Genesis G70 Reviews

[canucklehead604]

^ agreed - generally he is one of the more well-educated youtube reviewers. not the best, but far from the worst. fair take on the stinger over the G70 - if that suits his fancy better. too bad he had the A/S tires. i was not aware you could get the Sport rims with A/S tires. i thought all Sport packages came with the PS4's.

 

[Beefer]

^ agreed - generally he is one of the more well-educated youtube reviewers. not the best, but far from the worst. fair take on the stinger over the G70 - if that suits his fancy better. too bad he had the A/S tires. i was not aware you could get the Sport rims with A/S tires. i thought all Sport packages came with the PS4's.

That was the case for 2019 models...in the USA. They changed it for 2020.

 

[Aquineas]

Unflattering Automobile 2.0 Manual Review

 

[Husky]

Unflattering Automobile 2.0 Manual Review

Ouch! Too bad it doesn't have the 310hp turbo four that Ford is putting in the new Mustang!
Let's hope the new 2.5 is a big improvement. Of course the main point was no more stick.

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[Ernie3647]

Unflattering Automobile 2.0 Manual Review

I found that review a couple of days again but chose not to post it out of consideration for our readers with that configuration.

 

[Slip_Angle]

I think most of his complaints could be fixed by throttle and engine mapping. The engine is good but it's likely a combination of torque limiting at the wrong time and throttle response killing the party.

Give the car to a good tuner and I'll bet it would be really great to drive..

He also took a dig at the 8 speed transmission.. saying it's mediocre... It's better than that, so based on that comment he's being overly harsh.

 

[Aquineas]

I found that review a couple of days again but chose not to post it out of consideration for our readers with that configuration.

Had Genesis had a manual on-hand that could handle the torque of the 3.3TT I think it would have been much more satisfying. It also would have potentially been a lot faster, considering how much care Genesis seems to go through to preserve the automatic transmission in 1st gear.

I still don't think it would have been enough sales to save the manuals though..

 

[Aquineas]

I think most of his complaints could be fixed by throttle and engine mapping. The engine is good but it's likely a combination of torque limiting at the wrong time and throttle response killing the party.

Give the car to a good tuner and I'll bet it would be really great to drive..

He also took a dig at the 8 speed transmission.. saying it's mediocre... It's better than that, so based on that comment he's being overly harsh.

I believe it comes down to vehicle mass. And let's not kid ourselves, even the 3.3T.T feels lethargic when not in Sport mode.

 

[canucklehead604]

I think most of his complaints could be fixed by throttle and engine mapping. The engine is good but it's likely a combination of torque limiting at the wrong time and throttle response killing the party.

Give the car to a good tuner and I'll bet it would be really great to drive..

He also took a dig at the 8 speed transmission.. saying it's mediocre... It's better than that, so based on that comment he's being overly harsh.

^ sport mode helps the lag issue and mostly eliminates the odd mapping off-idle. JB4 does the rest. gearing is not set up for launches which kills the 0-60 time. it is much more about the mid range with the 6MT, and gears 2-4 are good fun. this is where most of us spend the bulk of our time anyhow, so 0-60 times are not critical for seat of the pants fun.

that said. the 7.5s 0-60 time seems way slow. we've seen test data anywhere from 5.9s to (now) 7.5s for the 2.0T.

i always take subjective gearbox/clutch/pedal feedback as just that - subjective conjecture. a manual gearbox and clutch operation is much more user-dependent than an autobox. what one guys like, another guy hates.

this phrase indicates to me that the reviewer was certainly taking an overly critical approach to the G70 6MT:
"...when combined with a vague clutch and apparent lack of low-down torque, leads to more-than-should-be-necessary clutch slip, herky-jerky starts, outright stalls, or a combination of all three".

i have never found the clutch to be vague as he describes. i also find torque to come on quickly (as reflected by the 1400rpm peak). i have never needed to rely on clutch slip for smooth engagement - thanks in part to the hill-hold assist, nor have i (or anyone else who drove my car) had herky-jerky starts. i've not yet stalled, nor has my wife.

so yeah, while i do not disagree with the reviewer's take on the 6MT's inevitable demise, in my books he's out to lunch with the level of criticism for the driveline operation. it's not S2000 slick, but it beats the hell out of recent Mustangs and my old G37S manuals (while it was stock).

