G70 US Availability?

[Mark_888]

I don't have any kids so the G80 is larger than what I am use to. I had a BMW 540, but my 335 is now the same size as all models have growth creep with each new generation.

I consider the G70 to be luxurious. I want all the tech but not the sport package as I previously described and I can't get that with the dynamic. If I look at the 2.0 Prestige then I get all the tech but then have to live with high performance staggered tires, (which I don't want to deal with), and no brembo breaks. An odd combination with no 3.3t.

My G70 preference:

A 3.3t Dynamic with HUD and the surround view camera systems and change the 18" rims to nice non black wheels. A simple fix to meet my needs.

I like the 10 spoke 19" wheels but don't want the staggered sizes and don't want the Michelin Pilot Sport 4 tires as these are really track tires and will never get up to their proper handling temperature with day to day driving. They are designed to work within a much higher temperature range than what is required for the street. So, again, no real benefit unless you track the car.

I can see your point of view, but it is fairly common for automakers (and others) to offer more features on higher priced models, and the higher priced models tend to be larger.

I personally am tall enough to prefer a G80 size car even when I am the only occupant 90% of the time, but I know not everyone else needs a car that size. A larger car is occasionally very convenient, since I can get a decent amount of stuff in a G80 size car that wouldn't fit in the G70, either in the back seat or trunk.

My strong preference is to buy a car with no sunroof, for reasons of headroom and not wanting to deal with typical sunroof problems, but it is very hard to find one without a sunroof these days on an otherwise well-equipped car.

 

[Mark_888]

We don't expect genesis to react over night, but giving our feedback maybe helpful or not That's for genesis to decide. Changing wheels and tires may be easy for the buyer, but is much easier for genesis if it means more sales. I personally would not buy anything I don't like and just suck it up. I am still ok with the car I own until I find what I want.

For some reason, many automakers have no taste when it comes to wheels. Even when they do hit on a great looking OEM wheel, they will completely change it in two years, just because it is time for minor refresh, and the new wheels are usually a change for the worst.

 

[EdP]

For some reason, many automakers have no taste when it comes to wheels. Even when they do hit on a great looking OEM wheel, they will completely change it in two years, just because it is time for minor refresh, and the new wheels are usually a change for the worst.

Things have not changed much since the 1950's and ugly hubcaps.
I've liked my wheels well enough that I did not consider any aftermarket wheels but, not so much on the G70. I don't like th dark 5 spoke, at least from photos. I'd change them out.

 

[PD705]

There's some good feedback in this thread. Keep it up - I hear the guy who manages product strategy for Canada reads this forum and even posts occasionally.

 

[stingermang]

Things have not changed much since the 1950's and ugly hubcaps.
I've liked my wheels well enough that I did not consider any aftermarket wheels but, not so much on the G70. I don't like th dark 5 spoke, at least from photos. I'd change them out.

But...SPINNERS!

mang.

 

[danygenesis]

If the G70 comes to USA just like it came to Canada I would have to go with the Dynamic. I prefer not to have HUD and 360 camera than getting the car with those ugly wheels and tires.

 

[stingermang]

Despite anecdotes to the contrary, there's a whole research literature within the specialty area of behavioral economics documenting that more choices can actually lower consumer satisfaction. This isn't always true. People don't like not having any choices; but they're not necessarily happier -- and are sometimes unhappier -- when there are too many choices. The reason is, that with many choices, we become more aware of the things we're giving up with any one specific selection. I think that may apply here. We see the bright, 10-spoke wheels and we want them. But we see the equipment on the Sport model and we wish we had it. But we can't have both, at least not as a standard offering. We see the power rear window shades on the G80 and long for them. We see the lighter weight and better performance of the G70 relative to the G80 and don't want to give that up. But again, we can't have both. Our attention is directed more toward what we wouldn't get on a particular car because we're aware that it's available elsewhere.

This is a tough battle for a car maker to win. If they offer virtually every feature on an a la carte basis, the number of combinations of cars they'd be assembling is overwhelming. If they offer standard packages that bundle features together, people will wish for some of the features from bundle A combined with some of the features from bundle B, but not all of the features in either bundle. I'm in complete sympathy with that feeling. I, too, wish that exactly the combination of features I prefer was available as a standard bundle. But, alas, it isn't to be.

We can take the combination that gets us closest to our wishes and just suck it up. Or, we can go to the aftermarket suppliers and get some of the goodies that don't come standard (easier for wheels than something like a HUD). Or we can look elsewhere entirely to see if some other company offers a better match to our wish list. I suspect all three of these possibilities will play out as we find out exactly what version of the G70 will be available in the US. I don't think we'll have much luck persuading Genesis, at this stage, to change direction and come up with different combinations of options. That may well happen in later model years if they perceive high enough -- and consistent enough -- demand for some alternative combinations. But I don't think we'll see anything like that in the short term.

