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[Mcc]

So the freight charges should be hidden...rather incorporated...into operating expenses for the dealer to make money. And they DO make money.

Hidden or incorporated the buyer is going to pay for it in the end, aren’t they? I think it is just industry standard. Are there any brands that don’t show a destination fee/

 

[Beefer]

Hidden or incorporated the buyer is going to pay for it in the end, aren’t they? I think it is just industry standard. Are there any brands that don’t show a destination fee/

I know...it just sucks. f$%k that fee...there’s another $2k of other fees...document this...accuisition that...brutal.

Damn I love the Canadian way. Just think the nightmare it would take for this country to adapt a direct to consumer philosophy. Impossible

 

[TurtleBoy]

I know...it just sucks. f$%k that fee...there’s another $2k of other fees...document this...accuisition that...brutal.

Damn I love the Canadian way. Just think the nightmare it would take for this country to adapt a direct to consumer philosophy. Impossible

One could argue it is the US way that is more consumer friendly as everything is listed. . I'm sure there a a number of different fees that go into the one price in Canada. The no haggle price was tried here and failed. By the end the dealers were giving outrageous values for trade-ins because they couldn't adjust the price to be competitive,

 

[Stevendom1987]

Which I love...Audi has a gray like that...and would buy it in a heartbeat. I like different.

Here are some pictures I took 3 hours ago at Genesis North Plainfield. I saw all colors but Black Forest Green. First time seeing Siberian Ice and it becomes my first choice.

I agree with this. But getting cars to a dealer so they can sell and make money is on them. Of course everyone needs to be paid.

But the consumer should not pay that...dealer expense to make money. Just like them paying the hydro bill.

So the freight charges should be hidden...rather incorporated...into operating expenses for the dealer to make money. And they DO make money.

Now...if a dealer gets a car from another for a consumer...I think that should be on the invoice.

This is what I agree with. It doesn't cost dealers one thousand dollars PER car to drive the 40 miles (in the case of the dealership I was referring to) to the dealership. If that were the case the dealerships would own their own transportation companies. Especially because often one truck brings 6-10 cars at a time.

The charge has been waived with every car I have purchased after limited negotiation and often the first thing that goes because the markup on the fee is egregious and why I referred to it as bogus.

Whoever transports car for a living deserves every penny they make, but those that own dealerships thrive in their negotiation model that takes advantage of those that either don't like, or aren't good at, negotiation.

Car sales should be like purchasing any other item at a store. I say this even though I prefer the current model since I tend to do well because I am patient, put in the time to gather information I can use to my advantage, and am polite, but not shy or reserved by any means either, and have been trained in sales when I graduated college so I know the majority of their tactics.

Bottom line is car sales shouldnt depend on how close to the end of month it is, whether you're financing with the dealership, whether you purchase an added warranty, how much money they are giving you for your trade in, how the economy is doing, etc. they should sell them at a predetermined mark up and if they do decide to offer discounts, they should do it publicly on a first come first serve basis.

But hey, we live in a capitalistic society and that's just how the car market is and always has been. And it's unfortunate because the industry has many negative connotations to it that are generalizations. I've met some extremely bright and honest men and women that just enjoy knowing everything there is to know about the cars they sell and are the farthest thing from dishonest or immoral car salesmen.

 

[Mcc]

One could argue it is the US way that is more consumer friendly as everything is listed. . I'm sure there a a number of different fees that go into the one price in Canada. The no haggle price was tried here and failed. By the end the dealers were giving outrageous values for trade-ins because they couldn't adjust the price to be competitive,

So what is secret for Canada? Why does it work there and it can’t seem to work in the US?

 

[Beefer]

This is what I agree with. It doesn't cost dealers one thousand dollars PER car to drive the 40 miles (in the case of the dealership I was referring to) to the dealership. If that were the case the dealerships would own their own transportation companies. Especially because often one truck brings 6-10 cars at a time.

The charge has been waived with every car I have purchased after limited negotiation and often the first thing that goes because the markup on the fee is egregious and why I referred to it as bogus.

Whoever transports car for a living deserves every penny they make, but those that own dealerships thrive in their negotiation model that takes advantage of those that either don't like, or aren't good at, negotiation.

Car sales should be like purchasing any other item at a store. I say this even though I prefer the current model since I tend to do well because I am patient, put in the time to gather information I can use to my advantage, and am polite, but not shy or reserved by any means either, and have been trained in sales when I graduated college so I know the majority of their tactics.

Bottom line is car sales shouldnt depend on how close to the end of month it is, whether you're financing with the dealership, whether you purchase an added warranty, how much money they are giving you for your trade in, how the economy is doing, etc. they should sell them at a predetermined mark up and if they do decide to offer discounts, they should do it publicly on a first come first serve basis.