 

[Slip_Angle]

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[canucklehead604]

^ exactly. If i was so troubled with the 6MT as was that reviewer, i’d not have bought the G70. I enjoy the 6MT as a daily driver, and on my commute. Although since COVID i do not drive or commute daily.

No question i still love the feeling of driving the 6MT. The G70, for me, is still a hoot and that’s all that really matters i’d say.

My guess is i’ll be forced to go autobox with my next ride - unless i decide to grab a used 911 or Cayman S which are both on my radar and will have to be a 6MT (or 7MT). I need to own at least one Porsche.

 

[Slip_Angle]

Porsche are my favorite too

 

[LandOfConfusion]

Had Genesis had a manual on-hand that could handle the torque of the 3.3TT I think it would have been much more satisfying.

Not only does Genesis not have a manual that can handle the torque of the 3.3TT, it doesn’t have one that can handle the 2.0T. Hence the detuned throttle mapping and more-than-should-be-necessary clutch slip in 1st gear. The dead spot on clutch engagement is Genesis’s way of trying to preserve the clutch. Ironically, it has the opposite result since the driver must overcompensate for this.

 

[canucklehead604]

Not only does Genesis not have a manual that can handle the torque of the 3.3TT, it doesn’t have one that can handle the 2.0T. Hence the detuned throttle mapping and more-than-should-be-necessary clutch slip in 1st gear. The dead spot on clutch engagement is Genesis’s way of trying to preserve the clutch. Ironically, it has the opposite result since the driver must overcompensate for this.

^ yeah, i wondered that too. but i've been told by Gen Canada reps that Genesis heavily reworked the old Gen coupe 6MT which they already had on the shelf. with that old coupe they had the 2.0T @ 271hp/275tq and the 3.8L @ ~340hp/295tq. if we say they used the coupe's 2.0T 6MT gearbox on the G70 (let's assume for now this gearbox differed from the V6 6MT car) then there shouldn't be a worry since the G70 is rated @ 255/260. so why detune 1st gear in the G70? should the gearbox not be more than capable of handling our lesser-rated 2.0T?

even better for tuners, IF the old 6MT was shared between the 2.0T and 3.8L coupes, we should have mod room to play with while avoiding undue strain on the 6MT gearbox since the gearbox was paired with 340hp/295tq from the factory. one can hope, at least...however either option comes up well short of being able to be paired with the 3.3T. as i've said before, a G70 spec'd with 3.3T/RWD/6MT/LSD/Sport package would be icing on the Gen cake and as close as we can come to a white unicorn these days.

 

[PJ Genesis]

delete.

 

[YEH]

C/D 30k mile update.

Our 2019 Genesis G70 Left Us Wanting for More Power

We would have liked our Genesis G70 2.0T sedan even more if it had the optional twin-turbo V-6.

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[canucklehead604]

so i have a review...of a G70 loaner car over the weekend. i had my G70 6MT Sport in for its 2nd 'free' Genesis service.

while in for service, they gave me a 2021 2.0T Elite for the day in grey on black. in CAD, this is the 2nd most expensive 2.0T trim. after my day in it, i do not understand the trim packaging. i was also very surprised how different of an impression the car made overall.

observations compared to my 6MT Sport trim - remember, the CAD 6MT trim differs from the US 6MT which doesn't have the Sport appearance package or other CAD spec bits:

Positives:
- the Elite gets additional safety gadgets. this must be the primary reason someone would bay $4k over the base 2.0T.
- the Elite has Navi which worked well
- Elite has ventilated seats. this is by far the highlight of what the Elite offered over the 6MT Sport. i want, but can't have. booo
- in a weird way i feel the 2.0T and boost programming are better suited to the 8AT. while i did not like the 8AT, the Elite car seemed to drive smoothly and engine/tranny were well matched. the 6MT can be a bit too 'surgey' since the throttle control is so different
- strong feeling acceleration (but nothing too wild)
- it had HTRAC would be handy in slippery conditions

