Genesis G70 Pricing

[EdP]

I'd like to believe you are right, but where do you see in the release that it has all the goodies. As I mentioned before there is no line stating that the manual transmission is built off a different trim. They also refer to the manual as a separate trim instead of an option to an existing trim.

Like I said, I wish/hope the manual has all the same features as the automatic sport but at $7000 less and the way its written I'm doubtful.

They start with this
G70 Advanced 2.0T RWD: $34,900

Under that heading they list all the features like push button start, McPherson Struts, etc, and every model is built off of that. They show all the add for each feature, including the MT model. I have to assume that that model has a start button, struts, and everything listed on the base.
Down the list you have this:
2.0T Sport 6MT: $37,900
Then you get a list of what you get for the extra 3k.

Evidently they offer another model but list no features for it. I have no idea how much an AT would add to the price.
2.0T A/T Sport RWD $44,900

I think we have to wait until there is a Build and Price to see exactly what you get, or don't.

 

[KusaKusa]

I'm pretty sure the manual builds off the base trim. It has the leatherette seats, except with the holes for ventilation, so I assume it's based on the base trim. You can refer to review videos of the manual which should corroborate what I'm saying.

 

[g60_corrado_91]

The difference in content between the Sport 6MT and Sport AT:
AT gets Nappa leather with sport quilting (MT does not)
AT gets copper headlight treatment (MT does not)
AT gets dark tint taillight covers (MT does not)
AT gets dark chrome grille (MT does not)
AT gets heated rear sear seats (MT does not)
AT gets Qi wireless charging pad (MT does not)
AT gets Heads-up display (MT does not)
AT gets Dinamica microfiber headliner (MT does not)
AT gets low beam assist (MT does not)
AT gets surround view monitor (MT does not)
AT gets front and rear parking sensors (MT does not)
AT gets Genesis logo approach lights (MT does not)
AT gets integrated navigation system (MT does not)
AT gets rain-sensing windshield wipers (MT does not)
AT gets a sunroof (MT does not)
AT gets power folding, auto dimming exterior mirrors (MT does not)

This is all according to their press release. It's a difference of 7,000.00. They should not penalize manual transmission buyers with stripped down models. Because of all the deleted content I am no longer interested. It is interesting they reversed course on this. The Elantra Sport sedan and GT hatchback 6MT are available fully loaded. It's quite a shame Genesis has done this.

First post here. I've been eyeing the 6MT G70 for a few weeks now. While I see what you're saying, I know what they're doing. What do you think the take rate is going to be with the 6MT G70? I'll bet it'll be less than 10%. Lets face it, automatics are taking over. Us manual enthusiasts should be thanking Genesis for even offering a manual version of the car WITH Brembo's all around and a limited slip differential. As you noted yourself, Audi has dropped the manual from their 2.0T A4 for 2019 making them a manual-less manufacturer (in the USA at least). Alfa doesn't offer one period in the USA, MB really hasn't since the 90's, Cadillac with the ATS does as does BMW for some of their 3 Series, but lets face it, how much longer will they? Even VW confirmed that the next Golf R will be DSG only. I'm a strong advocate for manuals. I have had my 2006 Mk5 GTI since new and it is manual as is my daily driver 2015 Mazda 3 hatchback. I only consider manual cars to buy, so offerings are getting slim.

Now back to your post, I do agree that it'd be super awesome if the 6MT G70 for the USA had the following (in addition to what it does have):

Copper headlight treatment
Dark tint taillight covers
Dark chrome grille
Heads-up display
Dinamica microfiber headliner

These are indeed not included for the manual? I thought the manual did get the low beam assist? Not a huge deal breaker for me either way.

Low beam assist
Genesis logo approach lights (MT does not)

Rain-sensing windshield wipers would be cool IF you can disable them, but again, not a deal breaker for me. No sunroof, honestly, 10 years ago, that would've bothered me, but after having the Mazda (a base iSport), I can deal without one since it has the goods (LSD, Brembos, 6MT, RWD). My GTI does have one too. The power folding, auto dimming exterior mirrors would be nice too (mostly the auto dimming portion). As far as built in NAV, at least it has Apple CarPlay and Android Auto standard. And with iOS 12, Waze should finally be fully integrated.

I'm just glad to see that the US spec 6MT G70 has the heated and ventilated leatherette seats, full LED lighting, and the 15 speaker Lexicon audio system. AFAIK, the Canada 6MT G70 has the Nappa leather, but no ventilation and I don't think they get the Lexicon audio system either. Correct me if I'm wrong.

