Is the Genesis ok?

[dg_moore]

So here's my question. I've been unhappy with the reliability of my 5 series but I love driving it in the mountains here in California. I'm no racer; I'm nowhere near pushing the envelope, but the car feels like it is on rails going around a turn.

My wife's lexus is fine for her but isn't anywhere near as stable on twisty roads.

I don't expect a Genesis to feel like a BMW, but is it close?

For what it's worth, I wasn't impressed with the MB E series although it's better than lexus in handling. I thought the M37 was pretty good but I can't take any car on a testdrive to where I really can see what it's like.

Maybe you need to find a dealer in an area where you can challenge the car on a test drive. My dealer (in MD) gave me the keyfob and told me to go as far as I want for as long as I want - that's the way to treat a customer! Actually, I went probably 10 miles on mixed types of roads and was sold inside 30 minutes, but I could have gone all day...

 

[bradyb]

So here's my question. I've been unhappy with the reliability of my 5 series but I love driving it in the mountains here in California. I'm no racer; I'm nowhere near pushing the envelope, but the car feels like it is on rails going around a turn.

My wife's lexus is fine for her but isn't anywhere near as stable on twisty roads.

I don't expect a Genesis to feel like a BMW, but is it close?

For what it's worth, I wasn't impressed with the MB E series although it's better than lexus in handling. I thought the M37 was pretty good but I can't take any car on a testdrive to where I really can see what it's like.

an answer about the handling. The Genesis is no slush-box (2009) I upgraded from an xj-8. I found the jag to be "disconnected" from the road for my liking in spirited driving conditions; switch-backs and canyons. Many people have found the '09 genesis to be a bit too harsh in ride quality. I however, have found it to be the perfect combination of instant road communication, drive-ability, and performance. It won;t rattle your kidneys, but you will get instant feedback on the road, corners, and tire holding!

 

[Stoofpilot]

You have asked the same question twice about the handling. You need to go and visit a Hyundai dealer and drive the V8. I looked at the MB E class and the Genesis blew it away.

 

[ajls09873]

Genesis = full size (interior & exterior)
Infiniti M, Lexus GS, MB E-class, BMW 5 series = mid size

Enough said.

 

[TJPark01]

So here's my question. I've been unhappy with the reliability of my 5 series but I love driving it in the mountains here in California. I'm no racer; I'm nowhere near pushing the envelope, but the car feels like it is on rails going around a turn.

My wife's lexus is fine for her but isn't anywhere near as stable on twisty roads.

I don't expect a Genesis to feel like a BMW, but is it close?

For what it's worth, I wasn't impressed with the MB E series although it's better than lexus in handling. I thought the M37 was pretty good but I can't take any car on a testdrive to where I really can see what it's like.

For what you're describing yes, it's pretty close. I would say the two issues that the car somewhat falls down on is:
1. 0-30mph on uneven city roads. The car tends to bounce around a bit. Once you get it up to highway speeds it's flat, comfortable and confidence inspiring. (If you are a BMW/Infiniti guy, won't bother you), (Mercedes/Lexus type, this car isn't for you).
2. The other place the car isn't at it's best is, high speed on ramp or off ramp. There is a bit of body roll, not enough where it can't be controlled, but it's there. Of course this is a very large car and 4k lbs, so it's to be expected.

I'm kinda nit picking here, because everything else about the car is exceptional. Including being 30k less than a comparably equipped 535i. This car represents one of the best values in new cars right now. You get a lot of content for <40k. No other car comes even close to delivering this much luxury and performance for such few $. The only thing you have to get over is the Hyundai stigma, which, considering the cars they are putting out right now, shouldn't be an issue. However, for what ever reason,some people still have a hard time getting over it.

 

[stevej2001]

Thanks all. I'm going to seek out a V8 and see. Fortunately I've got time to do this right.

I appreciate all of the advice I've gotten and will be lurking here while I make up my mind.

 

[TJPark01]

Thanks all. I'm going to seek out a V8 and see. Fortunately I've got time to do this right.

I appreciate all of the advice I've gotten and will be lurking here while I make up my mind.

