Finally, hyundai is pushing the 3.3L turbo. share your comments!

[GenesisCaptain]

Does anyone have a link to information about the electronic suspension in the V8 models '12-'14?

There was no electronic suspension in any 1st generation Genesis offering in the U.S. market.

 

[jimb100]

Not sure I understand. There are several examples (MB, BMW) where the newer blown engines are faster, lighter and more economical.

You forgot to mention "a lot more expensive".

There are always technologies that would make the Genesis faster, lighter and more economical. But then it wouldn't be a $50k car and affordable for many people.

 

[jimb100]

No. This thread is specifically asking about a proposed engine that may happen in the future. Speculation and claims are EXACTLY what this is about.

So you're saying its a waste of time? Because what's the point.

Saying, "wow, it will be great when we get that 500 HP blown v6 in the Genesis". As long as its cheaper, weighs less, produces more HP and is durable and reliable.

I didn't realize this thread was just a wish list. Add "world peace, freedom from disease and the end of poverty" and make your list complete.

 

[ksoze]

You forgot to mention "a lot more expensive".
There are always technologies that would make the Genesis faster, lighter and more economical. But then it wouldn't be a $50k car and affordable for many people.

I thought we were talking engines here - this thread has more twists and turns than Owen Wilson's nose.

You posed a question about other blown engines which can compete with the 5.0 V8. I gave you several examples. The price of those cars are not the focus - those engines were not "a lot more expensive", the price of the car stayed relative with the transition from NA. There is not proof that a blown engine will make the Hyundai more expensive - it did not on the competitors who have all made the turn years ago.

 

[ferrethouse]

So you're saying its a waste of time? Because what's the point.

Saying, "wow, it will be great when we get that 500 HP blown v6 in the Genesis". As long as its cheaper, weighs less, produces more HP and is durable and reliable.

I didn't realize this thread was just a wish list. Add "world peace, freedom from disease and the end of poverty" and make your list complete.

It is a discussion about the prospect of adding a turbo to a future genesis.

Agitators like you are the reason I hate forums. I thought I would give this one a try but clearly it isn't worth it. Your sarcastic posts and "know it all" attitude aren't worth my energy. I thought Genesis owners would be a mature and classy group (and for the most part they are) but I don't have time for this crap. You behave like this in virtually every thread.

 

[Monolith2001]

You forgot to mention "a lot more expensive".

There are always technologies that would make the Genesis faster, lighter and more economical. But then it wouldn't be a $50k car and affordable for many people.

Almost all of that expense is stuff other than the turbos and technology. The nameplates alone command a sizeable chunk and the much higher costs to actually manufacture them since most of them have high part content from Germany whereas our cars are mostly parts from Korea where parts manufacturing is a lot less.

 

[YEH]

^ The cost diff. is not as much as it once was - as labor costs have risen in Korea and the Won has risen in relation to other currencies (part of reason why GM has shifted production of certain models out of Korea to Spain).

Anyway, the gnashing of teeth about the gob'ment, struck me as being pretty funny.

Putting aside that higher fuel economy standards (along w/ the rise in oil production in the US and Canada, the Saudis no longer willing to cut production and lose marketshare, Americans driving fewer miles than they once did, the rise in alternative-fuel vehicles, slow-down of manufacturing in China, etc.) has played a part in the lower fuel prices we have seen recently, we have also seen automakers continually expanding the boundaries when it comes to HP and 0-60/quarter mile times.

These days, 500HP isn't anything special - not when we have the 707HP Hellcat and 1,500HP Koenisegg Regera

0-60 times under 4s has been done numerous times and now we're looking at a no. of cars which will be able to do it under 3s!

Heck, the typical midsize family sedan (w/ the top engine) nowadays has over 270 HP.

As for blown V6s, the new $400k Ford GT is powered by an FI V6 and not a V8.

Hyundai will keep making V8s, but we're probably going to see a smaller displacement (4.0?) blown V8 to replace the Tau.

 

[jimb100]

It is a discussion about the prospect of adding a turbo to a future genesis.

Agitators like you are the reason I hate forums. I thought I would give this one a try but clearly it isn't worth it. Your sarcastic posts and "know it all" attitude aren't worth my energy. I thought Genesis owners would be a mature and classy group (and for the most part they are) but I don't have time for this crap. You behave like this in virtually every thread.

