Genesis coupe competing with sti,350z,evo,srt4

[slowboyy]

DO ANY OF YOU GUYS THINK THIS CAR WILL BE A COMPETITOR TO THE EVO,STI AND THE 350Z. FROM WHAT IM SEEING I TRUTHFULLY THINK IT IS IM A STI OWNER AND THE SAME HYPE BUILD AROUND THESE CARS IS BEING HYPED UP WITH THIS CAR EVERY TUNER MAG,IN EVERY CAR CONVERSATION,AND HAVE A HEAVY AFTERMARKET INDUSTRY BACKING THEM UP. JUST LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU GUYS THINK THANKS

 

[BigElm]

Hi slowboyy...

For the sake of easy reading can you please not type in all CAPS? It just makes it easier on the eyes... also no one would think you're screaming

To answer your questions... your question diverts the comparable to apples vs. oranges. Even the 370Z, is not a 2+2 like the Genesis coupe. It may have the tuner hype but you're comparing it to the wrong vehicles. If anything this vehicle is aimed at the G37 coupe, which costs alot more.

 

[slowboyy]

my fault for the caps i was in halfway in the topic and realized i was typing in caps. but i dont see why wont you compare this car to any of these car i posted, when comparing cars its a wide range of comparisons but lets not jump into this debate just yet. but the same criticism happen with the cobalt ss and look what happen a proven car, i almost guarantee hyundai know what there doing and is not spending big marketing dollars so it could be compared to a g37

 

[hokienutzz]

DO ANY OF YOU GUYS THINK THIS CAR WILL BE A COMPETITOR TO THE EVO,STI AND THE 350Z. FROM WHAT IM SEEING I TRUTHFULLY THINK IT IS IM A STI OWNER AND THE SAME HYPE BUILD AROUND THESE CARS IS BEING HYPED UP WITH THIS CAR EVERY TUNER MAG,IN EVERY CAR CONVERSATION,AND HAVE A HEAVY AFTERMARKET INDUSTRY BACKING THEM UP. JUST LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU GUYS THINK THANKS

The Ginny coupe will never be an STI...

but yes, they are hyping the tuner aspect pretty well for the coupe, just as they do for those other cars you mentioned. much more so than a G37 coupe, which is what it is compared to in its stock form.

Now when they release an AWD genesis wagon to compete with the upcoming legacy wagon I will be more interested...

 

[BigElm]

:lol: I'd love to see a Genesis wagon version to the Legacy. I know this car will make its presence known... but if you're going strictly on performance comparison, then it'll come down to how much are you willing to tune. I believe the turbo setup in the Gen Coupe is the same Mitsu found in the Evo and STI

 

[ConceptVBS]

According to a recent interview with the Hyundai USA CEO John Krafcik, they are looking into the viability of a 2 seater roadster based on the Genesis RWD platform. A sedan, a coupe and possibly a roadster. Good times. Also, a crossover, a la Fx35, is also being discussed internally.

 

[bkprodigy]

n/a 350z, FWD srt4 Yes.
Evo/Sti No.

 

[Gadfly]

DO ANY OF YOU GUYS THINK THIS CAR WILL BE A COMPETITOR TO THE EVO,STI AND THE 350Z. FROM WHAT IM SEEING I TRUTHFULLY THINK IT IS IM A STI OWNER AND THE SAME HYPE BUILD AROUND THESE CARS IS BEING HYPED UP WITH THIS CAR EVERY TUNER MAG,IN EVERY CAR CONVERSATION,AND HAVE A HEAVY AFTERMARKET INDUSTRY BACKING THEM UP. JUST LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU GUYS THINK THANKS

I disagree with most on the board....

I do not think the Genesis coupe is really a competitor to the G37/IS250/IS350/BMW 3/MB C class market. The Genesis is not being marketed to the same luxary sports coupe/sedan buyers... Now in terms of raw performance it might be close, or even better in some regaurds to the much more expensive brands products, but it is far from a Luxury market car; Unlike it's sedan brother, which is a direct competitor.

If you look at where the car is being marketed, priced, and performance it does look to be a direct competitor to the 350/370Z, Sti, Evo, WRX, and the soon to be launched 220SX, and the WRX coupe/Toyota AE86 (which will also have the 300hp Sti motor), G8, Mustang and the Camaro.

