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Nice summary, thank you! It helps to a newcomer like me getting well oriented. Coincidently, the configuration, which I am planning to order is exactly like yours, word by word. Even the color appeared to be the same. However, the price as configured shows up as 46K +. I don’t see any applicable specials. By doing it online I don’t seem having an option to negotiate. Your number is attractively lower. Any word of advice?

walk into a dealer and say you’ll pay $X.They won’t agree right away, but grind them down. Then, go to another and see if they can beat it. Especially now, no one is buying cars. You’ll likely get it at a better price than me.
 
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Nice summary, thank you! It helps to a newcomer like me getting well oriented. Coincidently, the configuration, which I am planning to order is exactly like yours, word by word. Even the color appeared to be the same. However, the price as configured shows up as 46K +. I don’t see any applicable specials. By doing it online I don’t seem having an option to negotiate. Your number is attractively lower. Any word of advice?

Welcome! Just a couple of thoughts. It's possible you'll get a better deal on a car that's in stock rather than an order car. For a car that's in stock, they're trying to get it off the lot and stop paying monthly inventory tax. I do understand having a specific need or desire for specific colors and options and have ordered cars in the past for that very reason. Just be aware that dealers will be trying to move inventory in a big way right now.

I also recommend buying the Consumer Reports up-to-the-minute pricing guide for the G70; there are often factory to dealer incentives available that you won't see advertised that it will tell you about.
 
Welcome! Just a couple of thoughts. It's possible you'll get a better deal on a car that's in stock rather than an order car. For a car that's in stock, they're trying to get it off the lot and stop paying monthly inventory tax. I do understand having a specific need or desire for specific colors and options and have ordered cars in the past for that very reason. Just be aware that dealers will be trying to move inventory in a big way right now.

I also recommend buying the Consumer Reports up-to-the-minute pricing guide for the G70; there are often factory to dealer incentives available that you won't see advertised that it will tell you about.
^ 2 very good points!
 
Welcome! Just a couple of thoughts. It's possible you'll get a better deal on a car that's in stock rather than an order car. For a car that's in stock, they're trying to get it off the lot and stop paying monthly inventory tax. I do understand having a specific need or desire for specific colors and options and have ordered cars in the past for that very reason. Just be aware that dealers will be trying to move inventory in a big way right now.

I also recommend buying the Consumer Reports up-to-the-minute pricing guide for the G70; there are often factory to dealer incentives available that you won't see advertised that it will tell you about.
I'm in the "mine is on order" camp. I'm too old to not get what I desire.. though I'm waiting for it. I wonder how many are on the lot though. I thought S Korea slowed or shutdown for a bit so I wonder how the supply line was interrupted. I'm in MI and all dealers are closed for a few weeks so nothing is selling. Dealers are trying to get an exemption so that they can sell by appointment, but so far no word.
 
I'm in the "mine is on order" camp. I'm too old to not get what I desire.. though I'm waiting for it. I wonder how many are on the lot though. I thought S Korea slowed or shutdown for a bit so I wonder how the supply line was interrupted. I'm in MI and all dealers are closed for a few weeks so nothing is selling. Dealers are trying to get an exemption so that they can sell by appointment, but so far no word.

The last car I ordered and waited for was a 1999 Mustang Cobra. The next car I will order will probably be a C8 Corvette. I want to take factory delivery.
 
I've never liked Corvettes....


....yet, I can't find a single reason NOT to the like the C8. Well done, Chevy, well done - you even won over a biased jerk like me. Too bad I can't afford one anytime soon. Haha.
 
6200 mile update

After owning the car for almost 6 months, I think I have a clearer picture, and more solidified opinion.

First, the engine and RWD bias are the single best reason to get the car. It isn't cheap speed, more like "moderately priced speed/refinement)."
However, I think there are plenty of things to keep in mind if you're thinking of buying this car, some of which outweigh the good, in my opinion.

To me, this has proven to be a really, really good attempt at simulating a true luxury sports sedan. What do I mean by that?

1. Lets start with the engine, which for the record, I like. With highways being empty due to coronavirus, I've had many opportunities to take my G70, an M340 ixdrive, and oddly enough, a Toyota Camry V6 for *very* spirited drives. The G70 just doesn't have much grunt past 80 MPH compared to the M340, which makes a real strong case about costing $15k more once you get past that speed and into triple digits. The BMW's trasmission, too, was on another level. To me, that's not worth $15k, but you will notice it, and it may matter to you. It defintely mattered when a pack of Porsches rocketed past me, as if physics weren't a thing, and the G70 just could not keep up. I think this car gives a good taste of what to expect in the luxury sports sedan segment, with OK/good enough execution of the powertrain.

