Genesis VS Lexus ES

[CtK]

Mine doesn't do that...

hmm weird, maybe it only happens on the Ultimate??

 

[Heisenberg]

No disrespect and I am sure the ES is a nice car, but I don't think the ES is a good comparison. The Genesis is more comparable to the GS. The ES is essentially a decked out Camry...

 

[CtK]

No disrespect and I am sure the ES is a nice car, but I don't think the ES is a good comparison. The Genesis is more comparable to the GS. The ES is essentially a decked out Camry...

Ya the GS is more comparable. Both are RWD.

 

[craigt]

2) What is the point of AUTOMATIC wipers if I have to turn them on???????????????????????

3) In gen 1, in auto the wipers rest at the SAME position as if they were OFF unless it senses rain. It wipes, then waits for more rain. If there is not more rain, they retreat back into the cowl after 3 minutes. I have timed it.

For #2, they automatically wipe when there is enough rain on the windshield to warrant a wipe. At least in New England, rain isn't constant. It rains hard, then mists, then hard again. All within a few minutes. Drive faster causes more frequent wipes. Plus spray from other cars also makes the frequency to wipe inconsistent. To me, that is the purpose of auto-sensing wipers. Not to leave them on all the time. To me, that's silly. Perhaps the engineer in me makes me turn things off that aren't obviously needed.

For #3, I didn't realize that - pretty neat. But (for me) it's a moot point (see #2).

 

[Sal Collaziano]

I don't like how ours does that initial wipe every time you start up the car. Especially since I put rainx on my front windshield. So I dont need it to make streaks on my windshield.

That's strange. I've never heard of that happening before...

In my opinion, rain sensing wipers are good when it's raining. If in a garage, or it's not raining, turn the wipers off. As I mentioned previously, the wipers do not sit as low when waiting for rain than when they are off (at least on the Gen 1).

I keep mine off as well. When it rains, I turned them on.

What is the point of AUTOMATIC wipers if I have to turn them on???????????????????????

In cars I've had with automatic wipers - I actually keep them set to "off" all the time. When it starts raining I select "auto" and leave it alone. That's about it. They do their thing. I don't mind hitting the button once to turn "auto" on. To me, the point of "auto" is "one click and leave it alone" - meaning I don't need to adjust the speed or interval timing while I'm driving in the rain. Sure, I could leave it on "auto" all the time - but then you can that occasional sprinkle - like when the car in front of you is cleaning their windshield - and they come on for no real reason - making the windshield dirty.

No disrespect and I am sure the ES is a nice car, but I don't think the ES is a good comparison. The Genesis is more comparable to the GS. The ES is essentially a decked out Camry...

The current Lexus ES is actually an upgraded Toyota Avalon - which is a pretty luxurious car to begin with. Even when the ES rode on the Camry platform - I still considered it an upgraded Avalon. It was bigger than the Camry and offered so much more - including a better, quieter ride.

I agree that the Genesis is a better comparison with the Lexus GS. However, a LOT of people cross shop it with the ES...

For #2, they automatically wipe when there is enough rain on the windshield to warrant a wipe. At least in New England, rain isn't constant. It rains hard, then mists, then hard again. All within a few minutes. Drive faster causes more frequent wipes. Plus spray from other cars also makes the frequency to wipe inconsistent. To me, that is the purpose of auto-sensing wipers. Not to leave them on all the time. To me, that's silly. Perhaps the engineer in me makes me turn things off that aren't obviously needed.

Yup, that's my opinion, exactly...

 

[BrazGenesis]

Ya the GS is more comparable. Both are RWD.

The ES is Avalon based.
The GS is comparable in RWD but is a smaller car. Great luxury, though.
I'd say, all computed, the cross shopping is more between ES and Genesis.

 

[soldonandy]

I owned a 2008 ES and traded it in for a 2013 ES and traded that in for a 2015 Genesis. I leased the Genesis AWD for $389 for three years and no money down. It was too good a deal to pass up. I will compare and contrast both cars. This is by no means an exhaustive list.

I like the looks of all three cars, but I do think that the Genesis looks the best. Inside the Genesis is nice, and the dash layout and button placements are better then the ES. The Genesis rides and handles better. It is smoother in turns. The mileage on the Genesis lags behind the ES, but I do have AWD on the Genesis and this needs to be factored in. I get about 21 MPG in mixed driving. The 10K oil change on the ES is nice compared to 7,500 recommended on the Genesis.

