Genesis sedan ride

[Glashub]

Car and Driver reports that to Koreans cars are simply appliances and as a result their testing for road and track are inadequate.

"No Korean car will have enthusiast credibility until it can truly handle"

"Culture is against the company. Korea arrived late to the motorized age, and the automobile still serves the role of a bland appliance there. To change that, Hyundai-Kia needs infrastructure, starting with a better test track. The small circuit at its U.S. proving ground in California’s Mojave Desert is mostly flat, with no camber changes and a bunch of dull, constant-radius turns linking short straights. It produces copious tire squeal but teaches nothing about body stability over pitching pavement or behavior in fast transitions.

Even if Team Korea builds a good track, the company must know how to use it. Setting roll centers, selecting bushing durometers, and knowing how to elegantly reinforce a structure without piling on weight are industry black arts."

http://www.caranddriver.com/columns...le-more-honda-and-mazda-out-of-hyundai-column

 

[landtuna]

Car and Driver reports that to Koreans cars are simply appliances and as a result their testing for road and track are inadequate.

Generally I like C&D and have been reading it for years but that comment, if indeed written by them, is way off base.

The Genesis is built for USA drivers, not necessarily the Korean market and by its accoutrements is obviously not intended as an "appliance".

 

[Jbo]

RSec owner Re not attempting to br above anyone...I've heard not nary a comment about handling from a 2012 owner RSpec or not. Get a life!

 

[Mark_888]

The number of people who actually want to purchase a car that would satisfy Car and Driver test drivers and reviewers is quite small. Believe it or not, the vast majority of people purchase a car because they want to get from onr place to another, and not to drive around in circles on a test or race track.

 

[j0nblayz]

I have an earlier '09. Im come from driving bmw's all my life. 325i, 330ci, 540i, 545i, m3, 4.4i x5 are some of the cars i owned so i think i can give a good comparison to a sports sedan. When i first got the genesis i couldnt understand why everyone was complaining about the suspension, drove smooth and wasnt bad. But after awhile learning the car, i started driving it harder and i understood. The suspension was horrible, hitting dip on high speed i could bottom out the shocks/struts, corners And certain dips made the car feel like i was gonna lose control. Got to the point all i thought about was the suspension which just ruined my daily driving exprience. Some days i got so annoyed by the suspension i drove my wifes van, lol. I finally got a set of ark springs installed and its much better, this now feels like a sport sedan. Still have a bit of that floaty feeling but feel little bit more soild on the road. I really hope the new 14's have fixed the suspension. If i was you i would wait for the 14 to see what they are like or check out the 535's, i would hate to buy a 13 now and 14 gets released right after.

 

[landtuna]

RSec owner Re not attempting to br above anyone...I've heard not nary a comment about handling from a 2012 owner RSpec or not. Get a life!

I haven't chimed in on this thread because the OP asked for owners with a history of driving and I've only had my R-Spec two weeks now but....

I was the owner of a 2000 Toyota Avalon for 11 years. It was a Japanese Buick. Soft ride, adequate if not exciting power, great audio. It was primarily my wife's car and I only found a few faults with it:

I could not see the instruments on the dash when the seat and wheel were adjusted properly. The steering wheel obscured the speedo and most of the other instruments.

The front seats were not all that comfy for long trips and the ride was too soft.

It tended to float on undulating roads and it had significant body roll in corners. But then it was not intended as a sports sedan.

It had tons of room and with family members over six feet tall it was one of the only sedans that could fit several of those people front or back. It was also the most reliable car I've ever owned (a dirty MAF sensor was its sole 'repair' in 100K miles) and it is still in the family (being driven now by young daughter).

The R-Spec is a different car. Much better handling. Much more power. Not much difference in MPG believe it or not (so long as you stay out of the throttle). More comfortable in front seats. Better appointed. Obviously more high-tech. The R-Spec is also a better value dollar-wise compared to the cost of the Avalon a decade ago.

The Avalon was a great car in its day, and for my wife, but the RS is better suited for my driving. It depends upon what you are looking for in car. RS is definitely more fun to drive although it is a big sedan and not any sort of sports car. The Avalon fits most people's definition of a mid-range luxo-cruiser. Both are exceptional cars in their own right.

 

[marty5marty]

Generally I like C&D and have been reading it for years but that comment, if indeed written by them, is way off base.

The Genesis is built for USA drivers, not necessarily the Korean market and by its accoutrements is obviously not intended as an "appliance".

The Genesis in Korea was built and targeted for those in a high position government job....kind of like the Lincolns here in the US but the Korean version. My aunts and uncles were mocking me about my genesis saying if i was already a young CEO when i was in Korea last couple of months.

 

[nextcar]

like someone said earlier, the average consumer is very different from an auto journalist, who place way too much emphasis on how a car drives on curvy mountain roads and race tracks.

i am very happy with the genesis ride except when going over unusually bumpy roads at which time i wish my car was more like a Buick/Lexus of the old days.

 

[Majin SSJ Eric]

I just bought an 09 3.8 with 16k miles on it and I have noticed absolutely no ride issues with the car. I also have an 06 IS350 and a 10 G37S coupe and the Genny rides just as composed as either of those cars albeit softer (which I would expect given the mission of this car). I don't ever intend to run the Genny at the track like I did my G37S so I really don't see how rear end stability would ever be an issue. The car is very obviously set up for benign and safe understeer at the limit...

 

[Mark_888]

I just bought an 09 3.8 with 16k miles on it and I have noticed absolutely no ride issues with the car. I also have an 06 IS350 and a 10 G37S coupe and the Genny rides just as composed as either of those cars albeit softer (which I would expect given the mission of this car). I don't ever intend to run the Genny at the track like I did my G37S so I really don't see how rear end stability would ever be an issue. The car is very obviously set up for benign and safe understeer at the limit...

The early 2009's were worse then those made after spring of 2009, but neither is great. There is no problem on a flat road surface, but the rear end is jittery on uneven roads, even at slow speeds (sometimes even worse on slow speeds). Handling has never been the issue. The problem is that the springs were too tight and overpowered the shocks. The problem is much less noticeable with with a full tank of gas, passengers in rear seats, and stuff in the trunk.

Hyundai softened the springs and beefed up shocks in 2010, and made further adjustments in 2012. Also rear stabilizer bar was changed to make it more flexible.

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