With all of that said, if they had offered all of that with the 6MT, you'd now have a $40+k car. Maybe they should've offered the "base" version they are offering and then an AT equivalent version just without the AT and without the SCC/ACC (since it sounds like Genesis doesn't want to deal with having that responsibility with a manual; Honda, VW, Toyota with their new 6MT Corolla HB do have adaptive cruise control available with their manuals. But again, since the take rate is going to be <10%, I see their point in not offering a fully loaded version. Just as Alfa did. Alfa said they were going to have a 6MT offering for the USA and then BOOM! Last minute, they decided 8AT only. When you look at the sales numbers of a 3 Series vs a Gulia, you'll see why that is.

Sorry for the long first post!

 

[mhinz82]

First post here. I've been eyeing the 6MT G70 for a few weeks now. While I see what you're saying, I know what they're doing. What do you think the take rate is going to be with the 6MT G70? I'll bet it'll be less than 10%. Lets face it, automatics are taking over. Us manual enthusiasts should be thanking Genesis for even offering a manual version of the car WITH Brembo's all around and a limited slip differential. As you noted yourself, Audi has dropped the manual from their 2.0T A4 for 2019 making them a manual-less manufacturer (in the USA at least). Alfa doesn't offer one period in the USA, MB really hasn't since the 90's, Cadillac with the ATS does as does BMW for some of their 3 Series, but lets face it, how much longer will they? Even VW confirmed that the next Golf R will be DSG only. I'm a strong advocate for manuals. I have had my 2006 Mk5 GTI since new and it is manual as is my daily driver 2015 Mazda 3 hatchback. I only consider manual cars to buy, so offerings are getting slim.

Now back to your post, I do agree that it'd be super awesome if the 6MT G70 for the USA had the following (in addition to what it does have):

Copper headlight treatment
Dark tint taillight covers
Dark chrome grille
Heads-up display
Dinamica microfiber headliner

These are indeed not included for the manual? I thought the manual did get the low beam assist? Not a huge deal breaker for me either way.

Low beam assist
Genesis logo approach lights (MT does not)

Rain-sensing windshield wipers would be cool IF you can disable them, but again, not a deal breaker for me. No sunroof, honestly, 10 years ago, that would've bothered me, but after having the Mazda (a base iSport), I can deal without one since it has the goods (LSD, Brembos, 6MT, RWD). My GTI does have one too. The power folding, auto dimming exterior mirrors would be nice too (mostly the auto dimming portion). As far as built in NAV, at least it has Apple CarPlay and Android Auto standard. And with iOS 12, Waze should finally be fully integrated.

I'm just glad to see that the US spec 6MT G70 has the heated and ventilated leatherette seats, full LED lighting, and the 15 speaker Lexicon audio system. AFAIK, the Canada 6MT G70 has the Nappa leather, but no ventilation and I don't think they get the Lexicon audio system either. Correct me if I'm wrong.

With all of that said, if they had offered all of that with the 6MT, you'd now have a $40+k car. Maybe they should've offered the "base" version they are offering and then an AT equivalent version just without the AT and without the SCC/ACC (since it sounds like Genesis doesn't want to deal with having that responsibility with a manual; Honda, VW, Toyota with their new 6MT Corolla HB do have adaptive cruise control available with their manuals. But again, since the take rate is going to be <10%, I see their point in not offering a fully loaded version. Just as Alfa did. Alfa said they were going to have a 6MT offering for the USA and then BOOM! Last minute, they decided 8AT only. When you look at the sales numbers of a 3 Series vs a Gulia, you'll see why that is.

Sorry for the long first post!

I just disagree with all of this. The take rate is obviously lower for the MT - but it is my opinion that it will be even lower now than it could have been due to the model being stripped down. There is no reason not to offer the 2.0T Sport AT and MT with the exact same content. Again, MT buyers do no buy a MT because they are cheap and want to save money. This isn’t Honda or Hyundai or Toyota. People in the luxury segment are going to expect vehicles to be equipped appropriately.

 

[g60_corrado_91]

I just disagree with all of this. The take rate is obviously lower for the MT - but it is my opinion that it will be even lower now than it could have been due to the model being stripped down. There is no reason not to offer the 2.0T Sport AT and MT with the exact same content. Again, MT buyers do no buy a MT because they are cheap and want to save money. This isn’t Honda or Hyundai or Toyota. People in the luxury segment are going to expect vehicles to be equipped appropriately.