Dude. I like reading your posts. We process things similarly.

 

[Bamm1]

don't want the Michelin Pilot Sport 4 tires as these are really track tires and will never get up to their proper handling temperature with day to day driving. They are designed to work within a much higher temperature range than what is required for the street. So, again, no real benefit unless you track the car.

Huh?

I think you are confusing track brake pads with performance summer tires. Track brake pads don't get up to proper operating temperature on the street. As someone who has left track pads on his car after a weekend event and almost crashed into his neighbor's house. I can confirm they are just plain dangerous on the street.

Summer performance tires are more heat resistant on average (most have an A rating) and this does lend them to track use. But their other attributes are GREAT on the street (as long as its the right time of the year). No other type of tire can make an emergency stop in a shorter distance or execute an emergency evasion at a higher speed. This generally holds true on wet roadways as well.

I will concede the increased wear associated with the inability to rotate a staggered set up is bothersome. Manufactures cutting their treadwear warranties for a staggered set up is just icing on the cake.

I will likely go square for a winter set up. Having a winter wheel/tire set up also has the added benefit of extending the number of seasons the factory summers last.

 

[Electrode]

Huh?

I think you are confusing racing brake pads with performance summer tires. Racing brake pads don't get up to proper operating temperature on the street. As someone who has left track pads on his car after a weekend event and almost crashed into his neighbor's house. I can confirm they are just plain dangerous on the street.

Summer performance tires are more heat resistant on average (most have an A rating) and this does lend them to track use. But their other attributes are GREAT on the street (as long as its the right time of the year). No other tire can make an emergency stop in a shorter distance or execute an emergency evasion at a higher speed. This generally holds true on wet roadways as well.

I will concede the increased wear associated with the inability to rotate a staggered set up is bothersome. Manufactures cutting their treadwear warranties for a staggered set up is just icing on the cake.

I will likely go square for a winter set up. This has the nice benefit of extending the number of seasons the factory summers last.

That's a good argument for low profile summers besides just looking good. There is some reason for them.

But, I had staggered ultra low profile run flat all seasons on a BMW and they were harsh and noisy. Will there be a similar experience with the G70 over the 18s or am I overthinking this?

A spare set of higher profile winter tires and wheels would help in the winter. Winter potholes eat up low profile tires and wheels around here.

 

[Stephen5242]

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mang.

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[Bamm1]

That's a good argument for low profile summers besides just looking good. There is some reason for them.

But, I had staggered ultra low profile run flat all seasons on a BMW and they were harsh and noisy. Will there be a similar experience with the G70 over the 18s or am I overthinking this?

A spare set of higher profile winter tires and wheels would help in the winter. Winter potholes eat up low profile tires and wheels around here.

Lower profile can lead to a harsher ride, no question. But in my experience the run flat attribute of your former set up is the primary root cause for the brutal ride. Noise is very tire make and model dependant. With some huge side walled SUV tires making normal conversations all but impossible at highway speeds.

More sidewall for those "less than smooth" cold weather roadways is another important winter wheel/tire benefit.

 

[Stephen5242]

Huh?

I think you are confusing track brake pads with performance summer tires.....

Summer performance tires are more heat resistant on average (most have an A rating) and this does lend them to track use. But their other attributes are GREAT on the street (as long as its the right time of the year). No other type of tire can make an emergency stop in a shorter distance or execute an emergency evasion at a higher speed. This generally holds true on wet roadways as well...

Perhaps I am, but the Michelin Pilot Sport 4 tires can operate at a much higher temperature than say an all season tire and other very good summer tires. Again very good for a track tire and should work well in the summer on the street. For some of us though, such a tire under normal day to day driving is over kill and does usually provide a less forgiving ride. I know, I know, one could say that the 3.3t engine, the brembo brakes etc. are all overkill. We all have our preferences.

 

[Electrode]

Lower profile can lead to a harsher ride, no question. But in my experience the run flat attribute of your former set up is the primary root cause for the brutal ride. Noise is very tire make and model dependant. With some huge side walled SUV tires making normal conversations all but impossible at highway speeds.

More sidewall for those "less than smooth" cold weather roadways is another important winter wheel/tire benefit.

Thanks for the insight. I can't wait for the test drive and will keep an open mind.

I used to think summer/ winter tire setups were unnecessary with all seasons & AWD, but that is so wrong. Trying to panic stop in snow with even half worn all seasons is frightening.

 

[Bamm1]

Perhaps I am, but the Michelin Pilot Sport 4 tires can operate at a much higher temperature than say an all season tire and other very good summer tires. Again very good for a track tire and should work well in the summer on the street. For some of us though, such a tire under normal day to day driving is over kill and does not usually provide a less forgiving ride. I know, I know, one could say that the 3.3t engine, the brembo brakes etc. are all overkill. We all have our preferences.