If you can wait a year, the 429-hp direct-injected 5.0-liter version of the Tau V8 rumored to be on the horizon, looks scary good. (of course it will be more, but considering the already low entry point and the fact that you're shopping even more expensive cars, a couple grand may not matter to you). Just a thought.

 

[krunchy]

I've had my 2010 4.8 for four months now and have nothing but praise for it. To address your questions:

1. I am an audio systems designer and think I have a pretty good ear and the Genesis is hands down the BEST factory audio system I have heard in any car. I has some operating quirks that make it sometimes difficult to navigate your Ipod but the sound quality is superb. If you are a real audio freak like me the addition of a good after-market sub and amplifier makes the system simply perfect. I bought the car for its sound system and have not been disappointed.

2. I have had no problems with the car at all. I took it to the dealer for it's first scheduled maintenance and was pleased with the reasonable charge for an oil change and full inspection.

3. I mostly drive in the city but recently had the opportunity to take the car on a road trip and challenge it with some twisty mountain back roads in central BC. I was most impressed with the handling and the power. For a while, a kid in a new 2010 camaro tried to keep up with me but could not. In a sweeping left curve I came over a rise at 130 KmH (80mph) to find a deer standing in the middle of the road and found that the ABS and traction control work REAL GOOD and can haul this car to a stop amazingly fast. I'm totally happy with the handling.

All this being said, test drive the 4.6 and bring along some good quality audio CDs or DVDs to listen to so that you can check out the amazing sound quality. If you have any good quality 5.1 audio DVD's bring them. It's a real treat to listen to full surround sound audio while driging. If audio is important go for the tech package with the 17 speaker system. I know you will be impressed.

Good luck with the test drive.

 

[sarge]

Now from the other side of the isle:

The Genesis is a fine car. Personally, I like the way it handles and love the ride. The cabin layout with the DIS (not the touch screen) is supurb. The little, totaly unnecessary touches - cooled drivers seat, rear window screen, etc - seperate it from anything else in it's price class. The V8 has power aplenty. The sound system is very nice. Although I am not an audiophile, I do enjoy music. The GF and I enjoy going to the Sonic, ordering a burger, and watching a movie in the car. I must admit that I love the looks/comments I get when I drive the Genesis.

If I had to do it all over again, I'd never buy another one. The problems with the DIS/NAA/etc have been so frustrating, and Hyundais handling of the issue so inept, that I'll probably never buy another Hyundai period. It's been in the shop 11 times now for warranty issues - 9 of them for the DIS.

Mine is a lemon, and the odds are very good that the issues are confined to a relatively small proportion of the '09 models. There are enough distinct instances of this particular issu documented on this forum to give one reasonable pause, however. The Genesis is a (relatively) tiny production run, and only a very small percentage of Genesis owners with this problem will have posted to this forum. So - the problem may well be much larger than the impression you might have gotten from this thread. On the other hand, it may also be as small as the other posters are saying. Caveat Emptor - you rolls the dice and you takes your chances.

Good luck with your choice either way.

 

[robthoke]

I've got an 09 4.6 w/Tech Pkg. I recently took it on a 8000+mile trip across the US. The Genesis is amazing. You are as comfortable at 7 p.m. as you are at 7a.m. It never complains and the power is great. I averaged just a shade over 27mpg and I run at 78mph.

I've owned all the so called great brands - Mercedes, BMW, Audi, Acura, and about 45 other cars. This is hands down the best vehicle I've ever owned. The Lexicon system is without a doubt the best OEM system you will ever hear. I don't understand people who are so adament with their hatred of Hyundai when they've never ever sat in one. There is not another vehicle on the market right now I'd trade my Genesis for - unless it was another Genesis.

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[STREETS]

I think this is why Hyundai now surpasses all in customer loyalty. I a few short years, Hyundai has become the hottest car company in the world. Dollar for dollar, fit & finish- true value and excellence- My Genesis, neighbors' new 2010 Santa Fe Limited, 2011 Sonata SE and 2010 Tuscon Limited- I feel are tops in their class.
3 years ago I would have never guessed I would be driving a Hyundai and I do not think I am alone to say I won't be driving anything else in the foreeseable future.