But hey, we live in a capitalistic society and that's just how the car market is and always has been. And it's unfortunate because the industry has many negative connotations to it that are generalizations. I've met some extremely bright and honest men and women that just enjoy knowing everything there is to know about the cars they sell and are the farthest thing from dishonest or immoral car salesmen.

Very intelligent post.

 

[Beefer]

So what is secret for Canada? Why does it work there and it can’t seem to work in the US?

Ancient old State laws driven by lobbyists and greed. Simply look at the crap Tesla and Genesis have gone through just to sell a new brand on a State to State level. No national programs.

Canada has none of that BS. You can buy a car online.

 

[Reave]

Those Siberian pics look good.
Semi unrelated but I noticed the 2019 Elantra is in one of those pics. The online configurator for the refreshed Elantra is not even online yet and the cars are already at dealers. What a coincidence... @Beefer.

 

[JayceM]

Those Siberian pics look good.
Semi unrelated but I noticed the 2019 Elantra is in one of those pics. The online configurator for the refreshed Elantra is not even online yet and the cars are already at dealers. What a coincidence... @Beefer.

Maybe this is just the way they do business lol.

 

[TurtleBoy]

So what is secret for Canada? Why does it work there and it can’t seem to work in the US?

In addition to laws, regulations etc. it is a different history and culture. We are used to shopping around and trying to get the best deal we can on everything. I'm all for not listing the fees and just having one starting price and then going from there. It would be impossible, or practically impossible, to legislate that all car companies must sell for one price and not haggle. If that doesn't happen then you will need to rely on all car companies and dealers to agree to that, never will happen.

I actually don't know about the Canadian car industry, I was under the impression that there is some negotiations that can be done on some brands. Beefer - you are from Canada, what is the details on that?

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[Beefer]

In addition to laws, regulations etc. it is a different history and culture. We are used to shopping around and trying to get the best deal we can on everything. I'm all for not listing the fees and just having one starting price and then going from there. It would be impossible, or practically impossible, to legislate that all car companies must sell for one price and not haggle. If that doesn't happen then you will need to rely on all car companies and dealers to agree to that, never will happen.

I actually don't know about the Canadian car industry, I was under the impression that there is some negotiations that can be done on some brands. Beefer - you are from Canada, what is the details on that?

Oh absolutely...haggle away. Genesis is the first brand to adopt the online purchase experience. No haggling...but respectable pricing. And...it was not hard for them to do.

But walk into dealers and haggle like here. Some have fixed pricing.

But my main point was that a new brand can come along with no issues. They won’t get “blocked”.

And as I said prior...you can sell online. No brick and mortar required (up front). You still need to service, etc.

Any Canadians correct me please. Been a while since I’ve moved south.

 

[danygenesis]

Add to this the Infamous " dealer fee" that in Florida is as high as $999 (highest in the country) That's LEGAL BURGLARY.

 

[TurtleBoy]

Oh absolutely...haggle away. Genesis is the first brand to adopt the online purchase experience. No haggling...but respectable pricing. And...it was not hard for them to do.

But walk into dealers a haggle like here. Some have fixed pricing.

But my main point was that a new brand can come along with now issues. They won’t get “blocked”.

And as I said prior...you can sell online. No brick and mortar required (up front). You still need to service, etc.

Any Canadians correct me please. Been a while since I’ve moved south.

Okay thanks, that makes sense. I was just reading an article in the Toronto Star from Feb of this year in regards to how to negotiate for a car so I guess you can.

MCC - to answer your question, we don't know if it will work in Canada. It worked here for Saturn for a number of years until the demand slumped and the dealers started competing with each other to get the business. As far as the Genesis Canadian model, I was under the impression that there aren't any dealers per se and the outlets are owned/funded/sponsored by Genesis so that eliminates the dealers competing against each other.

It is similar to Tesla I believe, it is a fixed price and the outlets are part of the company.

 

[Beefer]

Okay thanks, that makes sense. I was just reading an article in the Toronto Star from Feb of this year in regards to how to negotiate for a car so I guess you can.

MCC - to answer your question, we don't know if it will work in Canada. It works here for Saturn for a number of years until the demand slumped and the dealers started competing with each other to get the business. As far as the Genesis Canadian model, I was under the impression that there aren't any dealers per se and the outlets are owned/funded/sponsored by Genesis so that eliminates the dealers competing against each other.

It is similar to Tesla I believe, it is a fixed price and the outlets are part of the company.

The Boutique model exists...and will continue. They started with that...but there will be Genesis dealerships. They were smart starting small...as they build out B&M dealers.

