Genesis 4.6 resale value!

[Poopsicle]

did you wake up on wrong side of ur rocker this morning sir, i sell cars and was giving you a reason on why you got what you got. you get on here and try to act like you bashing the car. for one thing especially if im paying straight CASH for a car im going to take long test drive before i drop that much money on anything, sounds like you missed that step in your buying process, dont get mad at the car be mad at yourself, your unfactual statements are minute compared to other owners.

Hey, respect your elders. He's 65 years old.

 

[STxGenesis]

Hey....good thing he made the mistake with the 40K Genesis instead of a 100K Mercedes....

 

[bishop666]

Bishop, I would really like to know, did you check the air pressure in the tires?
I'm not trying to be a jerk by asking, but I would really like to know if you honestly tried this???

For what it's worth, I bought an 08 Scion Xb for $17k, drove it a year and traded it in for $14,900 on my Genny.

Yes, the tire pressures were checked and varied in an attempt to effect some level of improvement but to no avail.

 

[bishop666]

Hey....good thing he made the mistake with the 40K Genesis instead of a 100K Mercedes....

I can honestly say that over the years I have owned almost every available luxury vehicle and have never been disappointed with the ride characteristics or my purchasing decision but that's not to say that they haven't exhibited problems of mechanical or other nature. However, with the exception of the Genesis, I have never felt the necessity to return a vehicle.

Alas, I have moved on, having written off the economic loss and relegated the experience to the back roads of my mind. Although the Genesis 4.6 is potentially a wonderful automobile with great future potential, I suspect that subsequent iterations will address the problems that I have encountered as well as those noted by other members of this forum. I for one, however, have neither the interest nor the patience to wait for such to occur, and have decided to replace it with a considerably more costly vehicle, one that I had initially considered but rejected in favor of frugality. Lesson learned!

Goodbye to all.

 

[VaiFan]

I call B.S.!
I am not blind to the fact that the Genesis is not without fault, but this particular story is all too easy to choke on.
I do not believe bishop666 is for real.
Just my opinion, but I'd venture to guess it's one shared.
I think the moderators should delete this guy and all posts by him.

 

[moose66]

Not sure if this has been asked or not . . . . . . . . . . But I'll ask anyway . . . . . . . . Why didn't you just sell the car yourself? Especially once you found out what was going to happen at the dealership. There is no way I would have bitten the bullet for that much. I would have slapped that car on Cars or Autotrader. There are plenty of people out there that would have been just thrilled to get a very gently pre-owned Genesis for less than sticker, even with the perceived "harsh ride". You would have almost certainly had some hits, which may have softened the hit you took to your wallet!

 

[Tufast]

Not sure if this has been asked or not . . . . . . . . . . But I'll ask anyway . . . . . . . . Why didn't you just sell the car yourself? Especially once you found out what was going to happen at the dealership. There is no way I would have bitten the bullet for that much. I would have slapped that car on Cars or Autotrader. There are plenty of people out there that would have been just thrilled to get a very gently pre-owned Genesis for less than sticker, even with the perceived "harsh ride". You would have almost certainly had some hits, which may have softened the hit you took to your wallet!

+1...................

 

[kbmuenkel]

Bishop - What dealer was this and where are they located? I may trade my V6 in for your "used" V8!

Really!

 

[santosonly]

I am not blaming the dealer for what is obviously an inherent aspect of the automobile's design but, rather, for not disclosing the existence of a difference in ride between the 3.8 and 4.6. This is a clear issue of non-disclosure, either by omission, commission or ignorance (on the part of salesperson) pertaining to the inherent differences between the two versions of the vehicle. Furthermore, the manufacturer's website does not seem to provide any information in this regard.
I hope this clears things up for you.

In all due respect, you would have known that if you test drove the V8.

Please understand that I mean no disrespect. I am just trying to put myself in your shoes and then determine if I would have been upset with the car or the dealer. Maybe I would have been disappointed that the car did not drive like I expected; that's fair. But I could not blame the manufacturer or the dealer for an omission of action on my part. Just my humble opinion.

At any rate, $9000.00 is enough to turn your stomach no matter what the situation is. I hope things are brighter in the future.

 

[CalvinHobbes]

New wheels and tires would have been much less expensive.

Buyer beware!

Where has personal responsibility gone.

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[Michael_S]

I have to agree with EdVoylesHyundai: I would never buy the vehicle without test driving the one I was actually going to purchase first.

I understand the car is gone already but for others in the same situation, I would recommend installing the 3.8 rear shocks and then maybe the springs as an attempt to fix that problem.

I had the porpoising problem in a first year 350Z and installing the Infiniti coupe rear shocks fixed it.

New wheels and tires would have been much less expensive.

Buyer beware!

Where has personal responsibility gone.

I don't think "personal responsibility" is the problem, just patience. I bet bishop666 has enough money floating around that a $9,000 expense is an annoyance, and not a serious problem. Thus, with all due respect, he gets angry and expresses his frustration in an internet discussion forum, but that is all he does.