2. The interior is well designed and laid out, not question, but for whatever reason, it just doesn't feel as premium as any Lexus, BMW, or Audi. In a vacuum, on its own, it's good, but in comparison, the rubber, leathers, and buttons just don't look or feel as nice. Acoustics are also not the best. For example, the BMW and Toyota Camry were both quieter at 65 and 70 MPH along the same stretch of road in dry conditions. I've heard the Audi A4 is also much quieter, if not the quietest of the German sports sedans. Even some trims of the lowly Ford Fiesta had acoustic windshields. Come on, Genesis. Like the above, I think it gives a good idea of what to expect in this class of car, but does not do it better than anyone else.

3. Build quality is awful, especially compared to the lowly sub $20k econo-boxes I've owned before. Squeaks, rattles, and pops abound. No one should deal with that in a car this expensive. There are many, many more interior issues that I won't be getting into, such as a driver's door that is slightly askew. What really made me feel awful about this is that the Hyundai Elantra loaner my dealer gave me last week felt much more solid over bumps and bad pavement than the G70, because there weren't a million little things moving and shifting above my head, or somewhere in the doors, or behind the dash.

In addition to interior noises, I've had door garnish replaced on both front doors, and my steering column repaired.

My impression is, that unlike Lexus, which goes to great lengths to market how they are built differently than Toyota (separate assembly lines, much better trained workers, a zillion inspections at each stage of production), Genesis cars are probably built in the same factories, by the same workers, and not held to higher quality standards, which certainly would partly explain why the price is so low.

4. Genesis Connected Services seems to be held together by string and a prayer, and even disconnecting the battery from the car can cause up to a 14 day outage requiring a trip to the dealer to fix. In a world where Tesla and other have figured out apps to do things like remote start, Genesis' implementation is just a poor, barely functional copy.

Finally, the dealers are not used to luxury car shoppers. They don't understand that car enthusiasts care about the kind of oil used, and can be OCD about certain other things, which at this price point is justified. "My Sonata makes that noise too" is not something you tell to a customer that spent $50k with you. This isn't a Sonata, it's a Genesis, at least acknowledge that.

#3 and the bad dealers are making me regret my purchase. I fully expected #1 and #2 on my list for the price. But their execution, how they built it, and poor service just kill this car and this brand for me.
 
6200 mile update

After owning the car for almost 6 months, I think I have a clearer picture, and more solidified opinion.

First, the engine and RWD bias are the single best reason to get the car. It isn't cheap speed, more like "moderately priced speed/refinement)."
However, I think there are plenty of things to keep in mind if you're thinking of buying this car, some of which outweigh the good, in my opinion.

To me, this has proven to be a really, really good attempt at simulating a true luxury sports sedan. What do I mean by that?

1. Lets start with the engine, which for the record, I like. With highways being empty due to coronavirus, I've had many opportunities to take my G70, an M340 ixdrive, and oddly enough, a Toyota Camry V6 for *very* spirited drives. The G70 just doesn't have much grunt past 80 MPH compared to the M340, which makes a real strong case about costing $15k more once you get past that speed and into triple digits. The BMW's trasmission, too, was on another level. To me, that's not worth $15k, but you will notice it, and it may matter to you. It defintely mattered when a pack of Porsches rocketed past me, as if physics weren't a thing, and the G70 just could not keep up. I think this car gives a good taste of what to expect in the luxury sports sedan segment, with OK/good enough execution of the powertrain.

2. The interior is well designed and laid out, not question, but for whatever reason, it just doesn't feel as premium as any Lexus, BMW, or Audi. In a vacuum, on its own, it's good, but in comparison, the rubber, leathers, and buttons just don't look or feel as nice. Acoustics are also not the best. For example, the BMW and Toyota Camry were both quieter at 65 and 70 MPH along the same stretch of road in dry conditions. I've heard the Audi A4 is also much quieter, if not the quietest of the German sports sedans. Even some trims of the lowly Ford Fiesta had acoustic windshields. Come on, Genesis. Like the above, I think it gives a good idea of what to expect in this class of car, but does not do it better than anyone else.

3. Build quality is awful, especially compared to the lowly sub $20k econo-boxes I've owned before. Squeaks, rattles, and pops abound. No one should deal with that in a car this expensive. There are many, many more interior issues that I won't be getting into, such as a driver's door that is slightly askew. What really made me feel awful about this is that the Hyundai Elantra loaner my dealer gave me last week felt much more solid over bumps and bad pavement than the G70, because there weren't a million little things moving and shifting above my head, or somewhere in the doors, or behind the dash.

