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How's the Genesis 3.8 braking performance?

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How's the Genesis 3.8 braking performance? Do advise to install some aftermarket braking systems like Brembo or etc braking system kits?
 
I have the 2010 3.8 V6 and I must say that the breaking is really nice. IMO I am going to stick with what is on the car now because... A- its under 100 miles and I have no need to spend money on things that aren't needed and B the system feels much nicer then my friends BMW 5 series.

However, I am sure that if you upgraded things would be even better but IDK if its necessary.
 
I would rate it as very good, and above average for its class.
 
What I'd like to see is the four piston calipers(from the V8) on a V6.
With it's lighter weight, it'll perform even better than the V8!

Dan
 
Hello everybody,

Thanks for your advisements. I asked this question because my Azera's breaking performance is not so good. It needs more presser on the pedal and feels heavy. When I asked my Hyundai service center, They said that this is the problem of all Azeras. So I wanted to know that does Genesis has the same problem? But it looks like the answer is no and Genesis's performance is great.

Thank u
 
Having owned the Azera for 3 years (2006 to 2009)...you'll freak out how much of a difference it is between the 2.

The Azera's brakes needs to be pressed very hard compared to the Genesis.
You'll need a little bit of time to adjust.

I have the V8 and am totally impressed with the breaking performance and trust me you don't have to press hard at all.

:welcome:
 
Hello,

Yes I was freaked out very much, Because I had a very bad accident with my Azera because of the braking system weakness problem about 1 year ego!

Since I want to buy 3.8, Please describe about V6's braking performance not V8.

Thank u
 
Hello,

Yes I was freaked out very much, Because I had a very bad accident with my Azera because of the braking system weakness problem about 1 year ego!

Since I want to buy 3.8, Please describe about V6's braking performance not V8.

Thank u

How fast were you going? I have never heard of any Hyundai having issues with brakes and safety. According to police and insurance companies, failure to brake in time is usually due to traveling too fast and not paying attention. There are exceptions of course, like when someone just stops suddenly or pulls out in front of you but those situations are not due to braking issues, just not enough time to react. Did you file a complaint with the NHTSA or with Hyundai with regards to brake weakness? Did you file an accident report and did the police agree that it was weak brakes? Just curious as I have a child about your age and she also seems to find issues with my vehicles braking and acceleration that I do not experience. Might be an age thing...lol
 
I was driving about 90 Km/h in the speed line. A Mazda 3 in the 2nd line tried to antedate from a truck that was driving in the 3rd line, Then its rear bumper stuck to the truck's front bumper and it forced the Mazda to turn around and put it right in front of me! I think my reaction was in the right time, But my breaks didn't work out as they should be. So I hit the Mazda in the B pillar!

But the funny thing is there was nothing left from that poor Mazda, But nothing serious happened to my car. It was look like I hit the car in a tree with 15 Km/h! My father has also driven with my car many times and he also said the same thing, The braking performance is not as good as it should be.

This is Iran, Police doesn't check such things! I have never seen that they check out all of these conditions in a car accident! They only draw a map of accident and then decide who is guilty. In my accident the Mazda 3 known guilty.

My damage was not serious, But this "Not serious damage" cost me about 3,000$! Because cars and their parts are very expensive in my country, Specially imported cars. Also, When I asked my Hyundai service center about this problem they said that this is the problem of all Azeras, I have Azera 3.3 2007.
 
I'm surprised by your comments on the Azera's braking performance. My folks have one and I end up chauffeuring them when I visit or when they visit so I've driven it many times. I find the normal braking performance and pedal forces to be quite nice actually. I've never had to emergency stop though so I haven't experienced braking conditions similar to your accident.

My folks owned a Subaru before the Azera... that one you had to push the pedal a long way - and get a fair bit of force - to get any response out of it. I thought it had a mechanical problem initially... until I drove other Subies and they were similar. When my folks bought the Azera (I was with them and ended up driving it home for them) I warned mom about the difference in the brakes - that it was much more sensitive than her Subie was. Just rolling backwards out the driveway she "hit" the brake pedal and nearly flipped my head backwards over the headrest. It took her a few miles to adapt to the much more sensitive Azera brakes.

I tend to prefer a firmer pedal - not as much travel - as so many cars have today. In fact, I don't care for the varying pedal feel of the Genesis! When slowly applying the brakes it takes a lot of travel to get any significant braking force; when quickly applying they build up more rapidly. I wish they'd stay at that "rapid" setting all the time. I've never had any issue with how fast my Genesis stops though... just the feel of the pedal.

A few things for you to consider/test on the Azera to make sure it's working properly:
1: of course any air in the brake lines will severely limit stopping power. Any idea when the system was last bled?