Well, take it as you will, but there's no getting away from the fact that even if a higher percentage of people buy the manual version (loaded or as it is equipped now), it'll still be a really low number compared to all of the automatics they end up selling. Why else would Audi ditch their perfectly great 6MT A4 2.0T that you could get loaded up? Why would Gulia tell the US market that they'll offer a 6MT version and then back out last second? The sales numbers don't lie. Manuals are a dying breed and there just aren't that many of us left who would buy a fully loaded 6MT sports sedan this day in age.

Other than BMW with their 3 Series, who else offers a manual in the segment? Cadillac with their ATS? Maybe the Q50?

 

[danygenesis]

New guy here in So Cal. Been waiting for this info, this is what I see: I want the 3.3 motor / RWD I think..

3.3 Advanced at $ 43,750 has the Lexicon and Brembo's, Cooled seats, Good... No Sunroof..
3.3 Elite at $ 45,500, Adds Sunroof, Parking, and Low Beam Assist
3.3 Prestige at $ 48,000, Adds HUD, Surround Monitor, and Nappa Leather..

Looking forward to the Color combos and Configurator..

Appreciate the information, Thank-you...

3.3 Elite adds Intermittent rain sensing windshield wipers and Qi wireless charger too.

 

[JayceM]

I just disagree with all of this. The take rate is obviously lower for the MT - but it is my opinion that it will be even lower now than it could have been due to the model being stripped down. There is no reason not to offer the 2.0T Sport AT and MT with the exact same content. Again, MT buyers do no buy a MT because they are cheap and want to save money. This isn’t Honda or Hyundai or Toyota. People in the luxury segment are going to expect vehicles to be equipped appropriately.

My guess is they'll probably lose less sales from doing this than they gained from even offering the manual so they probably just don't care.

 

[Ed Okin]

First post here. I've been eyeing the 6MT G70 for a few weeks now. While I see what you're saying, I know what they're doing. What do you think the take rate is going to be with the 6MT G70? I'll bet it'll be less than 10%. Lets face it, automatics are taking over. Us manual enthusiasts should be thanking Genesis for even offering a manual version of the car WITH Brembo's all around and a limited slip differential. As you noted yourself, Audi has dropped the manual from their 2.0T A4 for 2019 making them a manual-less manufacturer (in the USA at least). Alfa doesn't offer one period in the USA, MB really hasn't since the 90's, Cadillac with the ATS does as does BMW for some of their 3 Series, but lets face it, how much longer will they? Even VW confirmed that the next Golf R will be DSG only. I'm a strong advocate for manuals. I have had my 2006 Mk5 GTI since new and it is manual as is my daily driver 2015 Mazda 3 hatchback. I only consider manual cars to buy, so offerings are getting slim.

Now back to your post, I do agree that it'd be super awesome if the 6MT G70 for the USA had the following (in addition to what it does have):

Copper headlight treatment
Dark tint taillight covers
Dark chrome grille
Heads-up display
Dinamica microfiber headliner

These are indeed not included for the manual? I thought the manual did get the low beam assist? Not a huge deal breaker for me either way.

Low beam assist
Genesis logo approach lights (MT does not)

Rain-sensing windshield wipers would be cool IF you can disable them, but again, not a deal breaker for me. No sunroof, honestly, 10 years ago, that would've bothered me, but after having the Mazda (a base iSport), I can deal without one since it has the goods (LSD, Brembos, 6MT, RWD). My GTI does have one too. The power folding, auto dimming exterior mirrors would be nice too (mostly the auto dimming portion). As far as built in NAV, at least it has Apple CarPlay and Android Auto standard. And with iOS 12, Waze should finally be fully integrated.

I'm just glad to see that the US spec 6MT G70 has the heated and ventilated leatherette seats, full LED lighting, and the 15 speaker Lexicon audio system. AFAIK, the Canada 6MT G70 has the Nappa leather, but no ventilation and I don't think they get the Lexicon audio system either. Correct me if I'm wrong.

With all of that said, if they had offered all of that with the 6MT, you'd now have a $40+k car. Maybe they should've offered the "base" version they are offering and then an AT equivalent version just without the AT and without the SCC/ACC (since it sounds like Genesis doesn't want to deal with having that responsibility with a manual; Honda, VW, Toyota with their new 6MT Corolla HB do have adaptive cruise control available with their manuals. But again, since the take rate is going to be <10%, I see their point in not offering a fully loaded version. Just as Alfa did. Alfa said they were going to have a 6MT offering for the USA and then BOOM! Last minute, they decided 8AT only. When you look at the sales numbers of a 3 Series vs a Gulia, you'll see why that is.

Sorry for the long first post!

Welcome!

We need a spy to snap a photo of a window sticker from a 2.0T manual.