In addition to interior noises, I've had door garnish replaced on both front doors, and my steering column repaired.

My impression is, that unlike Lexus, which goes to great lengths to market how they are built differently than Toyota (separate assembly lines, much better trained workers, a zillion inspections at each stage of production), Genesis cars are probably built in the same factories, by the same workers, and not held to higher quality standards, which certainly would partly explain why the price is so low.

4. Genesis Connected Services seems to be held together by string and a prayer, and even disconnecting the battery from the car can cause up to a 14 day outage requiring a trip to the dealer to fix. In a world where Tesla and other have figured out apps to do things like remote start, Genesis' implementation is just a poor, barely functional copy.

Finally, the dealers are not used to luxury car shoppers. They don't understand that car enthusiasts care about the kind of oil used, and can be OCD about certain other things, which at this price point is justified. "My Sonata makes that noise too" is not something you tell to a customer that spent $50k with you. This isn't a Sonata, it's a Genesis, at least acknowledge that.

#3 and the bad dealers are making me regret my purchase. I fully expected #1 and #2 on my list for the price. But their execution, how they built it, and poor service just kill this car and this brand for me.
That's too bad you've got regrets. The build quality issues and interior noises you have would drive me nuts too. Ironically, the main reason I traded in my 335xi was that it's interior had so many creaks and squeaks it drove me crazy every time I drove it, so I can relate.
Luckily the only noise issue my G70 has (so far) is the sunroof popping sound on a hot day. I'm at about 13k miles, but I have the 225 size all season tires. Do you have a sport model with the lower profile tires? That would tend to beat things up more (at least on New England roads, not sure where you are).
I do think the panel gaps on these cars (at least mine and some others who have commented on it) are quite large by today's standards. Maybe more an indicator of manufacturing capability than quality, but still.
I can't say I've noticed a lot of road noise on the highway in mine, but others have mentioned this. Maybe I'm used to noisier cars.
I agree that the dealership experience is not up to par, and the issue so many of us have had with the front brake pads is inexcusable.
Not sure how long I will keep this car, or what I'll replace it with when the time comes, but I would say only about a 50% chance it would be a newer G70 at this point. If they address some of these issues, that would certainly help. Who knows, maybe by then I'll go EV.
Good luck to you, I hope some things get resolved and no more crop up.
 
That's too bad you've got regrets. The build quality issues and interior noises you have would drive me nuts too. Ironically, the main reason I traded in my 335xi was that it's interior had so many creaks and squeaks it drove me crazy every time I drove it, so I can relate.
Luckily the only noise issue my G70 has (so far) is the sunroof popping sound on a hot day. I'm at about 13k miles, but I have the 225 size all season tires. Do you have a sport model with the lower profile tires? That would tend to beat things up more (at least on New England roads, not sure where you are).
I do think the panel gaps on these cars (at least mine and some others who have commented on it) are quite large by today's standards. Maybe more an indicator of manufacturing capability than quality, but still.
I can't say I've noticed a lot of road noise on the highway in mine, but others have mentioned this. Maybe I'm used to noisier cars.
I agree that the dealership experience is not up to par, and the issue so many of us have had with the front brake pads is inexcusable.
Not sure how long I will keep this car, or what I'll replace it with when the time comes, but I would say only about a 50% chance it would be a newer G70 at this point. If they address some of these issues, that would certainly help. Who knows, maybe by then I'll go EV.
Good luck to you, I hope some things get resolved and no more crop up.
18 inch 225 all seasons all around
 
That's weird then. I thought the G70 felt like it had a much stiffer chassis (not suspension) than my F30 3 series did. Seems solid and quiet. Maybe there's a lot of variability in the Genesis build quality.
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That's weird then. I thought the G70 felt like it had a much stiffer chassis (not suspension) than my F30 3 series did. Seems solid and quiet. Maybe there's a lot of variability in the Genesis build quality.
I think it’s more solid as well, but they didn’t figure out how to attach things correctly to the unibody chassis, like the headliner and moonroof. So when those things move/wiggle/squeak, it feels less solid.
 
6200 mile update

After owning the car for almost 6 months, I think I have a clearer picture, and more solidified opinion.

First, the engine and RWD bias are the single best reason to get the car. It isn't cheap speed, more like "moderately priced speed/refinement)."
However, I think there are plenty of things to keep in mind if you're thinking of buying this car, some of which outweigh the good, in my opinion.

To me, this has proven to be a really, really good attempt at simulating a true luxury sports sedan. What do I mean by that?