The placement of the USB port on the Genesis is not in the glove box, it is at arms reach, and this works much better than in the ES. The radio seems to pick up stations better in the Genesis.

Paint seems to be much better on the Genesis. The front of both ES's had many chips on the front end. The front end of the Genesis looks untouched.

The blind spot monitor on the Genesis is not as good. For example, on the Genesis when I am making a left turn and I have my turn signal on in a double left turn lane, as I make the turn a get a warning someone is in the blind spot. On the ES if the turn signal is on I think I remember that the ES disables the blind spot warning so you don't get a warning you don't need. This warning on my Genesis always alarms my passengers.

The trunk on the Genesis will open if you stand behind it for a few seconds. This feature is a Godsend and the ES needs this. The Genesis has a large hook that you can pull down and I am able to place a good number of plastic grocery bags on it. The cargo net in the ES is excellent and I was able to place a lot of goods in the net. The cargo net in the Genesis is less useful, it lays flat on the floor of the trunk.

The rain sensing wipers in the 2013 ES were perfectly tuned. The 2008 ES wipers were not as well tuned, but they were not bad. The rain sensing wipers in the Genesis are not as good as even the 2008 ES and need a lot of adjusting by the user.

Both are excellent cars. I might come back to the ES in the next generation, it is just too soon to tell. I also would not hesitate to get another Genesis.

Good feedback but oy, $389 payment, I can only imagine what they gave you for your Lexus trade.

 

[kn5owa]

You can adjust the sensitivity of the automatic wipers using the variable stalk switch, it shows up on the dash screen while you adjust it. This makes a huge difference.

True - in the auto mode - you have a manual rotary adjustment on the stalk.

But, I drove the car for 3 hours in the rain the other day - and it was a fight between me and the "auto" feature all the way. I would adjust the wipers to a slow speed - then a little splash of rain would speed them way up - got kind of tiresome

Would prefer a simple manual delay as on my Sonata.

 

[greekgeek]

Good feedback but oy, $389 payment, I can only imagine what they gave you for your Lexus trade.

Missed that part, yikes.

 

[Nikgen]

hmm weird, maybe it only happens on the Ultimate??

Mine does a single wipe when you get into the car after remote starting it if the wipers are left in Auto. However, it doesn't do this if you start it normally (i.e., no remote start).

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[YEH]

The ES is Avalon based.
The GS is comparable in RWD but is a smaller car. Great luxury, though.
I'd say, all computed, the cross shopping is more between ES and Genesis.

Disagree, esp. for the 1G Genesis.

Buyers of FWD-sedans tend not to go RWD, esp. on the snow belt.

And ever since the Genesis sedan hit the market, really haven't seen an impact on ES sales (for the last 2 yrs, ES sales have been about as good as ever).

Otoh, both GS and M/Q70 sales have been off compared to previous generations.

Having said that, Genesis buyers seem to come from a fairly wide pool of buyers.

Hyundai now has an ES competitor in SKorea - the Aslan which isn't doing so well due to overly bland styling and poor fuel economy (too heavy; needs diesel and/or a hybrid), which is larger and more luxurious than the Azera/Grandeur.

The problem w/ the Azera (aside from not offering a hybrid here yet; assuming that Hyundai is waiting until they put in their upgraded hybrid system which will launch shortly in the new Sonata hybrid) is that it doesn't offer enough rear passenger room and Hyundai priced it too high by not offering a base model, along with package issues.

Either the next gen Azera needs to improve in rear passenger space or Hyundai should bring over the Aslan as the replacement (if they can keep the price down enough).

For the next gen higher-end/lux models, Hyundai will have to undertake a weight-reduction if they want to remain competitive.

Too late for the new Equus (since basically uses an extended version of the platform underpinning the Genesis), but maybe Hyundai decided to cut some weight by going aluminum w/ the hood.

 

[CtK]

Mine does a single wipe when you get into the car after remote starting it if the wipers are left in Auto. However, it doesn't do this if you start it normally (i.e., no remote start).

Ahhhh ok that must be it, I always remote start my car.

 

[PaFromFL]

The most annoying aspect of automatic wipers is when a large number of bugs smash on your windshield causing the wipers, thinking it is raining, to smear them into long greasy streaks.

 

[BrazGenesis]

Disagree, esp. for the 1G Genesis.

Buyers of FWD-sedans tend not to go RWD, esp. on the snow belt.

