Just Received My Megan Coilovers

[Kamkaze]

There are a lot of us who use coilovers to achieve a specific look, and could careless how they handle on the track as our cars will never see track duty. they are PERFECT for DD and if you don't understand that I'm sorry. Maybe 1% of people on most sites actually need highend coilovers for racing but they buy them because people like you tell them that they "need" them or they are posers pretending to be racers. Most people buy coilovers for the adjustable ride height, simple fact.

 

[krazyfiend]

 

[SegaGen]

+1... this thread is way off topic...

There are a lot of us who use coilovers to achieve a specific look, and could careless how they handle on the track as our cars will never see track duty. they are PERFECT for DD and if you don't understand that I'm sorry. Maybe 1% of people on most sites actually need highend coilovers for racing but they buy them because people like you tell them that they "need" them or they are posers pretending to be racers. Most people buy coilovers for the adjustable ride height, simple fact.

 

[brfatal]

There are a lot of us who use coilovers to achieve a specific look, and could careless how they handle on the track as our cars will never see track duty. they are PERFECT for DD and if you don't understand that I'm sorry. Maybe 1% of people on most sites actually need highend coilovers for racing but they buy them because people like you tell them that they "need" them or they are posers pretending to be racers. Most people buy coilovers for the adjustable ride height, simple fact.

You're over looking my comments about reliability, exhaustive maintenance, and poor ride, which were the primary concerns with using them on a DD.

 

[Jalexe]

so next thing is to see any pics of the finshed project....

 

[sooththetruth]

I have the Megan's on my car, now 3 days. They arrived with racing car level stiffness, 8/32 front and back were the factory settings, though I didn't know until I "found" the levels by adjusting both ways to the extremes. There is a satisfying click at every setting level.

8/32 was far too harsh for me.

I don't like the 2010 suspension, and was ready to turn in the car, but was not satisfied with tranny/accelerator set up of the 2012. (just taste).

Wanted to keep my 2010, and so far I have tried settings up and down of the front coilovers to get RID of the wallow of the std suspension, as well as the really unstable feeling I would have taking turns in the mountains of W Virginia I-77 at 80 mph. The unsettled feel on rough roads was maddening to me, a combo of the wallow, and the loss of stability.

More coming. So far I like that I get rid of the wallow at 20 in the front, and 22 in the back, but I don't like the remnant jitteriness. Going above 22 in the front reintroduces the wallow. I have adjusted the rears from 8 to 22, and not changed them since. but it will take less than 30 minutes to adjust the rears once there is some practice. It takes about 15 minutes for me to adjust the fronts, now, only because I am just learning the tricks of getting the allen wrench into the socket.

So far I have traded problems, but not found the answer, but this is not my final report. Adjustments have been easier than expected, though I do have to use the jack for the rear adjustments, just to let the tire "sag" enough to get my big mitt up behind the tire, but it's just a finger knob in the rear. Takes an Allen Wrench up front, and some practice to get the wrench in the adjustment socket.

Hoping to find that "sweet spot". Photos coming if I find my happy place.

I did not use the coilovers to lower the car, but it seems the car is about 1/2 inch lower than before, by measure to the bumpers. Installers tried to keep it the same. I don't mind the half inch, but lowering had nothing to do with buying the suspension. I want a ride I can live with. I lived with the car 40,000 miles, though, and couldn't face another 5K with suspension because my family refuses to take this car on trips. My 2006 VW Passat and 2007 Infiniti G35 with SPORT suspension both ride more comfortably than the Genesis with the shock suspension. I bought the big car to ride alone, though I didn't know it at the time.

 

[peter_302]

bilstein B6 sport is used by Korean and feedback that ride like a Germany car, but when I search it on bilstein online catalog, only genesis coupe found. clue

http://www.doctc.com/shop/goods/goods_view.php?goodsno=36773&category=001001012

I probably come off as a drop shipper because I do drop ship a lot of products. If someone thinks that's bad, I will be happy to explain why it's not. That hardly makes me inexperienced or unqualified on the subject. I owned a portion of a local shop for years before I started XLevel and I could easily open a shop and do the same work now. I choose not to.