All season tires have to stay pliable at temperatures below 40 degrees F. As a result, the heat a summer tire can handle will turn an AS compound to mush.

I am not sure what you mean by "other very good summer tires". All max performance summer tires can handle similar amounts of heat. Why move down to a cheaper high performance summer tire? All of the negatives (harsher ride, shorter treadlife, etc.) will still be present but turn in, braking distance, max grip, etc. will all be worse.

Genesis had Biermann tuning the heck out of the G70's chassis. Throw on some higher profile smooth riding grand touring tires and it is all for not.

Without the proper tires to put the power to the ground the Brembos, 3.3T, etc. may no longer be overkill as the limit of "lesser" tires will be reached long before any of those.

 

[PD705]

Perhaps I am, but the Michelin Pilot Sport 4 tires can operate at a much higher temperature than say an all season tire and other very good summer tires. Again very good for a track tire and should work well in the summer on the street. For some of us though, such a tire under normal day to day driving is over kill and does usually provide a less forgiving ride. I know, I know, one could say that the 3.3t engine, the brembo brakes etc. are all overkill. We all have our preferences.

The Pilot Sport 4 is a standard spec summer tire, just a very good one. Its basic operating parameters are no different than any number of other mainstream high-performance summer tires. I believe you're mistaking it for the Pilot Sport 4 S, which is a stickier version usually offered on much higher-performance cars, or the Pilot Sport Cup which is more of a track tire.

 

[Electrode]

The Pilot Sport 4 is a standard spec summer tire, just a very good one. Its basic operating parameters are no different than any number of other mainstream high-performance summer tires. I believe you're mistaking it for the Pilot Sport 4 S, which is a stickier version usually offered on much higher-performance cars, or the Pilot Sport Cup which is more of a track tire.

Oh, good to know! I thought it was the S version also, which doesn't make much sense for this car.

 

[Bamm1]

The Pilot Sport 4 is a standard spec summer tire, just a very good one. Its basic operating parameters are no different than any number of other mainstream high-performance summer tires. I believe you're mistaking it for the Pilot Sport 4 S, which is a stickier version usually offered on much higher-performance cars, or the Pilot Sport Cup which is more of a track tire.

The Pilot Sport 4 is a tire mostly sold in Europe (with some OEM applications, like Genesis). Due to this fact one will find that the 4S is actually cheaper than the 4 when it comes time for tire replacement.

The 4S is an evolution of the Super Sport. Which is considered by many the greatest street summer tire ever made. Most believe the 4S now holds this mantle.

The 4S was designed for improved dry/wet braking, lap times and rolling resistance (over the PSS). Last time I checked improved rolling resistance was not a key selection parameter for tires on ultra high performance cars. The fact that this was an area of improvement means the 4S was meant to have a very broad application to many mainstream models that come in higher performance variants. It also has class leading treadware for a tire in this category.

The 4 was likely selected by G70 as it was the tire that Hyundai/Kia was able to get the best price for when equipping Stingers and G70's around the world. It wasn't that the 4S had a performance envelope that was too high for the G70.

Just as a frame of reference, summer performance tires can improve a lot more performance metrics than one would think at first glance. So before someone tosses some all season tires on their G70 Sport for year round use, here is some food for though.

Motortrend tested two almost identical (same weight etc.) 2.0T Lincoln MKZ's a number of years back.

When Michelin PSS's were added to the equation, there was a big improvement in "all around" performance:

• 0-60 improved by 0.6 sec
• 1/4 mile improved by 0.5 sec, trapping 1 mph faster
• Braking distance decreased by 10 feet
• Figure 8 improved by 0.8 sec
• Skidpad improved by 0.06 g's

So all of those Genesis "buzz" performance metrics like 0-60 in 4.5 sec could be out the window if one goes too far outside of the factory chosen tire attributes.

 

[Stephen5242]

PD705 & Bamm1

Thanks for the additional info on the Michelin Pilot Spot 4 tires. It makes me much more comfortable with them as a standard tire.

When I searched for them on the Canadian Michelin site the 4S is the only one showing.

 

[PD705]

PD705 & Bamm1

Thanks for the additional info on the Michelin Pilot Spot 4 tires. It makes me much more comfortable with them as a standard tire.

When I searched for them on the Canadian Michelin site the 4S is the only one showing.

The reason is likely that they can’t get stock. The PS4 is extremely popular on the OEM side and Michelin is having trouble keeping up.

 

[Stephen5242]

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A spare set of higher profile winter tires and wheels would help in the winter. Winter potholes eat up low profile tires and wheels around here.

Here is the thread for the Canadian available 18" winter wheels from Genesis Canada.

Winter wheel & tire packages? Thread

Genesis Winter Wheels on G70