Genesis vs. Cadillac CTS Impressions

[YEH]

As an owner of both of these cars I can tell you that if I had to pick one it would be the CTS. While the Genesis is a fine driving car and has great value it does not inspire me the way the CTS did. The fun to drive factor is considerably higher in the CTS.

Keep in mind that the CTS was originally a "3 Series fighter" (tho now GM is trying to push it up a segment) and due to its substantially smaller size, has an edge in dynamics.

The RWD entry level sedan that Hyundai is developing would actually be a more fair comparison to the CTS.

Shut UP?! FACTS ARE FACTS JWATERS.

It's also a fact that Bush, if his term had lasted another year or two would have done exactly the same (letting GM, and to a lesser extent, Chrysler, bite the dust would have turned the deep recession into a depression).

Note - this isn't meant to be a political comment, as opposed to a comment on the state of the economy.

 

[sandy]

Keep in mind that the CTS was originally a "3 Series fighter" (tho now GM is trying to push it up a segment) and due to its substantially smaller size, has an edge in dynamics.

The RWD entry level sedan that Hyundai is developing would actually be a more fair comparison to the CTS.



It's also a fact that Bush, if his term had lasted another year or two would have done exactly the same (letting GM, and to a lesser extent, Chrysler, bite the dust would have turned the deep recession into a depression).

Note - this isn't meant to be a political comment, as opposed to a comment on the state of the economy.

I'm not so sure this is a fact. There are respected economists on both sides of the GM/Chrysler argument. A logical case can be made for both intervening with support or letting the market run its course. Bush might have decided to let all those GM workers get rehired by Hyundai.

 

[jailer]

Keep in mind that the CTS was originally a "3 Series fighter" (tho now GM is trying to push it up a segment) and due to its substantially smaller size, has an edge in dynamics.

The RWD entry level sedan that Hyundai is developing would actually be a more fair comparison to the CTS.

Funny thing is GM created an asss-kicking in the wrong segment; the CTS-V which substantially beat both the M5 and M3, plus the V is DE-TUNED. The segment they should of whooped asss is the regular production CTS. Not that I would'nt own one though.

 

[ASHDUMP]

Keep in mind that the CTS was originally a "3 Series fighter" (tho now GM is trying to push it up a segment) and due to its substantially smaller size, has an edge in dynamics.

The RWD entry level sedan that Hyundai is developing would actually be a more fair comparison to the CTS.



It's also a fact that Bush, if his term had lasted another year or two would have done exactly the same (letting GM, and to a lesser extent, Chrysler, bite the dust would have turned the deep recession into a depression).

Thats a big "what if", but you are exactly right. Bush was no small government conservative. He grew government over his 8 years at the same rate Obama is now. Absolutely shameful. Buying out the auto companies did not save this country from a depression. It saved jobs and the livelihoods of its workers. ....now the real question is, should gov't be in charge of providing jobs to the common man? My personal opinion is no.

No amount of artificial money injected into any economy is worthwhile or sustainable. No matter how bad I want this TARP/Stimulus/Jobs bill or whatever you want to call it to work; when true demand is lacking, growth can not be achieved. Is 10% the new unemployment numbers we should get used to as Obama suggests? I hope not.

 

[YEH]

I'm not so sure this is a fact. There are respected economists on both sides of the GM/Chrysler argument. A logical case can be made for both intervening with support or letting the market run its course. Bush might have decided to let all those GM workers get rehired by Hyundai.

GM has way more engineering and whitecollar jobs than Hyundai does in the US.

As for American line workers getting hired by Hyundai or other automakers, that would take a few years since it would take time to build or renovate manufacturing plants to meet an increase demand (meanwhile increased supply would be coming from overseas plants).

Also, a vibrant domestic auto industry is one of the keys for having a healthy economy - there's a reason why China is pushing for its automakers to take on the foreign brands (not only at home, but abroad).

 

[YEH]

No amount of artificial money injected into any economy is worthwhile or sustainable. No matter how bad I want this TARP/Stimulus/Jobs bill or whatever you want to call it to work; when true demand is lacking, growth can not be achieved. Is 10% the new unemployment numbers we should get used to as Obama suggests? I hope not.

It wasn't so much about artificial demand as remaking GM and Chrysler into smaller, more efficient entities (both currently have lower costs than Ford when it comes to production costs).

The whole TARP thing was badly mismanaged (starting w/ Paulson who put absolutely no control over how the TARP funds were to be used) and I would have just as well seen the rest of the Wall Street and large commercial banks (which engaged in reckless business practices) go down in flames; but that would have been disastrous for the economy.

As a fiscal conservative, am I happy that such steps were taken, much less handled? No, but a "hands off" policy, much like what the Feds did during Hoover's administration would have led to an equally disastrous outcome.