1. Lets start with the engine, which for the record, I like. With highways being empty due to coronavirus, I've had many opportunities to take my G70, an M340 ixdrive, and oddly enough, a Toyota Camry V6 for *very* spirited drives. The G70 just doesn't have much grunt past 80 MPH compared to the M340, which makes a real strong case about costing $15k more once you get past that speed and into triple digits. The BMW's trasmission, too, was on another level. To me, that's not worth $15k, but you will notice it, and it may matter to you. It defintely mattered when a pack of Porsches rocketed past me, as if physics weren't a thing, and the G70 just could not keep up. I think this car gives a good taste of what to expect in the luxury sports sedan segment, with OK/good enough execution of the powertrain.

2. The interior is well designed and laid out, not question, but for whatever reason, it just doesn't feel as premium as any Lexus, BMW, or Audi. In a vacuum, on its own, it's good, but in comparison, the rubber, leathers, and buttons just don't look or feel as nice. Acoustics are also not the best. For example, the BMW and Toyota Camry were both quieter at 65 and 70 MPH along the same stretch of road in dry conditions. I've heard the Audi A4 is also much quieter, if not the quietest of the German sports sedans. Even some trims of the lowly Ford Fiesta had acoustic windshields. Come on, Genesis. Like the above, I think it gives a good idea of what to expect in this class of car, but does not do it better than anyone else.

3. Build quality is awful, especially compared to the lowly sub $20k econo-boxes I've owned before. Squeaks, rattles, and pops abound. No one should deal with that in a car this expensive. There are many, many more interior issues that I won't be getting into, such as a driver's door that is slightly askew. What really made me feel awful about this is that the Hyundai Elantra loaner my dealer gave me last week felt much more solid over bumps and bad pavement than the G70, because there weren't a million little things moving and shifting above my head, or somewhere in the doors, or behind the dash.

In addition to interior noises, I've had door garnish replaced on both front doors, and my steering column repaired.

My impression is, that unlike Lexus, which goes to great lengths to market how they are built differently than Toyota (separate assembly lines, much better trained workers, a zillion inspections at each stage of production), Genesis cars are probably built in the same factories, by the same workers, and not held to higher quality standards, which certainly would partly explain why the price is so low.

4. Genesis Connected Services seems to be held together by string and a prayer, and even disconnecting the battery from the car can cause up to a 14 day outage requiring a trip to the dealer to fix. In a world where Tesla and other have figured out apps to do things like remote start, Genesis' implementation is just a poor, barely functional copy.

Finally, the dealers are not used to luxury car shoppers. They don't understand that car enthusiasts care about the kind of oil used, and can be OCD about certain other things, which at this price point is justified. "My Sonata makes that noise too" is not something you tell to a customer that spent $50k with you. This isn't a Sonata, it's a Genesis, at least acknowledge that.

#3 and the bad dealers are making me regret my purchase. I fully expected #1 and #2 on my list for the price. But their execution, how they built it, and poor service just kill this car and this brand for me.

Thank you for posting about your experiences. I realize it is anecdotal, but this thread has given me cold feet about potentially buying a G70 this month. The sheer number of annoying issues combined with the service (or lack thereof) from dealerships and corporate is concerning.

My last 2 cars have been BMWs, and my ownership experience has been flawless; the waiting room & amenities during service/maintenance visits is so nice that I actually look forward to the break. ;) I had one issue with my 335i where the engine was overheating; it was a defective cooling fan, which they replaced quickly and painlessly. Otherwise the cars have been solid as could be, and the service experience pleasurable.

I am really wary of leaving that behind in any case, but when I read stories like yours it drives that home. It reminds me to consider the intangibles when cross-shopping brands.
 
Thank you for posting about your experiences. I realize it is anecdotal, but this thread has given me cold feet about potentially buying a G70 this month. The sheer number of annoying issues combined with the service (or lack thereof) from dealerships and corporate is concerning.

My last 2 cars have been BMWs, and my ownership experience has been flawless; the waiting room & amenities during service/maintenance visits is so nice that I actually look forward to the break. ;) I had one issue with my 335i where the engine was overheating; it was a defective cooling fan, which they replaced quickly and painlessly. Otherwise the cars have been solid as could be, and the service experience pleasurable.

I am really wary of leaving that behind in any case, but when I read stories like yours it drives that home. It reminds me to consider the intangibles when cross-shopping brands.
I wouldn't let a post or few persuade you. If it does, I might ask how you ever came to owning one, let alone 2 BMW's? There are tons of damning posts about BMW's out there. And frankly, typically, much more serious issues. But it's obviously your call. Meanwhile, I'm still impatiently waiting for mine to get built! Can't wait to take that first drive. (current Benz, Audi owner,)
 
I wouldn't let a post or few persuade you. If it does, I might ask how you ever came to owning one, let alone 2 BMW's? There are tons of damning posts about BMW's out there. And frankly, typically, much more serious issues. But it's obviously your call. Meanwhile, I'm still impatiently waiting for mine to get built! Can't wait to take that first drive. (current Benz, Audi owner,)
Well, first and foremost, those were leases. The commitment was much less.