I'm not sure what you think is misinformation in my post. I am completely upfront with my customers and I tell them exactly what they are getting. I don't tell people they are getting KW, Ohlins, etc. quality when they purchase Ksports or Megans. Most of them will never see a race track and hardly need or want a set of independently adjustable rebound and compression, fully stainless, German made coilovers. Selling them something they don't need and may not be able to afford would be a disservice.

All coilovers are "you-get-what-you-pay-for" coilovers. You pay more, you get better RnD, design, quality materials, build quality, warranty, etc. While Ksport had some issues years back, I can tell you that their issues have been solved and their quality and service is much improved. I have been selling them for about a year and a half. I have been selling Megans since their introduction years ago. Between BOTH brands, I have had ZERO returns or warranty claims. I don't believe that to be a "junkie" coilover. I always believed a record like that to be pretty good.

The suspension travel on the Megans, Ksports, etc. are not bad for what they are being used for and the separate lower bracket design ensures you can keep the most travel possible with their setup. As for damping, if someone understands the valving and are concerned with it, Megan Racing now posts their shock dyno results on some applications.

If KW, Ohlins, etc. offered a setup for the Genesis sedan, I would gladly offer them.

Also, if you were to compare a suspension designed for a certain purpose, ie. Ksport Rally Spec-AR vs Ksport Slide Kontrol you would notice they are designed for what they are used for and the suspension travel coincides with that use. Not only would I put these coilovers on our own cars, we do and so do the people at Megan and Ksport. In fact, Ksport races on theirs and do very well.

It's clear you know what you are talking about as far as motorsports and the technical aspects of a suspension. I just don't think you are taking everything into consideration and you have a bias against cheaper suspensions. If you had a Genesis sedan, less than $1500 and only planned to daily your car, what would you recommend?

 

[sooththetruth]

UPDATE on My Megan coilovers

So I have had the Megan's on my car for a month.

I have surprised myself, because I have been playing with the settings, and have decided that I am happiest with a setting 15/32 in the back and 16 in the front.

Reminder: Megan's are adjustable from 1-32 at all 4 corners. 1-8 is considered racing levels, and the ride is very jarring, but the cornering very flat at these levels. There is NO wallow at all at the lowest number settings. The "wallow" I describe is the tendency for the car to rock left and right, or front to back after traversing a road imperfection. The stock suspension allowed a lot of wallow. 9-17 is the stock setting for "off roading" as the VERY POOR english translation that came with the shocks would suggest. 18-32 were considered the std levels for every day driving.

The stock suspension also had a lot of jarring with imperfections in the road, so I would be annoyed by the feeling of "slamming" over the road, almost as though you were hitting a SQUARE 1 inch curb in the road, rather than just the normal road heave. That isn't that much of an exaggeration.

Right away I noted the Megan's had better compliance over the road imperfections than did the stock shocks. (at least after I adjusted them from the factory setting of 8/32 front and back.)

The biggest surprise is that the wallow just isn't controlled enough for me at the normal settings, so I am accepting a little more jitteriness over road imperfections so as to avoid the rocking that most annoyed me about the stock shocks.

Again, i compare the ride to my 2006 VW Passat 2T, and I would say that the Passat still has better ride/cornering balance, but the Genesis now corners better, with acceptable daily ride.

The best news is that my family agrees, and they find the ride more acceptable than the stock set up. Now, I know that there are people out there that paid for a 2010 suspension to replace their 2009 Genesis suspension. I cannot imagine how bad the ride must have been in the early stock 2009 cars.

I am about to put my stock 2010's shocks on ebay, but I really don't know how much I could expect to sell them for. I would appreciate some valuations if anyone would consider themselves knowledgeable about such things.