And ever since the Genesis sedan hit the market, really haven't seen an impact on ES sales (for the last 2 yrs, ES sales have been about as good as ever).

Otoh, both GS and M/Q70 sales have been off compared to previous generations.

Having said that, Genesis buyers seem to come from a fairly wide pool of buyers.

Hyundai now has an ES competitor in SKorea - the Aslan which isn't doing so well due to overly bland styling and poor fuel economy (too heavy; needs diesel and/or a hybrid), which is larger and more luxurious than the Azera/Grandeur.




The problem w/ the Azera (aside from not offering a hybrid here yet; assuming that Hyundai is waiting until they put in their upgraded hybrid system which will launch shortly in the new Sonata hybrid) is that it doesn't offer enough rear passenger room and Hyundai priced it too high by not offering a base model, along with package issues.

Either the next gen Azera needs to improve in rear passenger space or Hyundai should bring over the Aslan as the replacement (if they can keep the price down enough).

For the next gen higher-end/lux models, Hyundai will have to undertake a weight-reduction if they want to remain competitive.

Too late for the new Equus (since basically uses an extended version of the platform underpinning the Genesis), but maybe Hyundai decided to cut some weight by going aluminum w/ the hood.

I am cross shopping my G1 2012 w/ ES and RX.
Excluded GS because of size and price a bit on the steep side.
Totally agree that Genesis + Equus don't even scratch the huge Lexus volumes. Lexus to Lexus and Toyota to Lexus associated to low interest rates keep the line ahead and well, healthily growing.

I much prefer RWD (Florida) but have to recognize that in a well paved small city, with speed limit of 45 MPH surrounded by straight highways it is difficult to see any difference.

Sooner of later Hyundai will have to face the dilemma of creating a new brand or not. The current position of the Azera (seems to be a great car) is concerning. (sales would need to be higher)

Hybrids may face a hard time with the current gas prices. If this lasts, very few users will need them.

 

[Sal Collaziano]

The most annoying aspect of automatic wipers is when a large number bugs smash on your windshield and the wipers, thinking it is raining, smear them into long greasy streaks.

Yeah, I hear ya. Be sure to spray windshield washer fluid as soon as that happens...

As for the Lexus GS, ES and Genesis - I think a lot of people buy the Genesis and the ES for the same reason - even though they're powered by different wheels. The ES is for somebody who wants soft, quiet, comfortable luxury like the LS offers without the large price tag. The Genesis has the same to offer. The GS is up there in price and offers a little less room and "soft" comfort.

In my opinion, most car buyers don't know or care which wheels are powering the vehicle...

 

[chronic]

The 2008 ES was so much better and of much higher quality than the BEAN COUNTING CHEAP new 6th gen ES

 

[Mithridates]

2016 ES - Predator edition. I think it looks rather good (for a giant Camry).

 

[Sal Collaziano]

2016 ES - Predator edition. I think it looks rather good (for a giant Camry).

The Lexus ES isn't actually based on the Toyota Camry anymore. It's an upgraded Toyota Avalon - which is actually a pretty impressively luxurious car if you ever sit in one or drive one. So, as an upgraded Avalon - it's a pretty nice car. That being said - and when it WAS based on the Camry - it felt nothing like it...

Now I know a lot of people don't like this new Predator-like styling - but Lexus cars are selling very well with it. I think it was a good move for Lexus. They're actually getting noticed now whereas before - their cars were so bland they'd often get over-looked...

 

[phil1980]

Isher, your cargo net is adjustable. Flat is just one position. Read the manual.

Years later this comment attracted my attention. Are you describing your 1G Genesis or 2G Genesis that was the topic of this thread? I just checked 2G's manual and it doesn't say anything beyond "To keep items from shifting in the trunk, you can use the 4 holders located in the trunk to attach the luggage net. Make sure the luggage net is securely attached to the holders in the trunk."

 

[EdP]

Years later this comment attracted my attention. Are you describing your 1G Genesis or 2G Genesis that was the topic of this thread? I just checked 2G's manual and it doesn't say anything beyond "To keep items from shifting in the trunk, you can use the 4 holders located in the trunk to attach the luggage net. Make sure the luggage net is securely attached to the holders in the trunk."

IMO, t is about the least useful cargo net I've had. If you have a box or two it can hold them down, but do nothing for some items that would easily fit in a cradle type holder. Don't forget about the bag hooks though. Easily missed and forgotten about.