It may be a diffrent class, in that it is a coupe, not a sedan, but it is competing in the same market.

 

[grant]

I see there are alot of people that are interested in moving from the "evo/sti" market to the genesis. . not sure how much of a direct competitor it would be considering it is a two door . .

I feel it should hit home well with true car enthusiast and will take many different people that aren't happy with their present brand for one reason or another

 

[BigElm]

I know of alot of people who wish to have a 2 door coupe with the performance of an STI, EVO, etc. Problem is it's become scarse to find a coupe that's affordable and tuneable. Now that the Gen Coupe is coming, alot of people's wishes will be answered. It's really not a direct competitior but this will be the fruit to entice people to cross-shop; especially those who really don't need/want 4 doors.

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[Gadfly]

I know of alot of people who wish to have a 2 door coupe with the performance of an STI, EVO, etc. Problem is it's become scarse to find a coupe that's affordable and tuneable. Now that the Gen Coupe is coming, alot of people's wishes will be answered. It's really not a direct competitior but this will be the fruit to entice people to cross-shop; especially those who really don't need/want 4 doors.

I think you are right, I think the WRX/EVO market will take the biggest hit, I can't imagine Infinity will loose a lot of it's G37 sales...

 

[bluetwo]

Because of some of the reviews I've read some people would like us to think Mustang's and Camaro's would sell less due to the Genesis sales. Of course I realize this is as much an apple and oranges debate too but I see where the car magazines and such are going with that idea.

One can get a base model Mustang or Camaro with a V6 that makes roughly as much as the turbo 4 or a V8 model that is comparable to the V6 Genesis coupe. At least on paper anyway.

I doubt the Genesis coupes, tuned out turbo's or properly equipped V6's will have too much trouble beating either of the two around a road course type track, provided the Mustang is a live axle type and neither Camaro nor Mustang have any serious mods. Drag racing would be a different story without a lot of mods on the Genesis though.

 

[bkprodigy]

:lol: I'd love to see a Genesis wagon version to the Legacy. I know this car will make its presence known... but if you're going strictly on performance comparison, then it'll come down to how much are you willing to tune. I believe the turbo setup in the Gen Coupe is the same Mitsu found in the Evo and STI

you're wrong

 

[BigElm]

you're wrong

Really?

The base coupe ' s 2. 0 - liter all - aluminum turbo four - tube is the fruit of the equivalent Extensive Engineering Manufacturing Alliance that produced the 291 - horse, 2. 0 - liter turbo pressure the Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution and 300 - horse, 2. 4 - liter turbo that powers the Dodge Caliber SRT - 4. Turnout from the north / south - oriented tool will copy significantly less - 212 horses at 6000 rpm and 217 pound - feet of torque at 2500 rpm - to dole out buyers a motive to pick the V - 6. Hyundai did officiate some headroom for the tuning and drifting set; the blown and intercooled I - 4 bag a low 9. 3: 1 compression and blame catching boost up to 29 psi. Equal the V - 6, Hyundai is certifying the gadget to flow on regular or premium unleaded. Shield the later, duress jumps to 223.

http://pmmg1122.blogspot.com/2008/03/2010-hyundai-genesis-coupe.html

And here:

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/112_0805_2009_hyundai_genesis_coupe_first_look/index.html

Oh... look... here too:

The 4B11T is the new EVO X engine designed and manufactured through an alliance called GEMA which consists of Mitsubishi, Hyundai, and Chrysler. Here at Cosworth we have had an EVO X head and camshafts here since October 2007. We have an entire engine assembly on the way which we will be using for the sole purpose of research and development. I’m only allowed to show you pictures of stock parts of course. Cosworth has many things planned for the 4B11T engine including strokers, big valve CNC heads, high RPM valve train, camshafts, pistons, long blocks, short blocks, studs, etc.

http://www.beyondthedyno.com/Blogs/Eric/?p=658

*Food for thought, if you're going to contradict or debate with someone, come with evidence/proof. Stating someone is wrong without backing it up with some information is pretty foolish!

Maybe my wording wasn't perfect, but you added nothing to the contrary.