And you are one of the reasons I hate forums.

"Someday Hyundai will put a turbo in a Genesis!"

Really? That's it? That's what this thread is about?

I thought Genesis owners were better at thinking things through. You clearly don't and I never see you add any well thought through idea to a conversation.

 

[dareaction]

And you are one of the reasons I hate forums.

"Someday Hyundai will put a turbo in a Genesis!"

Really? That's it? That's what this thread is about?

I thought Genesis owners were better at thinking things through. You clearly don't and I never see you add any well thought through idea to a conversation.

It's not some day it will be either the 2016 model year or the 2017 model year as well as the Genesis coupe. The engine will be officially revealed with the introduction of the next Genesis Coupe.

 

[CanukV6]

And you are one of the reasons I hate forums.

"Someday Hyundai will put a turbo in a Genesis!"

Really? That's it? That's what this thread is about?

I thought Genesis owners were better at thinking things through. You clearly don't and I never see you add any well thought through idea to a conversation.

The title of this thread is "Re: Finally, hyundai is pushing the 3.3L turbo. share your comments!", so yes, That IS what this thread is all about.

There has been plenty of reasoned comments on the subject, both in favour and against the prospect of a turbocharged engine in the Genesis. Your input however has been mostly to ridicule other posters and to try and lower the discussion into a slanging match. Well done, you appear to have succeeded .

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[amartz]

It may be slightly off-topic, but I'd be interested to see performance numbers for the difference between two identical V8s, one with the vaunted electronic suspension, and one with a more traditional suspension. It's my understanding the electronic suspension controls the valving in the shocks, no? Sounds good, but I'd like to see what it really buys you, real world.

 

[CanukV6]

It may be slightly off-topic, but I'd be interested to see performance numbers for the difference between two identical V8s, one with the vaunted electronic suspension, and one with a more traditional suspension. It's my understanding the electronic suspension controls the valving in the shocks, no? Sounds good, but I'd like to see what it really buys you, real world.

The "electronic suspension" will change the ride stiffness and influence the handling. It has zero affect on performance, if you discount the added weight of all the additional components required.

 

[amartz]

The "electronic suspension" will change the ride stiffness and influence the handling. It has zero affect on performance

If it "influences the handling", then it has an effect on performance. I was just wondering how much, and is it worth it?

 

[CanukV6]

If you measure 'performance' by Lap Times on a circuit, then yes maybe the electronic suspension might provide a slight advantage. The firmest setting on the Genesis is still not exactly race-car-stiff, so the difference is very little. The real advantage is in adjusting the ride comfort to suit different tastes. In terms of acceleration there is if anything a very (very) slight disadvantage due to the additional weight. And yes, this is "off topic", even though it has been mentioned in this thread previously.

 

[dareaction]

I thought the reason for the adjustable suspension was to provide a higher level of luxury by minimizing road impact harshness like GMs magnetic ride suspension or Mercedes-Benz magic ride suspension

 

[CanukV6]

I thought the reason for the adjustable suspension was to provide a higher level of luxury by minimizing road impact harshness like GMs magnetic ride suspension or Mercedes-Benz magic ride suspension

Isn't that what I said?
"The real advantage is in adjusting the ride comfort to suit different tastes."

 

[dareaction]

Isn't that what I said?
"The real advantage is in adjusting the ride comfort to suit different tastes."

Adjusting ride comfort sounds like switching the suspension setting to comfort normal or sport. I was referring to the suspension actively changing as it comes in contact with bumps and other road irregularities canceling out the harshness and leaving the cabin serene.

 

[CanukV6]

The Hyundai CDC (Continuous Damping Control) is an active system that uses sensors to try and maintain a smooth even ride regardless of road surface conditions. I had thought that there was also a manual 'ride selector', but I don't find any reference to it, so maybe there isn't, unless it is controlled through the Normal & Sport settings.

 

[Sal Collaziano]

Would anyone prefer that this topic get split into two separate discussions? It can easily be done...

 

[greekgeek]

The Hyundai CDC (Continuous Damping Control) is an active system that uses sensors to try and maintain a smooth even ride regardless of road surface conditions. I had thought that there was also a manual 'ride selector', but I don't find any reference to it, so maybe there isn't, unless it is controlled through the Normal & Sport settings.

It does change the suspension when going to Sport mode.