But you are right, which is why I mentioned that I know this is anecdotal. I'm sure there are similar experiences out there for BMW or for anyone else. That is especially true of dealer service experiences, which will vary from region to region & dealer to dealer. And you're also right IME about the nature of the issues; I had zero minor issues, but my one issue with my 335i nearly caused me to block rush-hour traffic when my engine overheated (ultimately, I was lucky to get as far as a side road so I could get out of the way).

But... at least when there was an issue, it was immediately, competently resolved. At least the customer experience was always a positive one. I have had several other service experiences for smaller items (damage, not defects) that were pristine. This may be largely because I am fortunate to live a few miles from a fantastic dealership. That is particular to my situation, but just having them down the road is SO convenient and confidence-inspiring based on my past experiences.

Long story short - I am just saying that the experience detailed in this thread is a reminder to factor in the overall ownership experience. I hope you enjoy your new Genesis, and I may be joining you soon... TBD.
 
I am really wary of leaving that behind ..
Might be worth visiting your potential dealer. Check out the show room as well as the Service department. If that stuff makes a difference to you, it's worth a look. You won't see the things you're used to, at least I didn't. I came from an Infiniti dealer, but it was Sewell in Dallas and everyone knows they're top notch in the area. Unfortunately, Genesis comes from Hyundai dealers. But hopefully your won't have to go very often, or your experience will be of no issue. Don't forget all the money you'll save.
 
I have two dealers in my area and one is distinctly better than the other. It is also smaller, lower volume. Visited and met with the service manager and after a reassuring conversation he went online and made his location my preferred dealer. I had one other service interaction which was also confidence inspiring. The other dealer is high volume, crowded, pushy, sell oriented, and acceptable in an emergency. I am glad for the choice.
 
Post buy for me so no cold feet here. I just thought I would throw my 2 cents in as a long time Hyundai owner. My G70 is now the third Hyundai built car I've purchased and the only brand I have purchased after my very first car (grandmas handmedown 97 grand-am). First was a used 2010 genesis coupe 3.8 grand touring. Put 60k miles on it, loved it, no issues. Next was a 2015 sonata 2.0t limited (highest trim level). Very fun and practical car, much larger than the G70 of course). 72k miles on it before I traded for the G70 last week, and no major issues. Creaky panoramic roof, passenger door unlock button failure and a faulty "something" that triggered my cooling fan to come on and off every 10 seconds or so no matter what temp the car was. So far, with only 150 miles driven in the G70, I am impressed. Far more premium feeling than the fully loaded Sonata (as it should). It feels comfortable though I have not made a long trip yet, and the driving experience is great. Love the upgraded sound system as well. I will note that my passenger door panel vibrated terribly in the sonata from the bass when jamming out. I've always felt that you can get a sense of how solid an interior is if you put enough bass through it as the frequency passes through pretty much the whole car. Totally satisfied with the feeling in the G70, no rattles or loose fittings, just some vibrating mirrors 😉. Well see how much that stays true with accumulated miles. As for dealer experience, well I didnt really have much of one. I called them up and scheduled the test drive. Got matched up with a 23 year old kid (which I am 30 and have a 22/23 year old brothers) so I was able to feel a little more comfortable. They gave me a great trade deal and worked with me on my rate and we made a deal the same day. I got a great window tint recommendation which resulted in a nice little discount on the tint job and they have been accommodating to everything so far. Way to early in the whole Genesis owner experience to provide extended examples of pros/cons of my car and dealership but I have absolutely nothing to complain about so far.

Edit: As I typed that last sentence, I remembered that it appears my door controls (window/mirror switches) appear very worn already or that they have some sort of coating on them. A simple wet the finger and rub hasn't worked. Showed my sales guy and he said to make an appointment and they will try to clean it or make a warranty replacement if needed. Curious if anyone else has noticed this.
 
^can you take a pic?
 
Are the window and lock control buttons painted plastic? Maybe the paint was too thin.

My Infiniti had brushed aluminum around the shifter which looked great, but when I dropped something heavy on it, it dented.
 
^can you take a pic?


Let me get one in the morning. I don't believe they are plastic but I dont remember. The passenger window switch is probably the worst. Very noticeable to me but probably would go unnoticed to someone just checking the car out.
 
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