Someone with more patience, or less money to burn, would have done what you and t_finan suggested. Replacing the 18 inch wheels with the 17 inch wheels on the V6 would help. If necessary, he could probably find 16 inch wheels and tires that fit too, and would be even softer for the ride (and probably cheaper). And if that didn't work, replace some or all of the suspension components with the ones from the V6. Problem solved - and for less than $9,000.

 

[sandy]

Hey, respect your elders. He's 65 years old.

Finally, something Poopsicle says I can agree with.

 

[bishop666]

Dear VaiFan (hope I'm close):

I had signed off on this topic as of last evening but out of curiosity decided to check back. I do not understand your obvious and blatant hostility, however, I assure you that the information that I have posted is absolutely gospel and not one single fact has been tampered with or embellished. I am totally baffled by your suspicions and would be interested in reading about the logic, or lack thereof, behind your impression.

By the way, there is no need to initiate an impeachment campaign as my departure from this site is imminent and self-initiated. BTW, Best of luck with your psychotherapy.

As for changing tires, wheels and altering the suspension, these are modifications that should not be necessary on a new vehicle. Furthermore, I would suspect that altering the suspension would adversely affect the warranty. At the risk of being repetitive, I must say once again that a V8 model was not available for test drive and the dealer did not anticipate the receipt of one within a reasonable time frame for demo purposes. As for the dollars lost, no one enjoys burning money but fortunately, as others have suggested, it has not been responsible for any form of personal hardship; case-in-point, a brand new (2009) Lexus LS460 has replaced the empty space left by the Genesis' departure.
Ciao.

 

[ImInPA]

Sorry to hear about your disappointment. I cannot help but wonder what an amazing ride you could have had if you simply invested a fraction of what you lost into some suspension tuning modifications. In any event, it is only a car after all. I hope you find the vehicle that works for you.

 

[VaiFan]

Dear VaiFan (hope I'm close):
" I do not understand your obvious and blatant hostility.... BTW, Best of luck with your psychotherapy."

Sure, because I don't believe you, therefore I'm the hostile one. I think your comment speaks for itself.

I'm not going to get in a pissing match with somebody that has more money than good sense.

 

[YEH]

As for changing tires, wheels and altering the suspension, these are modifications that should not be necessary on a new vehicle.

Poor OEM tires may be one thing, but the size of the wheels would affect the ride (a 5 Series w/ 18" wheels has quite a bit harsher ride than one w/ 16" wheels).

As for the suspension, any mods would be unnecessary for those who like a firmer ride (conversely, those who test drove the 4.6 and bought the 3.8 w/o a test drive would likely be dissapointed on the opposite spectrum).

 

[moose66]

"a brand new (2009) Lexus LS460 has replaced the empty space left by the Genesis' departure.
Ciao."

Let's see . . . . . . . . . an 8 to 10 grand hit on an inadequate Genesis, and a 65-75 grand hit on a new LS . . . . . . that is the true definition of the "pursuit of perfection". And what was that issue with depreciation again?

 

[Mark_888]

This is an unfortunate situation all the way around. I am not placing blame, but this is part of the reason we have a policy that you cannot buy a car from us until you drive that car. People fight us on this all the time, saying things like, "I drove one at another dealer; I know what they drive like." I cannot, for the life of me, figure out why people do this. I would not even buy a pair of shoes without trying them on. Some people insist. What can you do?

I would have to disagree with that. I very recently purchased a 3.8 from your dealership, and they asked me if I wanted to drive it. I told them I had driven the exact same trim level (but different color) at a another dealer and did not need to drive it (I did start up the car and test out most of the functions, but did not ever put the car in drive). The salesman never expressed any objection about me not driving the specific car I purchased. I mentioned the same to the person who handled the financial transaction, and he never mentioned anything about such a policy at Ed Voyles Hyundai.

BTW, no two pair of shoes are exactly the same (assuming they are glued and/or stitched together).

 

[Mark_888]

I knew someone who purchased a Honda Accord in 1996 that was a demo. He decided to take it back 3 days later and it cost him $2000 (long story about why he did that). Keep in mind that the car was not even brand new. He originally paid about $17,000 for the demo.

In the case discussed in this thread, there was no arms-length transaction involved so one cannot say what the market price is for a used car one-day old. There are two issues. First, he bought at retail and traded it at wholesale. Second, it was probably clear the he didn't want to pursue any alternative disposition method besides returning to the dealer where purchased, so the dealer probably picked up on this and made a low-ball offer. Given that he was not exchanging for another Hyundai, the dealer probably felt no obligation to help him out.

As others have mentioned, in most states once the deal is done the car is "legally" a used car.

 

[DeMAN]

There is a post on one of the Genesis forum about the the tires being over inflated. It does hurt to check and doesn't cost you a thing.