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Goodbye G70

Plenty of VAG owners have tried to argue that and have failed. I'm sure you could take them to court over it, but would you really want to?

I realize that this isn't that relevant to Todd, because we all own Genesis G70s, but it's my reason for being on the safe side.
But that’s the argument. Todd could have taken them to court but why should he have to go through that? He decided not to and to just sell the car instead. If any company is voiding warranties wholesale like this it’s wrong and anti consumer just because they know they have more time and resources to spend on court
 
Plenty of VAG owners have tried to argue that and have failed. I'm sure you could take them to court over it, but would you really want to?

I realize that this isn't that relevant to Todd, because we all own Genesis G70s, but it's my reason for being on the safe side.

Good to know. I had a friend years ago who bought an extended warranty for his Golf that was completely stock and they wouldn't cover some expensive repairs.

I came from being a long time Honda owner where reliability was taken for granted.

Don't think I would consider a VAG...
 
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I stopped myself from writing this earlier but here it is.
I have 3 Genesis dealerships in my state that I have had extensive interactions with. I think there's like 8 total in my state, not sure.
None of which that I'm 100%, without any doubt, confident in.
This is due to their lack of knowledge on these vehicles, neglect, subtle smartass comments whenever I express my concerns in details.
At the end of the day, did Todd DESERVE to lose his warranty? Maybe. Maybe not. That's a whole different conversation that I don't think we should have on this specific thread.
That aside, did his dealership show negligence and poor workmanship? Absolutely. You can't honestly deny that.
 
Andr3Stacks - all good points. In the end, we have to trust and respect our dealerships when it comes to work done on our cars - our investments. Without that, we feel cheated and alone.

Fortunately, my G80 is an older style/model with more techs that know how to work on it. I am not impressed at all with the dealerships and service attitude. I'll only take my car in when I have to - I'm doing my own oil changes even though they're offered free. I'll let them change air and cabin filters, and rotate tires, but if I ever need serious with done - I can only only pray they get it right.
 
Man Todd sorry to hear this after all that's happened to you - I truly appreciated all of your informative posts over the years and you should definitely let us know what you end up replacing it with.
 
Modifications to a vehicle don't by default void a warranty. It really depends on what was done and if the modification played a part in creating an issue. It's not an either or situation where for example you change your wheels and suddenly have no drivetrain warranty.
It could be a case that would go to arbitration for a better resolution. What really counts is what Todd wants. He can always look for a legal resolution and the BS that goes with it. He can also make the choice he did make and just be done with the situation and move on. If Todd's OK with it, I'm OK with it.
He will be missed here as he is a solid, knowledgeable contributor.
 
Take it easy Todd, good luck with your next vehicle as well as everything else in your future. Given the knowledge, perseverance, work ethic and willingness to help others you have shown I have no doubt it will be a bright one.
 
I honestly think I would have been more surprised if based off the amount of mods done to your car that it didn't void the warranty in some way. I mean wasn't there WMI and ECU flashes involved and just about every bolt-on that's been made for the G70 and some even for the Stinger?
I'm pretty sure if I were looking to purposefully void my warranty then these things would certainly be the first thing I tried lol. A limited warranty with dealer/Genesis approval for future work is about the best case I would have reasonably expected if it were me in this situation. Your service dept doing shoddy workmanship is another thing altogether and it makes total sense for you to want to cut ties and avoid that nonsense though.

Good luck with your next car! I've really enjoyed your contributions to the site in short time I've been here.
 
Not that @Toddasaurus needs me to do so, but I feel this should be called out: he did not have all those mods at the time this happened

Ah, sorry if that's the case then that's really crappy about the warranty. I must be thinking of a different car - I thought Todd's was modded out the ass. I'm still pretty new and learning about everyone's rides and mods.
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Ah, sorry if that's the case then that's really crappy about the warranty. I must be thinking of a different car - I thought Todd's was modded out the ass. I'm still pretty new and learning about everyone's rides and mods.
It is. But he did most of those mods after this warranty thing happened
 