 

[sandy]

GM has way more engineering and whitecollar jobs than Hyundai does in the US.

As for American line workers getting hired by Hyundai or other automakers, that would take a few years since it would take time to build or renovate manufacturing plants to meet an increase demand (meanwhile increased supply would be coming from overseas plants).

Also, a vibrant domestic auto industry is one of the keys for having a healthy economy - there's a reason why China is pushing for its automakers to take on the foreign brands (not only at home, but abroad).

I wasn't serious about the Hyundai hiring, you missed the smile icon. But just as GM wouldn't shut down overnight, there would be time for other US plants, both foreign and domestic owned, to ramp up and absorb displaced workers.

The US auto industry wouldn't evaporate, it would consolidate and grow stronger in the hands of the best run companies.

Of course these are all theories that are simple to type out. I don't believe anyone really knows what would work best. But someone had to make a decison and let's hope it works out.

 

[Gambler]

I've never driven a CTS, but there is no way in hell the curiosity factor outweighs the Genesis! One of the main reasons why I purchased the Genesis was for value and the fact that it came with the TAU V8. GM doesn't make a V8 anymore for sedans.

Uh, the CTS-V has a supercharged 556-horsepower V8 in it. The STS also has a V8 option. In my opinion the STS is closer in size to the Genesis, I found the CTS very cramped when I drove one. I looked at a used STS-V when considering the Genesis, it had a definite curiosity factor. I probably would have gone with it if my knee didn't hit the console in a bad spot...

 

[jwaters943]

Shut UP?! FACTS ARE FACTS JWATERS.

This isn't the place for this type of discussion. I'm not in your living room or on a political forum. I shouldn't have to hear you b*tch about politics.....period! Not that I'd expect someone with your type of myopia to understand such concepts.

 

[ASHDUMP]

Uh, the CTS-V has a supercharged 556-horsepower V8 in it. The STS also has a V8 option. In my opinion the STS is closer in size to the Genesis, I found the CTS very cramped when I drove one. I looked at a used STS-V when considering the Genesis, it had a definite curiosity factor. I probably would have gone with it if my knee didn't hit the console in a bad spot...

Woops... my bad. I completely just farted out of my mouth! Buick I know for sure isn't making V8's though. There is also the DTS NHP which is also a V8. Thanks for the correction.

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[STREETS]

You keep bringing it up and B*tching JWATERS. I wasn't necessarily talking politics - I was speaking facts about car companies pricing and the factual aspects to GM- which without my vote, each of us own whether we drive the car or not.

You want politics? What is your socialist thinking lifting bans on commercial whaling? Did he go off teleprompter or really want to piss off more lefties- Greenpeace and PETA? Hope and Change indeed.

This is a social forum related to cars. The government now partly owns GM & Chrysler- it is all relevant.

 

[flyboy2]

I think we should impeach Obama and his car! I believe it's a beefed up Cadillac--

 

[nearwater]

Back to my original questions impressions of the Genesis vs. the CTS in terms of value, features, and comfort? Any thoughts?

We have CTS as a company car that I drive all the time.
It's got the 3.6 DI engine but it's RWD.
As far as driving dynamics-wise, I'd say the CTS definitely feels much sportier.
Less body roll, and the car feels lighter.

Interior 'design' is pretty good on the CTS, however the MATERIAL used is just garbage.
Did you see the fake carbon-fiber printed plastic trim pieces?
I know the 'wood' trims are also fake in the Genesis, but the CTS ones are just horrible.
Did you notice the HUGE panel gap between the driver's door and the point where the dash meets the door?
That gap is not there on the passenger's side. Weird.
And I've noticed the same thing on other CTSs, even the CTS-V.

Speaking of CTS-V, it's just STUPID fast. The TR6060 manual felt sloppier that those of the Vettes, but boy was it crazy fast.
Made me wonder if it's even safe to have that much power on a sedan. Very nice car nonetheless.


The Genesis is definitely more comfortable that the CTS with the smooth ride, softer and cushy leathers, and the huge interior space.
I'd say it's more of a grand tourer than the CTS.
It's your choice, but I'd take the Genesis over a CTS everyday.
Good luck with your purchase!

Dan

 

[Gambler]

Woops... my bad. I completely just farted out of my mouth! Buick I know for sure isn't making V8's though. There is also the DTS NHP which is also a V8. Thanks for the correction.

No problem. In regard to the DTS, I thought we were talking about sedans not boats

 

[nearwater]

Woops... my bad. I completely just farted out of my mouth! Buick I know for sure isn't making V8's though. There is also the DTS NHP which is also a V8. Thanks for the correction.

Buick Lucerne "Super" had V8 straight from the Caddy DTS, aka Northstar.
Not sure if they still make those though.

Dan