 

[GraysonHyundai]

I think the coupe will not hurt STI/EVO sales. I think it will be geared to the WRX or Lancer Turbo models.

the STI/EVO's are more expensive and offer a little differnent experience than the Coupe/WRX/etc will.

I have been a long time WRX owner (3 wrx's plus a turbo Legacy GT) and I can see how this car would definitely creep into some competition.

Being only in a 2 door may hurt it somewhat because many looking at the WRX (or even STI) like the extra room, 4 doors, cargo area, etc. With the 09 WRX and the current style of the WRX/STI, it appeals to an older crowd unlike many of the previous styles did.

Being a RWD coupe does make it a very appealing vehicle, but I do not think STI/EVO will be the ones that see the compeition with it.

As mentioned, I do not think it will be cross shopped with anything BMW offers right now.

I can see the 350/370z being cross shopped with this vehicle, especially after magazines start doing their comparisions and it opens some eyes to this vehicle where most may just pass over it because of the badge.

 

[bkprodigy]

Really?



http://pmmg1122.blogspot.com/2008/03/2010-hyundai-genesis-coupe.html

And here:

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/112_0805_2009_hyundai_genesis_coupe_first_look/index.html

Oh... look... here too:



http://www.beyondthedyno.com/Blogs/Eric/?p=658

*Food for thought, if you're going to contradict or debate with someone, come with evidence/proof. Stating someone is wrong without backing it up with some information is pretty foolish!

Maybe my wording wasn't perfect, but you added nothing to the contrary.

"I believe the turbo setup in the Gen Coupe is the same Mitsu found in the Evo and STI"

^
You're saying this is a correct statement? The block is 4B11T sure. I've heard the head is slightly different but still a speculation. The connecting rods, pistons are definitely not the same as ones used in Evo X. The turbo which your statement was referring to is NOT the same. Much less Sti...(lol, completely different platform? maybe you meant SRT-4?)

Your statement was foolish, it didnt' deserve evidence as I would provide in a debate. It's FACT buddy.

 

[bluetwo]

Basically I think the idea is for us to hope the Genesis i4 will have as much tuning potential or at least similar potential to the Evo's. And we're also hoping the turbo isn't a TD04 but rather a larger unit like what's found in the Evo or STi.

I tend to think it's on the small side since max torque seems to be pretty low in the rev range. That can mean it'll spool really fast and make as much torque as the larger one but run out of breath and not support quite as much horsepower.

 

[BigElm]

"I believe the turbo setup in the Gen Coupe is the same Mitsu found in the Evo and STI"

^
You're saying this is a correct statement? The block is 4B11T sure. I've heard the head is slightly different but still a speculation. The connecting rods, pistons are definitely not the same as ones used in Evo X. The turbo which your statement was referring to is NOT the same. Much less Sti...(lol, completely different platform? maybe you meant SRT-4?)

Your statement was foolish, it didnt' deserve evidence as I would provide in a debate. It's FACT buddy.

You lack reading comprehension..... I said "I believe the turbo...." not stating as fact. And yes, I meant the SRT-4 not the STI. So, my bad Mr. Perfect. Regardless, my statement wasn't stating facts, it was stating the possibility because it's the only information that's out there right now.

But whatever... I'm not wasting anymore time to your weightless responses. One more thing..... I'm NOT your buddy!

 

[bkprodigy]

You lack reading comprehension..... I said "I believe the turbo...." not stating as fact. And yes, I meant the SRT-4 not the STI. So, my bad Mr. Perfect. Regardless, my statement wasn't stating facts, it was stating the possibility because it's the only information that's out there right now.

But whatever... I'm not wasting anymore time to your weightless responses. One more thing..... I'm NOT your buddy!

YOU lack reading comprehension. The fact is list of things I've said to correct you. Not what YOU said. YOU think its the only information out there right now, and you are naive enough to think that they would put EXACTLY same motor and turbo as evoX and still cost what they cost. I told you that you were wrong, but you tried to come back at me with list of useless research lol..

 

[BigElm]

I believe the turbo setup in the Gen Coupe is the same Mitsu found in the Evo and STI

to think that they would put EXACTLY same motor and turbo as evoX and still cost what they cost.

LOL!!!! tsk, tsk, tsk.....