Not that @Toddasaurus needs me to do so, but I feel this should be called out: he did not have all those mods at the time this happened
One of his first modifications, if not the first, was to change his primary downpipes. This required removal of the turbo and a turbo stud snapped when removal was in progress. As a regular reader here from that time we subsequently learned it was not a bizarre event. (Others have had similar trouble, though apparent only later than his trouble.) This meant he was in deeper than he could have expected. He had it towed to the dealer who informed him the engine would have to be removed, in total, and a special engine table ordered, at his expense, in order for the technicians to perform the repair. 1,000$, as I recall. They would then keep this engine table which he would have purchased (!?!) This was over the top. He had it towed back to his home and with his tools and time and perhaps an additional tool or two, he completed the removal of the turbo and for peace of mind installed a new Genesis brand turbo to take its place. His dealer then moved against him. He decided to abandon the downpipes mod at that point and move on with his other projects.
The dealer knows nothing about any modification he performed. Only that he declined their "repair" proposal.
I am going from memory but think I have this right.
 
I see. My apologies! I didn't understand the timeline and order of events. Thats real crummy to revoke the warranty like that. Makes more sense now that if there's no warranty than might as well start squeezing all the performance you can out of it for fun. Bummer situation.
 
AND he managed to replace the turbo WITHOUT pulling the motor. Todd's research and perseverance paid off. The dealer is a bunch of losers.
 
I understand where you're coming from. Thanks for being a great resource to the G70 community. People will be reading your how to guides and other great posts for years to come.
 
I am an infrequent contributor to this forum. Gave more help to the financing side of a g70 than mechanical. I live near todd. I thought I had finally spotted his silver g70 yesterday so I messaged him to say so. Didn’t realize he dumped the car ! I too would like to thank him for his many posts. He helped me when I was looking for a silver g70. I settled for a white one instead and I do love it. Anyway I also use that Vancouver dealer but that have only done one oil change. Thanks to covid I am at only 11k miles in 18 months. I got my car in Seattle. Now I am paranoid for oil change #2. Haha
 
Best of luck, Todd. I’m strongly considering a G70 purchase and in the few short weeks I’ve been looking at the forums have appreciated your posts.
 
Totally get it. First indication of a major issue that requires significant work by a dealership, my car will be gone too. I have zero confidence in any of my local dealerships nor do I want a new car that requires removal if the engine and trans. I know that it would never be the same. Heck two dealerships couldn't even fix a driver seat motor properly and I had to wait two weeks for them to troubleshoot a short in my infotainment system that required the replacement of one of my headlights of all things.

Good luck Todd
 
Yo @Toddasaurus what are you driving/going to be driving now??
 
As alluded to in other posts, I let my G70 go. There are a couple reasons why...

First, the treatment I received at my local Genesis dealership after dealing with a broken turbo flange stud (due to my failed attempt at installing primary DP's). Their sheer incompetence, and attempting to charge me for tools, I ended up repairing it on my own by replacing the entire passenger side turbo with a brand new OEM part directly from Genesis. Despite using all new hardware and gaskets, and following each step as outlined in the FSM, Genesis - at the discretion of my dealership - revoked my full warranty down to a sort of partial warranty. The explanation that the Genesis rep gave to me didn't make much sense, nor did the reasoning; but, simply put, other than cutting down the length of the warranty to that of a 2nd owner/transfer warranty, they also told me they would have to have special authorization to complete any warranty work in the future.

After completing my repair of my G70, I decided to give my dealership one more chance by seeing if they could do my first complimentary service on the car. After calling the service manager, she explained to me that my current warranty doesn't cover complimentary oil changes/services; but, ultimately decided to 'go the extra mile' and allow complimentary services for one year. Irritated, I eventually figured I would just go for it and let them at least change my oil for free. After getting my car back, I spoke with the tech who drove my car back to my house. He was a pleasant guy, so I chatted him up about cars, and eventually about mods. He reinforced what the dealership had told me prior to this - ANY modifications and they will void my warranty. Anyway, later on, I decided to inspect their work and noticed a significantly overtorqued drain plug to the point where the washer was completely deformed and I was surprised the threads weren't stripped in the block. Also, the oil filter cartridge was crossthreaded and leaking.