 

[g60_corrado_91]

The other thing to keep in mind with the 6MT G70 is that Genesis is still technically just "re-starting" up, and they were a company before this reorganization for what, a few years? On top of all of that, while they are competing against the premium sport sedans and have a very compelling car, their whole roots of existence do go back to value. Offering a fully loaded 6MT G70 probably wouldn't affect their sales that much at all and while there are those of us that will complain, at the end of the day, that percentage of people who want a fully loaded manual aren't going to be the large numbers that the company needs to stay in business.

The good part to all of this is that if the take rate of the 6MT G70 ends up being higher, Genesis could decide to offer a more loaded version of it.

 

[g60_corrado_91]

Welcome!

We need a spy to snap a photo of a window sticker from a 2.0T manual.

Thanks! I definitely agree with that. I believe the dealer right by me is going to continue selling Genesis models as they have a few G80's in their lot. I will be keeping an eye on them.

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[KusaKusa]

Until someone actually fulfills the burden of proof and provides data that there is a market or focus group that wants top trim or 3.3T power on their manuals in the $45-50k range, I'm going to assume Genesis and every other company dropping manuals overall know what they're doing. I'm really tired of people spouting their personal preference as what's right or as what the market demands, especially when they may just be giving their opinions and are not seriously considering buying it at all.

 

[canucklehead604]

The other thing to keep in mind with the 6MT G70 is that Genesis is still technically just "re-starting" up, and they were a company before this reorganization for what, a few years? On top of all of that, while they are competing against the premium sport sedans and have a very compelling car, their whole roots of existence do go back to value. Offering a fully loaded 6MT G70 probably wouldn't affect their sales that much at all and while there are those of us that will complain, at the end of the day, that percentage of people who want a fully loaded manual aren't going to be the large numbers that the company needs to stay in business.

The good part to all of this is that if the take rate of the 6MT G70 ends up being higher, Genesis could decide to offer a more loaded version of it.

^ as i suspected, there are many trim differences between US spec and CAD spec RWD 6MT Sports. i own a CAD spec one, and it comes packaged to look identical to the 3.3T Sport, except the 6MT trim gets the sport exhaust, sport brake pads and the spare tire delete (which bugs me).

i agree that you need to reference the US spec sheet 'with the little dots' to be able to determine exactly what the content is.

the CAD 6MT trim contains many of the 'luxury' items of the 3.3T Sport, including the cross-stitched Nappa leather, Lexicon stereo, and so on. so it does not feel 'stripped-down' at all. it is an almost perfect combination...except that it is missing ventilated seats, which the US trim gets.

MSRP in CAD is $45,500 which includes freight/PDI/fees/etc - this is $3500 above the base 2.0T AWD. at USD $37,900, or $3000 above the base, the US 6MT trim does not seems to have as much overall value as the CAD trim.

the further illustrate the differences between trim specs (not that it really matters i suppose) see below for additional differences:

The difference in content between the Sport 6MT and Sport AT:
AT gets Nappa leather with sport quilting (MT does not) - CAD yes
AT gets copper headlight treatment (MT does not) - CAD yes
AT gets dark tint taillight covers (MT does not) - CAD yes
AT gets dark chrome grille (MT does not) - CAD yes
AT gets heated rear sear seats (MT does not) - CAD no
AT gets Qi wireless charging pad (MT does not) - CAD no
AT gets Heads-up display (MT does not) - CAD yes
AT gets Dinamica microfiber headliner (MT does not) - CAD yes
AT gets low beam assist (MT does not) - CAD yes
AT gets surround view monitor (MT does not) - CAD no
AT gets front and rear parking sensors (MT does not) - CAD yes
AT gets Genesis logo approach lights (MT does not) - CAD yes
AT gets integrated navigation system (MT does not) - CAD no
AT gets rain-sensing windshield wipers (MT does not) - CAD i think so
AT gets a sunroof (MT does not) - CAD yes
AT gets power folding, auto dimming exterior mirrors (MT does not) - CAD yes

 

[Beefer]

I have been staring at the original trim release...and the one from yesterday. The brochure is useless trash.

I honestly think the 6MT goes through the different trims. Yes some things might not be included, etc...but I think it goes from a Base right through to the Sport trim.

I am not 100% sure...but probably willing to put some money on it...LOL.

We will only be able to tell once the online config tool is ready.

Or...email or call Kevin Smith...

714-887-2433
kdsmith@gma.com

 

[mhinz82]

Until someone actually fulfills the burden of proof and provides data that there is a market or focus group that wants top trim or 3.3T power on their manuals in the $45-50k range, I'm going to assume Genesis and every other company dropping manuals overall know what they're doing. I'm really tired of people spouting their personal preference as what's right or as what the market demands, especially when they may just be giving their opinions and are not seriously considering buying it at all.

