Features Missing in the US

[DavidNJ]

I know of three:

1) Electronically controlled pneumatic suspension with auto-leveling.

2) Ventilated front passenger seat.

3) Front parking camera.

Has anyone tried a Genesis with these features?

http://www.hyundai-genesis.com/

 

[Sayantsi]

I don't think so - we're all here in the US . I've tried them in other cars however, they are all nice features, but not necessary imo.

 

[dataguy]

We do have quite a few folks in Canada, as well as a few in Korea and Europe I think.

That link is the site for the Middle East variant of the Genesis. My guess is that finding someone who has driven such a relatively rare version of a fairly low volume car to begin with will be difficult.

 

[nearwater]

There are other features missing that include;
- Mozen media package(AV features + DMB television receiver, telematics system)
- Heated rear seats
- Rear center armrest with feature controls (motorized reclining rear seats, rear shade, radio controls)
- Motorized trunk

Dan

 

[danieltoye101@msn.com]

The Genesis in Korea also have blue mood lights along with the ceiling lights.

 

[dataguy]

- Mozen media package(AV features + DMB television receiver, telematics system)

This is what I was hoping to see introduced in the Equus and future Genesis. Mozen is roughly equivalent the telematics of OnStar and the voice and entertainment/information services of Sync. Unfortunately, this would require either rollout of a North American-based service or outsourcing it to someone who does offer one.

http://telematicsnews.info/2009/09/20/korea-hyundai-announces-new-sonata-with-mozen-telematics/

Lucky Koreans: faster broadband, TV tuners in cars, fancy telematics...

I would kill for an ATSC TV tuner in the Genesis, even though the display isn't capable of HDTV resolutions.

 

[ajls09873]

If They offers evey good things as standard, the price should be double like Korean market model.
The north american genesis have good engine, 4.6L tau engine with affordable price.

 

[ajls09873]

Check Worldwide makert price.

As i know, China, Korea, Middle east model of genesis price double ~ triple than north america model.

Acutally, As i know, Hyundai sell Genesis as 'deficit price' at north america market.

With high-end lexicon audio, import tax of US, It is impossible sell genesis sedan by current price(full loaded invoice price 37,000$).

Hyundai know this, so they sell this car as halo model. (eg. customer think "if hyundai can build this Genesis, I can believe their sonata, elantra, accent, too") it is not profitable model.

That is the reason why hyundai sell very few genesis in north america. They will limit equus sales, too.

 

[Mark_888]

Check Worldwide makert price.

As i know, China, Korea, Middle east model of genesis price double ~ triple than north america model.

Acutally, As i know, Hyundai sell Genesis as 'deficit price' at north america market.

With high-end lexicon audio, import tax of US, It is impossible sell genesis sedan by current price(full loaded invoice price 37,000$).

Hyundai know this, so they sell this car as halo model. (eg. customer think "if hyundai can build this Genesis, I can believe their sonata, elantra, accent, too") it is not profitable model.

That is the reason why hyundai sell very few genesis in north america. They will limit equus sales, too.

I agree. They also don't want to mess up their CAFE numbers in the US, which right now are the best in the industry.

 

[nearwater]

I agree that the price in US is significantly lower than Korea, and some Koreans weren't too happy about this.
What they basically thought was that Hyundai is overcharging domestic customers in order to sell it at a lower price in the US.

IMO, however, I think the current US price isn't too out of range considering the fact that they remove some luxury options/features off of the US spec cars.

Dan

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[DavidNJ]

The direct competition would be an Infiniti M35, Lexus GS350, which in RWD is not that much more expensive. The Audi A6 could be in that range, as well as the Acura RL. However the first is a bit more practical (fold down rear seat, etc.) and AWD or FWD, the second is AWD and feels small and cramped. All of these cars are around $50k, usually with both front seats ventilated and have luxury car dealer sales and service environment.

Note: our MB dealer recently started charging extra for the wash and loaner car. a fixed $50, $75, or $100 depending on the service.

 

[SunnySD]

Come on now. No vented passenger seat? That's like seeing someone with mismatched socks. What's up with that? What's the cost savings?

 

[DavidNJ]

Savings was probably $100 per car. Also stocking of components. It remains to be seen what the 2011 model has done with this and if it has the Sync interface. The Ford exclusive is over, Kia already launched UVO, so the Genesis may be the launch for Hyundai. The question then would be if the Sonata gets it before the Equus comes out or the Genesis doesn't until after the Equus comes out.

There are a lots of suspension threads on the Genesis. Part may be because the electronic pneumatic was designed as the primary highend suspension for this car and it isn't available.

P.S.
I don't think they lose money on this car. By and large it is the size and content of the Nissan G37, which sells for about the same price. The Nissan has just about every feature except for the sonar park sensors and ventilate 'seat'.