2: if the vacuum booster on the Azera leaks (on any car really) it'll take a LOT of pedal force to stop the vehicle. If the check valve on the booster leaks that can reduce the booster effectiveness. To check a booster do these simple tests: engine off, pump the brake pedal a few times. Each time it should get harder sooner (less travel) as you use up trapped vacuum in the booster. Once it's hard as a rock how far can you push it with light pressure? If it moves more than an inch, the "freeplay" of the brake pedal linkage is way too high or your auto-adjusting mechanism (rear/parking brakes) is locked up leading to excessive gap between the rotor and pads. If the freeplay isn't much, continue the tests: push the pedal down firmly and hold it while starting the engine. Once the engine begins to catch, the pedal should sink a LOT as the vacuum builds up in the booster again. Push the brakes a time or two while the engine idles. Then let the engine idle for a few seconds, foot off the brakes, and then shut the engine off - still foot off the brakes. Once the engine has stopped, apply the brakes slowly two times. The pedal should go down quite a ways BOTH times; after two applications it'll be harder to push it fully. Most cars are designed with boosters large enough to trap enough vacuum for 2 full brake cycles. Next, restart the engine for a few seconds, foot off the pedal again. Then shut the engine off and let the vehicle sit for several hours. Try applying the brakes again (engine still off) twice. If the pedal is stiffer now the booster has a slow leak, or the check valve is leaking. If your Azera can pass these tests, the vacuum braking system is working normally.

3: Does the Azera have "factory" brake pads or have they been replaced? Many aftermarket ones, especially the "lifetime guarantee" ones sold by brake shops, are very hard. They grip poorly compared to good pads. And, by being so hard, they're abrasive and will wear out the brake rotors much faster (generating future repair business for that brake shop).

4: If the brakes ever got really hot (riding the brakes while going downhill, several high-speed stops in a row, parking brake didn't release fully or brakes were dragging for some other reason, etc.) the rotors or brake pads may be "glazed." Glazing causes the rotor or pad surfaces to get rock-hard and have little friction/grip. Glazed rotors can sometimes be repaired by a brake shop "turning" the rotors (basically using a metal lathe to cut a thin layer of damaged metal off the rotor); glazed pads should be replaced. Look at the rotors through the wheel spokes... if you see any blue streaks in the rotors, they've definitely been overheated and will need to be replaced - usually blue-streaked rotors are too damaged for a simple turning.

5: Look at the rubber hoses going from the brake calipers (behind the rims, you may have to remove the wheels one by one to see them) to the chassis. While staring at those hoses, have a helper mash the brake pedal. If you can see ANY hose trying to grow in diameter or bulge, that hose is SHOT and is about to burst. It must be replaced immediately. Any signs of wetness at the ends of the hoses?

6: If you really want to examine the braking system, jack the vehicle up. Remove each wheel one by one. Look at the outside edge of the caliper assembly; most have a small oval-shaped cutout so you can see the edges of the brake pads. Look at the pads: you'll see a metal part (about 3 to 5 millimeters thick typically... I don't know the Azera parts off-hand) and the friction material which is anywhere from 2 millimeters thick (really worn brakes) to 7 millimeters (brand new pads). And you'll see the silver or rust colored edge of the rotor itself. Look at the friction material on the two pads: they should be the SAME THICKNESS. If one pad is considerably thinner than the other there is something WRONG with the caliper: it's binding on it's "sliding" bolts and/or the piston (that pushes on the inner pad) has a layer of rust on it and is jamming to the caliper body when you release the brakes. Remember how thick the friction material is on this wheel... go to the other side of the car now and check the twin wheel (i.e. compare front wheel to front wheel, back wheel to back wheel) and see how thick the friction material is on that side. If they differ much, the braking action is not consistent side-to-side on the vehicle - another problem. That usually means issues with the calipers again, or air in the brake lines. A really screwed-up ABS can also do that if the wheel speed sensor for one wheel is reading incorrectly. On cars with Electronic Stability Control (ESC) such a sensor makes the ESC system think the vehicle is constantly in a spin and it'll either light up the dash ESC warning light or will just continually try to "fix" the spin while you drive... leading to weird driving characteristics. Most cars wear out the front brake pads twice as often as the rear (weight transfer under braking to the front, and FWD cars tend to start nose-heavy anyway); has the Azera's maintenance history indicated many more front brake pad replacements than rear? (if you've owned it long enough to go through several sets of brakes that is...)