 

[MichaelOne]

Hands down the best car I've ever owned. Nearly 10,000 miles on her and not a single problem other than the steering wheel tilt limit switch, which was replaced at the first oil change and has not been an issue since.

 

[Anathem]

Now from the other side of the isle:

The Genesis is a fine car. Personally, I like the way it handles and love the ride. The cabin layout with the DIS (not the touch screen) is supurb. The little, totaly unnecessary touches - cooled drivers seat, rear window screen, etc - seperate it from anything else in it's price class. The V8 has power aplenty. The sound system is very nice. Although I am not an audiophile, I do enjoy music. The GF and I enjoy going to the Sonic, ordering a burger, and watching a movie in the car. I must admit that I love the looks/comments I get when I drive the Genesis.

If I had to do it all over again, I'd never buy another one. The problems with the DIS/NAA/etc have been so frustrating, and Hyundais handling of the issue so inept, that I'll probably never buy another Hyundai period. It's been in the shop 11 times now for warranty issues - 9 of them for the DIS.

Mine is a lemon, and the odds are very good that the issues are confined to a relatively small proportion of the '09 models. There are enough distinct instances of this particular issu documented on this forum to give one reasonable pause, however. The Genesis is a (relatively) tiny production run, and only a very small percentage of Genesis owners with this problem will have posted to this forum. So - the problem may well be much larger than the impression you might have gotten from this thread. On the other hand, it may also be as small as the other posters are saying. Caveat Emptor - you rolls the dice and you takes your chances.

Good luck with your choice either way.

As a prospective (and at this point very highly likely) buyer, reliability is an important factor in my choice. True delta gives the Genesis pretty good marks in this area with repair trips/year per 100 of 51 for the 2009 and 29 for the 2010, and a lemon liklihood of <1% and a 65% chance of no repair trips at all. Also in following the forum 2 areas seem to dominate the "complaints." Ride/suspension which is highly subjective and problems with NAV/DIS. All in all my confidence in the mechanical reliability of the Genesis is quite high. Correct me if I'm off base.

 

[dg_moore]

As a prospective (and at this point very highly likely) buyer, reliability is an important factor in my choice. True delta gives the Genesis pretty good marks in this area with repair trips/year per 100 of 51 for the 2009 and 29 for the 2010, and a lemon liklihood of <1% and a 65% chance of no repair trips at all. Also in following the forum 2 areas seem to dominate the "complaints." Ride/suspension which is highly subjective and problems with NAV/DIS. All in all my confidence in the mechanical reliability of the Genesis is quite high. Correct me if I'm off base.

As a sample of 1, I'd say you are on the mark. I've been reading this forum for a couple of years, and my impression is that there have been lots of problems with Nav/DIS, and a lot of controversy about ride quality. I haven't had any problems with either - I'm very happy with my Genesis.

 

[sarge]

As a prospective (and at this point very highly likely) buyer, reliability is an important factor in my choice. True delta gives the Genesis pretty good marks in this area with repair trips/year per 100 of 51 for the 2009 and 29 for the 2010, and a lemon liklihood of <1% and a 65% chance of no repair trips at all. Also in following the forum 2 areas seem to dominate the "complaints." Ride/suspension which is highly subjective and problems with NAV/DIS. All in all my confidence in the mechanical reliability of the Genesis is quite high. Correct me if I'm off base.

Off base with your confidence level? I can't answer that question. It sounds like you've done the reasearch and are armed with enough valid knowledge to make an informed decision. The odds are probably long in favor of any single Genesis performing as expected - and as I've already allowed, it is a sweet car.

My Genesis is a bonefide Lemon - and I've only owned one Genesis. My boss bought a Genesis (based on my recommendation), and it failed (TPMS). It was a buy-back. These are the only two Genesis' that I know, so my failure rate is exactly 100%. Hyundai handled his buy-back well enough that he replaced it with a 2010 Genesis. The frustrations with having a $40K vehicle that has (so far) completely failed to perform as expected is pretty high. This frustration, however, is minor compared to the frustration with the way Hyundai America has handled my problem. I've owned 4 previous Hyundai's. All were completely satisfactory. If HMA had simply taken care of the issues with my Genesis, I'd still be a loyal Hyundai owner today, and would almost certainly own a 2010 Genesis.