Maybe I am stating how it "should" be and giving my opinion, however, the data that is out there is this: nobody else in the luxury/sport segment configures a manual transmission in the way that Genesis has with the G70. Is everybody else wrong? Genesis Canada got it right with their 6MT Sport - it's just odd that the US spec models are stripped

 

[canucklehead604]

^ you are correct. ever since the G37S 6MT sedan was killed off, there are no RWD, 6MT, LSD options. BMW offers the 3-series only with Xdrive and 6MT.

this reviewer sums it up well, and likens the G70 6MT to the much-loved E46 era:

 

[g60_corrado_91]

Until someone actually fulfills the burden of proof and provides data that there is a market or focus group that wants top trim or 3.3T power on their manuals in the $45-50k range, I'm going to assume Genesis and every other company dropping manuals overall know what they're doing. I'm really tired of people spouting their personal preference as what's right or as what the market demands, especially when they may just be giving their opinions and are not seriously considering buying it at all.

I agree with this. That's what I was getting at. In the end, auto manufacturers are a business and in it to make the money. Since 90% of the consumer market has moved on to wanting automatics, we should be lucky that Genesis included a manual at all, regardless of specific options!

 

[EdP]

Maybe I am stating how it "should" be and giving my opinion, however, the data that is out there is this: nobody else in the luxury/sport segment configures a manual transmission in the way that Genesis has with the G70. Is everybody else wrong? Genesis Canada got it right with their 6MT Sport - it's just odd that the US spec models are stripped

We'll know for sure when the 2020MY configurations are announced.

 

[mhinz82]

I agree with this. That's what I was getting at. In the end, auto manufacturers are a business and in it to make the money. Since 90% of the consumer market has moved on to wanting automatics, we should be lucky that Genesis included a manual at all, regardless of specific options!

I do think it's great that a MT is even offered. Kudos to Genesis. Just sad that it's stripped. They didn't strip the Elantra/GT Sport MT. They didn't strip the G70 MT in Canada. They didn't strip the Veloster Turbo MT. BMW doesn't strip their 3 series. After waiting so long for this car it's just a real let down to get this news.

 

[g60_corrado_91]

The difference in content between the Sport 6MT and Sport AT:
AT gets Nappa leather with sport quilting (MT does not) - CAD yes
AT gets copper headlight treatment (MT does not) - CAD yes
AT gets dark tint taillight covers (MT does not) - CAD yes
AT gets dark chrome grille (MT does not) - CAD yes
AT gets heated rear sear seats (MT does not) - CAD no
AT gets Qi wireless charging pad (MT does not) - CAD no
AT gets Heads-up display (MT does not) - CAD yes
AT gets Dinamica microfiber headliner (MT does not) - CAD yes
AT gets low beam assist (MT does not) - CAD yes
AT gets surround view monitor (MT does not) - CAD no
AT gets front and rear parking sensors (MT does not) - CAD yes
AT gets Genesis logo approach lights (MT does not) - CAD yes
AT gets integrated navigation system (MT does not) - CAD no
AT gets rain-sensing windshield wipers (MT does not) - CAD i think so
AT gets a sunroof (MT does not) - CAD yes
AT gets power folding, auto dimming exterior mirrors (MT does not) - CAD yes

The only thing I can think of that's different is that maybe a lot more of the Canada consumer market buys manual cars still?

Maybe I am stating how it "should" be and giving my opinion, however, the data that is out there is this: nobody else in the luxury/sport segment configures a manual transmission in the way that Genesis has with the G70. Is everybody else wrong? Genesis Canada got it right with their 6MT Sport - it's just odd that the US spec models are stripped

See my statement above to canucklehead604. That's the only thing I can think of. Genesis knows that hardly anyone in the US will buy a loaded manual.

 

[g60_corrado_91]

^ you are correct. ever since the G37S 6MT sedan was killed off, there are no RWD, 6MT, LSD options. BMW offers the 3-series only with Xdrive and 6MT.

this reviewer sums it up well, and likens the G70 6MT to the much-loved E46 era:

Sad world we live in. After driving in Chicago this past Saturday, I do get why automatics are taking over. I sat in 35 minutes of traffic to drive 4 miles. Thankfully in the suburbs, traffic isn't that bad. Lets just say while the Mazda clutch is fine, driving my GTI with a Southbend Stg 2 Endurance clutch would've been just that, an endurance. Hahaha.