7: when parking the vehicle, do you use the parking brake or just rely on the auto transmission's "Park pawl" to hold the vehicle? On almost every car made in the last few decades, the parking brake shares parts with the regular foot ("service") brakes. That's a mechanical mechanism to combine hydraulic pressure activated brakes (service brake) with the cable parking/emergency brake. That mechanism self-adjusts to compensate for brake pad wear each time you use the parking brake. Folks that never use the parking brake will end up with excessive pad-to-rotor-gap as the rear brake pads wear down from normal brake use. This gap requires extra brake pedal push/travel; it "uses up" a lot of the available pedal travel before the rest of the braking system works. (front brakes don't have this "gap" issue because, without the parking brake mechanical bits, there is nothing that pulls the pads away from the rotors in the first place). Just about every car sold today uses a dual-chamber brake master cylinder (the thing your brake pedal connects to). The first chamber operates the rear brakes, pressurizing the brake fluid in those lines to actually apply the rear brakes. Once that pressure really starts building up - which means the pads are actually in contact with the rotor and have moved through any pad-to-rotor gap - that pressure in turn starts pushing on the front chamber of the master cylinder. THEN the front brakes begin to apply. This dual-chamber approach makes sure both the front and rear brakes engage - regardless of any "gaps" in the pad to rotors. Excessive gaps though mean too much of your available pedal travel is consumed just getting past the gaps.

mike c.

p.s. I don't mean to imply/say your perception of the Azera's braking performance is incorrect - I'm just providing info on potential mechanical problems that may explain poorly performing brakes. I've found several newer cars (1990-later) have lousy feeling brake pedals by design - lots of pedal travel needed to stop hard compared to my older vehicles. I much prefer a "firm" pedal myself... that's why I don't like the "feel" of the Genesis brake pedal though the brakes do seem to work well. I drove a brand-new Celica years ago (a rental); I could bottom-out that pedal without locking the wheels (no ABS on that car either) which I did NOT like at all! I hope the Azera is not like this - I'll have to test-drive my folks Azera (without them in the car!) to see if it is that bad.
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Hello,

Sorry that I replied your message very late. I checked item 1 and 2, there was no problem. About item 3, I always replace braking pads with the factory pads (Or better to say the pads the Hyundai service center installs on it). About item 4, I don't think any of them had happened before. About item 5, I haven't seen any wetness. I haven't check for item 6 yet. About item 7, I use both of them. "P" mode and parking brake together.

I don't know but maybe Hyundai use different pads for US market. Like they use different tires for US market.

Thanks for your advisement.
 
This is Iran, Police doesn't check such things! I have never seen that they check out all of these conditions in a car accident! They only draw a map of accident and then decide who is guilty. In my accident the Mazda 3 known guilty..

The Police are the same, no matter what country. They are all alike.
 
Motor Trend tested the V8 and the V6
60-0mph:
V8: 116 feet
V6: 119 feet
Motor Trend Tested Lexus ES350:
60-0mph:127ft
Car and Driver Tested the Buick LaCrosse vs. Ford Taurus, Hyundai Genesis, Lexus ES350 - Comparison Tests
70-0 mph braking:
Buick 178ft
Ford: 184ft
Lexus 184ft
Hyundai: 170ft

The answer is that in terms of braking it's best in class, pretty much everything else as well, except plush ride quality.
 
Pretty good record for the Genesis! I like that.
 
I have had a 2009 Genesis 3.8 for about 9 months. I consider the braking, acceleration, and handling, to be very good. I personally think the added power of the V-8 does not offset its weight and cost. The suspension provides a bit more chop on bad roads than my 06 Sonata but I would never change the handling to the Sonata level in order to reduce the chop. On good roads it is a dream. The only real complaint I have is the doggone auto lights keep switching on and off when the sensor gets in the shade even when the sun is still well in the sky (four hours from sundown). I have to switch the lights off just to read the instruments.
 
I have had a 2009 Genesis 3.8 for about 9 months. I consider the braking, acceleration, and handling, to be very good. I personally think the added power of the V-8 does not offset its weight and cost. The suspension provides a bit more chop on bad roads than my 06 Sonata but I would never change the handling to the Sonata level in order to reduce the chop. On good roads it is a dream. The only real complaint I have is the doggone auto lights keep switching on and off when the sensor gets in the shade even when the sun is still well in the sky (four hours from sundown). I have to switch the lights off just to read the instruments.
2 things that may help you.
1. The auto light sensor may be dirty. It's against the windshield on the driver side. Looks like a little black dome. Wipe it down with a cloth and some water.
2. You can adjust the intensity of the instrument cluster using a scroll wheel to the left of the steering column.

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Auto light's sensors are sensitive to a specific measure of light. If light's measure may drop from that specific measure, the light will be turned on. My Azera is just like that too. Even in the middle of the noon, if I drive my car under a shade, they will be turned on.
 
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