 

[Mark_888]

an answer about the handling. The Genesis is no slush-box (2009) I upgraded from an xj-8. I found the jag to be "disconnected" from the road for my liking in spirited driving conditions; switch-backs and canyons. Many people have found the '09 genesis to be a bit too harsh in ride quality. I however, have found it to be the perfect combination of instant road communication, drive-ability, and performance. It won;t rattle your kidneys, but you will get instant feedback on the road, corners, and tire holding!

There are actually 2 different suspensions for the 2009 model year depending on build date. The early 2009's built before April 2009, and those built after April 2009 (I have forgot the exact cutover date in April 2009, but it is posted on this forum by a Hyundai Tech). The later models incorporated some suspension tuning that make it ride better than the early 2009 models.

Additional suspension tuning was done for the 2010 models (2011 is the same) to make the ride even better (but still firm), and actually improve handling.

Changes to the suspension tuning included adjusting spring and shock rates, and slightly different stabilizer bars. The early 2009 models have springs that are over-powering the shocks and stabilizer bar.

 

[tecostello]

Hello from DC:

I read this blog regularly and I agree that the people who have the problems are the most likely to write.
I'm glad they do - since it alerts us all to watch for potential issues.

But I suspect that most people have not had any significant issues. So far, I've had ZERO problems.

I've owned my 2010, V6/Tech since late November.
I traded in a 2005 BMW 330i.

So far, I think the Genesis IS a superior car.
Obviously much bigger, more comfortable, seems faster than the BMW330i's V-6, and more appealing from the outside.

Sometimes I feel the ride is a tad bit bumpy under 30mph...mostly when going over DC's potholes, but over 30mph the ride is very smooth and quiet.

The stereo is fantastic, although the base is a bit weak while listening to the radio.
(And yes, I've boosted the base on my settings.) HOWEVER, put in a CD and the base suddenly is amped up dramatically.

I've had NO problems with my navigation, stereo, phone interface...nada.
So far, it all works fine.

I too was very interested in the Infiniti M series, but simply couldn't stomach paying an extra $20k to match the Genesis in features. Same with the BMW-5 series. And I like driving something different.

I think the Genesis represents perhaps the single best buy for your money today. And it seems that the negative "Hyundai stigma" is quickly eroding.

Increasingly, when people ask about my car, they say "wow, Hyundai is making great cars these days, they've come a long way." The new Sonata is a very impressive car.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administrator was in my car a few weeks ago and couldn't stop talking about what great cars Hyundai is making and how much he liked mine.

Other Genesis owners I talk to in parking lots say they too enjoy the car and have no issues.

Yes, the dealership could use a facelift, but I haven't been there since I bought the car....except for an oil change. I'd rather not pay for something I don't use.

I wonder how much of the cost of a BMW, Infiniti/Nissan and Mercedes is due to sky high cost of paying the workers back home, and the cost of maintaining the high-end dealerships in the U.S.

All signs suggest that Hyundai has reinvented itself and is determined to be a major player in the U.S. for years to come.

Assuming my Genesis continues to perform this well, I could see myself buying another Genesis or the Equus in the years ahead.

We'll see. So far so good.

 

[OBCT]

25k miles and really nothing but positive things to say overall. Sure, the DIS/Nav has it's quirks and limitations, but I've not yet encountered anything negative enough to cite here.

I do break down my experience into two categories, though:

- My Genesis is a very good "around town" car.
- My Genesis is an astoundingly great freeway/interstate car.

 

[stevej2001]

whoever said above that a refrigerated seat is an 'unnecessary touch' doesn't live where I do. (California Central Valley)

As I look at various new car options, it's a must have.

 

[TNTitan]

whoever said above that a refrigerated seat is an 'unnecessary touch' doesn't live where I do. (California Central Valley)

As I look at various new car options, it's a must have.

I wish I could add it to mine. My 3.8 doesnt have em, but I would pay to add it if possible.