Negatives:
- no HUD
- no performance gauge screen
- weak-sauce silver 18" rims
- low-grip A/S tires
- base brakes were OK, but nowhere near the bite of the euro compound Brembo combo
- lame exhaust note compared to 6MT's sport exhaust - i had no idea how much of a difference it would be
- the engine sound inside the cabin was very different than in my car, which is still a 2.0T
- much more pronounced "enhancement" with the piped in noise. when i got the car it was on the highest/most enhanced setting. it was VERY obvious and off-putting and set off my dislike of the Elite trim. with the 6MT, the most enhanced setting is very tame since the exhaust sounds better to start with.
- no extending thigh support
- no auto-side bolster when Sport mode engaged
- the elite leather did not feel like leather. even my car-guy buddy mentioned the same thing. there is a vast difference between the Sport Nappa and the Elite leathers
- the x-stitched interior of the Sport has so much more character than the subtle Elite pattern
- door cards were boring, no visible stitching
- light grey roof liner was much cheaper looking than the black microfibre (or whatever it's called) in the Sport
- not a fan of the bright chrome exterior trim compared to Sport chrome
- i do not like the centre console of the 8AT - far too much flat plastic, especially beside the driver's right leg. the 6MT has a handbrake which creates a deep recess in the console so that there is no wall of plastic beside your right leg. also, the leather 6MT shift boot takes up the real estate of the Elite's black plastic trim
- i do not dig the electronic park brake. it's finicky and not very sport-oriented. using the parking brake has been a useful tool in the past in slippery conditions and having manual control of it is far more confidence inspiring than leaving everything traction-related to the electronics
- not a fan of the auto start/stop - i shut that off each time i got in, which is easy enough to do but annoying
- the Elite gets additional safety stuff, some of which drove me nuts for tight city driving. i ended up shutting off the forward-collision feature
- fuel economy of the Elite lagged far behind my 6MT. i never see above ~12-13 L/100kms in my car. i was at just shy of 17 L/100kms for the day in the Elite. certainly part of that was due to me bagging on it a bit. but nothing crazy and i was in the city all day
- flappy paddles responded OK to downshifts, but the car kept reverting to D when i slowed down or came to a stop
- the Elite didn't seem to inspire driving for fun as does the Sport
- turn in and handling is much sharper in the lighter 6MT trim

Between the interior and exterior trim packaging, as well as the subdued colour and rims, nothing felt special about the Elite i drove. it was a fine car and did everything well enough, but it just does not elicit any emotion or sense of wanting to have fun as does the Sport trim. my guess is that the Elite buyer must have the safety gadgets but doesn't need some of the luxury pieces found on the higher Prestige trim. Prestige is another $4k or so, so i get it. but i never expected to see such a drastic difference in the car's character and feel between trims.

i realize that there is no getting around a fundamental difference going from 6MT to 8AT - that is a game changer which of course impacts my perception. i also know that the only other G70 trim i would have purchased would have been the 3.3T Sport since i appreciate all of the Sport trim packaging elements. then again, if Genesis hadn't made headlines by offering a 6MT trim i probably would have never considered the G70 in the first place. hyundai/Genesis were never on my radar, and i'd be driving a 6MT BMW 2 or 3 series right now.

just my 0.02. no offense to any of the Elite owners. everyone has their motivations and priorities which led to their purchases, and i'm sure they'd not care for the 6MT at all. so, maybe the answer is Genesis did a great job appealing to a wide demographic with the G70.

 

[Alexblablabla]

so i have a review...of a G70 loaner car over the weekend. i had my G70 6MT Sport in for its 2nd 'free' Genesis service.

while in for service, they gave me a 2021 2.0T Elite for the day in grey on black. in CAD, this is the 2nd most expensive 2.0T trim. after my day in it, i do not understand the trim packaging. i was also very surprised how different of an impression the car made overall.

observations compared to my 6MT Sport trim - remember, the CAD 6MT trim differs from the US 6MT which doesn't have the Sport appearance package or other CAD spec bits:

Positives:
- the Elite gets additional safety gadgets. this must be the primary reason someone would bay $4k over the base 2.0T.
- the Elite has Navi which worked well
- Elite has ventilated seats. this is by far the highlight of what the Elite offered over the 6MT Sport. i want, but can't have. booo
- in a weird way i feel the 2.0T and boost programming are better suited to the 8AT. while i did not like the 8AT, the Elite car seemed to drive smoothly and engine/tranny were well matched. the 6MT can be a bit too 'surgey' since the throttle control is so different
- strong feeling acceleration (but nothing too wild)
- it had HTRAC would be handy in slippery conditions