 

[dataguy]

Given that they spent a lot of money on developing the Tau, with limited applications given their new focus on 4-cyl. GDI (Theta-II and derivatives), you gotta figure that on a per-vehicle basis, they're losing money on the engine alone.

On a piecemeal basis, the individual components may not be that costly, but it's clear they add up. For example, it probably wouldn't have cost that much more to put in a better headliner, acoustic laminated glass all around, a second cooled seat, heated rear seats, trunk speaker cover on the 3.8's, etc. But that starts to add up. Considering they originally said that the Genesis would start well under $30K but it didn't, I think it was more of stripping stuff out to come close to the price target rather than conscious decisions on what to include.

 

[DavidNJ]

The V8 sells for a $1500 premium and no way does it cost that much more to make. Both engines are fairly vanilla designs, probably costing $1500 and $2500 each. Six cylinder engines of similar spec are in lots of $20k cars. The v-8 is basically the same with 2 extra cylinders. Remember, the manufacturer's original cost is much lower than the replacement part bought in quantities of 1, 6, or 8. Ask for 16 intake valves you may pay $30 each. Ask fo 50,000 that price is probably $5 or $10.

The landed price of a MSRP $40k Genesis is probably under $25k, maybe under $20k. The cost of manufacture probably in the $16-20k range.

 

[Mark_888]

I agree that the price in US is significantly lower than Korea, and some Koreans weren't too happy about this.
What they basically thought was that Hyundai is overcharging domestic customers in order to sell it at a lower price in the US.

IMO, however, I think the current US price isn't too out of range considering the fact that they remove some luxury options/features off of the US spec cars.

Dan

Prices for domestic-made products have always been higher in Japan and Korea. Those governments allow higher prices to encourage industries to develop their products to the point where they can export large quantities, thereby creating jobs at home. It works in these countries because very few people (because of social pressure) will buy foreign products, because of import duties on foreign products, and local governments don't do much to discourage monopolies. This applies to cars, electronics, etc. Almost always cheaper in the US for same item.

The above notwithstanding, I do think Hyundai was willing to invest a lot of money in the Genesis/Equus even if they did not make it back anytime soon. It is a long term investment and helps to build the credibility of the Hyundai brand.

The other thing to remember is that there are two types of cost:
- R&D and Tooling Costs
- Unit cost to build one additional car

I don't think they are losing money on the unit cost, but they obviously are not going to recover R&D/tooling costs for Genesis anytime soon strictly on Genesis sales, but it does help to boost the entire Hyundai line in the eyes of the consumer and set the stage long term for entry into the luxury market.

 

[ajls09873]

I think they losing money on the unit cost at north america market.
North america genesis sedan price is maybe 'deficit' to Hyundai.
Perhaps, They still not returned their Genesis R&D cost, Tau engine R&D cost by genesis sales.

Yes, they using genesis as halo model. (customer think, 'hyundai can build this, i can trust their other models, too')it does help to boost the entire Hyundai line up and brand image.

 

[nearwater]

Prices for domestic-made products have always been higher in Japan and Korea. Those governments allow higher prices to encourage industries to develop their products to the point where they can export large quantities, thereby creating jobs at home. It works in these countries because very few people (because of social pressure) will buy foreign products, because of import duties on foreign products, and local governments don't do much to discourage monopolies. This applies to cars, electronics, etc. Almost always cheaper in the US for same item.

The above notwithstanding, I do think Hyundai was willing to invest a lot of money in the Genesis/Equus even if they did not make it back anytime soon. It is a long term investment and helps to build the credibility of the Hyundai brand.

The other thing to remember is that there are two types of cost:
- R&D and Tooling Costs
- Unit cost to build one additional car

I don't think they are losing money on the unit cost, but they obviously are not going to recover R&D/tooling costs for Genesis anytime soon strictly on Genesis sales, but it does help to boost the entire Hyundai line in the eyes of the consumer and set the stage long term for entry into the luxury market.

Very well said.

Dan

 

[lgbalch]

... acoustic laminated glass all around...

Which window are not acoustic laminated glass?

 

[jkohn]

By and large it is the size and content of the Nissan G37, which sells for about the same price.

No, the G37 is quite a bit smaller, whether you want to measure exterior dimensions, passenger space, cargo space, whatever. The M is much closer is size/specs, although still a little less passenger room I think.

It remains to be seen what the 2011 model has done with this and if it has the Sync interface. The Ford exclusive is over, Kia already launched UVO, so the Genesis may be the launch for Hyundai.

I would be very surprised if Sync makes it into the 2011 Genesis, it's not like that's a small "drop-in" change, it would be a big departure from the DIS and I wouldn't expect that kind of change until the next major model revision, especially on a low-volume model like the Genesis. Maybe they could swap Sync for the non-tech Nav/Bluetooth that doesn't have DIS, but that might be undercutting the tech package since Sync is probably preferable to DIS for most folks.