They will continue with fixed pricing...but you can always haggle your trade in.

Again...fellow Canadians...correct me where I’m wrong.

 

[jdogg]

Are we all pretty much for sure stuck paying Msrp? I was hoping I could get that bogus $1000 delivery fee waived at the very least but every dealer I talk to is saying they aren't budging. I'm curious if I can the delivery fee waived when I'm seconds from closing the deal.

The Destination/Delivery Fee on the window sticker is not an add-on from the dealer. It is a fee charged to the dealer by the manufacturer - every company does it.

It is the same for every dealer across the country (or distributor territory), whether you are across the street from the Hyundai plant in Alabama or the Tesla factory in California, the fee is averaged out across the country so there is not a price advantage to one dealer because they are closer to where the car is built.

If it's on the Monroney label itself, and not on an addendum label (dealer market adjustments, pin striping, paint protection, mud flaps, etc.) it is a factory deal and not a mark up item. The Monroney label law requires the shipping to be called out separately.

If it is on the buyers order paperwork, that's a dealer charge and that is where the negotiation happens.

(I see General Motors invoices fairly often and the're no markup for the dealers on the shipping there. GM does charge more for the pickups than the small cars for shipping.)

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[EdP]

This is what I agree with. It doesn't cost dealers one thousand dollars PER car to drive the 40 miles (in the case of the dealership I was referring to) to the dealership. If that were the case the dealerships would own their own transportation companies. Especially because often one truck brings 6-10 cars at a time.

The charge has been waived with every car I have purchased after limited negotiation and often the first thing that goes because the markup on the fee is egregious and why I referred to it as bogus.

You don't like to see them, yet you have used it to your advantage. Depends on how you play the game. I had a car ready for the junk yard. The dealer offered me $1500 for trade in. Really? I could have gotten $100 from the junk yard but I needed transportation to the dealer so I did the trade. No trade? There is a discount or they can waive the transportation cost or the dealer fee. They all do it so unless you can get everyone to stop, none will add to the sticker to cover it in the base price.

It a game. You seem to know how you play it. One thing you can be sure of, the dealer made money or you'd not be driving away with the car.

 

[Ed Okin]

Shit...really? Perhaps I need to see it prior to committing.

How would you describe it compared to white?

I have seen the SI on a G80. It is a beautiful color. The photo I took does not show how nice it is. The second photo is of the Stinger in the Ceramic Silver. The third photo is of a BMW 3 series. The bottom two are “shiny paint primer” with the BMW’s version more like a military vehicle.

 

[Stevendom1987]

I have seen the SI on a G80. It is a beautiful color. The photo I took does not show how nice it is. The second photo is of the Stinger in the Ceramic Silver. The third photo is of a BMW 3 series. The bottom two are “shiny paint primer” with the BMW’s version more like a military vehicle.View attachment 15822View attachment 15823View attachment 15824

Haha I like that my shiny paint primer is catching on. I personally love the BMW color and would love if the g70 offered it.

 

[Ed Okin]

Haha I like that my shiny paint primer is catching on. I personally love the BMW color and would love if the g70 offered it.

All three are unique colors in a world where silver, black, white and gray are so prevalent.

 

[Stevendom1987]

You don't like to see them, yet you have used it to your advantage. Depends on how you play the game. I had a car ready for the junk yard. The dealer offered me $1500 for trade in. Really? I could have gotten $100 from the junk yard but I needed transportation to the dealer so I did the trade. No trade? There is a discount or they can waive the transportation cost or the dealer fee. They all do it so unless you can get everyone to stop, none will add to the sticker to cover it in the base price.

It a game. You seem to know how you play it. One thing you can be sure of, the dealer made money or you'd not be driving away with the car.

So while this is generally true, I actually have a good friend who got a 56K fully loaded Ford SUV a month or two ago for 40K and it was sold at a loss for the dealership. Tedd Britt Ford in Fairfax VA.

One of the mechanics there is my childhood best friend and he explained that because that dealership is top 3 in the country in sales, Ford will actually give them 100K as a bonus to the dealership every quarter they stay top 3.

A couple months ago they were short about 10 car sales to retain the title of top 3 (or something of that nature), so they intentially took 5K+ losses on new car sales for the last few days of the month to make the quota that paid them the 100K bonus. Even if they lost 5K on 10 cars they're still ahead 50K for the bonus and retained the coveted title they wanted.

He also explained that sometimes they almost sell them at breakeven when they expect to service the car (he explained his dealership had a 93% service rate) because they expect to make the money on the back end with the car, even if it's only warranty work and not out of the customer's pocket.

Those arent common situations but are definitely ones where it is a win win for all parties involved.