By this time I had spent months going back and forth with my dealership, and Genesis corporate about my warranty - and to top it all off it was clear that my dealer was absolutely inept at performing even routine maintenance. I had completely lost trust in Genesis and my dealership.

Fast forward to a couple weeks ago, when doing my 10,000 mile oil change I noticed leaking fluid at the bottom of my bellhousing. Prior to this, I had seen increasing reports of leaking in this area both on the G70 and the Stinger, either being attributed to a rear main seal leak, or a leak from the transmission side. When I saw that my car shared this same leak, I could only assume that my car had one or the other of those two aforementioned problems. Whichever it was didn't matter, as the diagnosis would require the same work - the engine and transmission would have to be removed from the car, and separated to inspect the interior of the bellhousing.

Considering my experience with my local dealership I knew that I would be taking a substantial risk to bring it to them for repair. First, there would be a significant chance that they wouldn't repair it under warranty, considering how much frustration I went through with them in the past which ended up with me losing my full warranty. Second, even if they went ahead with the repair (whether under warranty or if I paid out of pocket) how could I trust them to complete the job properly? How could I be sure they wouldn't screw something else up, and weasel their way out of any responsibility? How would my resale value look if my car had new problems after a "repair" by my incompetent dealership?

It was clear to me that if I wanted my car fixed, I'd most likely have to be up for a fight. My state only has one dealership, located in the center of the state. The other dealership that is close to me is the one that I had problems with (Genesis of Vancouver, WA). So, if I wanted any chance of a repair being done right, I'd have to drive 4hrs away from home, then find a way back, and hope and pray that Genesis would honor the mistake of THEIR poor quality control during the assembly line. No seal should be leaking on a new car with only 10,000 miles on it.

I decided to remove all my modifications in preparation to bring it to that dealership... But, by the time I had everything removed I realized something. I didn't love my car anymore. In fact, I hated it. All I saw in my car was the reminder of how poorly Genesis USA has treated me, along with my local dealership. All I could see were the shortcomings of my car, all the things I wanted it to be but it clearly wasn't. After spending the last 1.5 years of using most of my free time on my car, instead of with the short time I'm able to see my wife each week, and ending up with this icon of frustration to show for it - I realized that, for me, this isn't worth it.

Maybe the farther away dealership could properly repair my car. Maybe even Genesis would honor it as a warranty service. Maybe everything would be fine. But, considering my experience up to that point I decided it wasn't worth it. It wasn't worth the anxiety, stress, and strain on me or my family, no matter what the outcome. I decided that it would be better to sell the car as soon as possible.

So that's what I did. I sold my car to a local dealership. I figured a dealership would have the resources and warranty to repair the leak in the bellhousing. Whomever buys the car next should have the comfort and reassurance that their dealership can fix what's wrong if it ends up causing any problems without having to pay for it. If I were to sell it privately, there would be no guarantee of that; but, by selling it to a dealer (non-genesis), there would be a surety of some form of warranty for the next buyer.

As for me, I lost a lot of money; but, I gained a lot of relief.

I want to say that I have truly appreciated everyone on this forum. I like the people here, and I feel that I consider myself to have very similar interests and values as most members here. I'll probably stick around for a little while, both to see what is going on in the Genesis world, and also to sell all of my aftermarket parts.

Take a look in the classifieds section for my parts for sale. As of this writing, there are a few things that people have already called dibs on. I'll post everything that isn't already called for.

Thanks everyone, and good luck.
I agree with everything you said. And I truly believe Genesis's service dept will never be as attentive or just plain willing to help the customer until they are finally their own dealership with no ties to Hyundai! As for my G70 3.3t, I am currently fighting with Genesis to resolve a simple cosmetic issue which is warranty. Also, the closest dealership is an hour away and I have never been treated with so much disrespect and carelessness from a dealership in all my life! It seems to me the people in the service department of "Rick Case" Hyundai/Genesis, in Duluth, Georgia feel it's a burden on them when someone pulls up in a Genesis. This is just an observation, but a very accurate one.
 
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