Negatives:
- no HUD
- no performance gauge screen
- weak-sauce silver 18" rims
- low-grip A/S tires
- base brakes were OK, but nowhere near the bite of the euro compound Brembo combo
- lame exhaust note compared to 6MT's sport exhaust - i had no idea how much of a difference it would be
- the engine sound inside the cabin was very different than in my car, which is still a 2.0T
- much more pronounced "enhancement" with the piped in noise. when i got the car it was on the highest/most enhanced setting. it was VERY obvious and off-putting and set off my dislike of the Elite trim. with the 6MT, the most enhanced setting is very tame since the exhaust sounds better to start with.
- no extending thigh support
- no auto-side bolster when Sport mode engaged
- the elite leather did not feel like leather. even my car-guy buddy mentioned the same thing. there is a vast difference between the Sport Nappa and the Elite leathers
- the x-stitched interior of the Sport has so much more character than the subtle Elite pattern
- door cards were boring, no visible stitching
- light grey roof liner was much cheaper looking than the black microfibre (or whatever it's called) in the Sport
- not a fan of the bright chrome exterior trim compared to Sport chrome
- i do not like the centre console of the 8AT - far too much flat plastic, especially beside the driver's right leg. the 6MT has a handbrake which creates a deep recess in the console so that there is no wall of plastic beside your right leg. also, the leather 6MT shift boot takes up the real estate of the Elite's black plastic trim
- i do not dig the electronic park brake. it's finicky and not very sport-oriented. using the parking brake has been a useful tool in the past in slippery conditions and having manual control of it is far more confidence inspiring than leaving everything traction-related to the electronics
- not a fan of the auto start/stop - i shut that off each time i got in, which is easy enough to do but annoying
- the Elite gets additional safety stuff, some of which drove me nuts for tight city driving. i ended up shutting off the forward-collision feature
- fuel economy of the Elite lagged far behind my 6MT. i never see above ~12-13 L/100kms in my car. i was at just shy of 17 L/100kms for the day in the Elite. certainly part of that was due to me bagging on it a bit. but nothing crazy and i was in the city all day
- flappy paddles responded OK to downshifts, but the car kept reverting to D when i slowed down or came to a stop
- the Elite didn't seem to inspire driving for fun as does the Sport
- turn in and handling is much sharper in the lighter 6MT trim

Between the interior and exterior trim packaging, as well as the subdued colour and rims, nothing felt special about the Elite i drove. it was a fine car and did everything well enough, but it just does not elicit any emotion or sense of wanting to have fun as does the Sport trim. my guess is that the Elite buyer must have the safety gadgets but doesn't need some of the luxury pieces found on the higher Prestige trim. Prestige is another $4k or so, so i get it. but i never expected to see such a drastic difference in the car's character and feel between trims.

i realize that there is no getting around a fundamental difference going from 6MT to 8AT - that is a game changer which of course impacts my perception. i also know that the only other G70 trim i would have purchased would have been the 3.3T Sport since i appreciate all of the Sport trim packaging elements. then again, if Genesis hadn't made headlines by offering a 6MT trim i probably would have never considered the G70 in the first place. hyundai/Genesis were never on my radar, and i'd be driving a 6MT BMW 2 or 3 series right now.

just my 0.02. no offense to any of the Elite owners. everyone has their motivations and priorities which led to their purchases, and i'm sure they'd not care for the 6MT at all. so, maybe the answer is Genesis did a great job appealing to a wide demographic with the G70.

It seems Canada and US have slightly different equipment for the different packages/trims. In US ventilated seats are only in Prestige, at least for 2.0t. And that’s one of the major reason I got Prestige.

Can confirm the low fuel economy in city driving. On pure highway I did regularly get 30mpg (7.8l/100km), which is good enough for me but not high vs other 2.0t cars.
One question, do you guys in CA get the side-bolster thing on 2.0t? Apparently not available in US.

 

[canucklehead604]

^ the US 2.0T 6MT gets vented seats too. that's the one thing it got over CAD but then misses out on a ton of CAD content. so the balance is certainly in CAD's favour on that trim spec.

yes, the trim content varies a lot between US and CAD, which is a bit surprising. i think 3.3T Sports are quite similar, but many other trims can see a wide spread.

and yes, we get the Sport side bolstering with the 2.0T 6MT Sport. not sure about other 2.0T trims though. certainly not in the Elite i had as a loaner.

 

[Aquineas]

MotorTrend tests G70 on the Track (Randy Probst). To his credit he chose the fastest color!