I paid $1050 for the Megan coilovers for the Genesis Sedan, and paid $300 for installation (though I mentioned in an earlier post that my tire supplier cut me slack on the installation because I have been buying tires from them for 20 years). I really think average installation will cost $400- 450.

 

[XLevel]

Erick,

Thank you very much for updating us with your feedback on the coilovers. I am glad you've found a sweet spot and it sounds like we have solved the problems with the stock suspension and even with the family. If there is anything else I can do for you, please let me know. Thanks again for you business and patience, I greatly appreciate both.

- J.T.

 

[Philth]

Re: UPDATE on My Megan coilovers

So I have had the Megan's on my car for a month.

I have surprised myself, because I have been playing with the settings, and have decided that I am happiest with a setting 15/32 in the back and 16 in the front.

Reminder: Megan's are adjustable from 1-32 at all 4 corners. 1-8 is considered racing levels, and the ride is very jarring, but the cornering very flat at these levels. There is NO wallow at all at the lowest number settings. The "wallow" I describe is the tendency for the car to rock left and right, or front to back after traversing a road imperfection. The stock suspension allowed a lot of wallow. 9-17 is the stock setting for "off roading" as the VERY POOR english translation that came with the shocks would suggest. 18-32 were considered the std levels for every day driving.

The stock suspension also had a lot of jarring with imperfections in the road, so I would be annoyed by the feeling of "slamming" over the road, almost as though you were hitting a SQUARE 1 inch curb in the road, rather than just the normal road heave. That isn't that much of an exaggeration.

Right away I noted the Megan's had better compliance over the road imperfections than did the stock shocks. (at least after I adjusted them from the factory setting of 8/32 front and back.)

The biggest surprise is that the wallow just isn't controlled enough for me at the normal settings, so I am accepting a little more jitteriness over road imperfections so as to avoid the rocking that most annoyed me about the stock shocks.

Again, i compare the ride to my 2006 VW Passat 2T, and I would say that the Passat still has better ride/cornering balance, but the Genesis now corners better, with acceptable daily ride.

The best news is that my family agrees, and they find the ride more acceptable than the stock set up. Now, I know that there are people out there that paid for a 2010 suspension to replace their 2009 Genesis suspension. I cannot imagine how bad the ride must have been in the early stock 2009 cars.

I am about to put my stock 2010's shocks on ebay, but I really don't know how much I could expect to sell them for. I would appreciate some valuations if anyone would consider themselves knowledgeable about such things.

I paid $1050 for the Megan coilovers for the Genesis Sedan, and paid $300 for installation (though I mentioned in an earlier post that my tire supplier cut me slack on the installation because I have been buying tires from them for 20 years). I really think average installation will cost $400- 450.

What is the ride height you ended up with (compared to stock)? Do the Megans allow for camber adjustment via an oblonged hole in the lower mounts? If so, what is your camber set at?

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[sooththetruth]

Re: UPDATE on My Megan coilovers

What is the ride height you ended up with (compared to stock)? Do the Megans allow for camber adjustment via an oblonged hole in the lower mounts? If so, what is your camber set at?

No camber adjustment. The installers did try to keep the height of the car the same, but there is no doubt the car is an inch lower than stock, measured at the bottom of the bumpers. The car settled after the first few days, but hasn't seemed to settle further.

I have noted no difference in gas mileage, though I have not had enough full tanks to really judge, and I have not had longer trips, because I really believe the lowering would affect high speed mileage more than it would around town.

Because of the drop in height, I understand that I should have an alignment done to prevent rapid wear on the tires. I am taking the car in for alignment check next week. I suspect this ride height change may have been the reason for the question about camber adjustment?

 

[Philth]

Re: UPDATE on My Megan coilovers

No camber adjustment. The installers did try to keep the height of the car the same, but there is no doubt the car is an inch lower than stock, measured at the bottom of the bumpers. The car settled after the first few days, but hasn't seemed to settle further.

I have noted no difference in gas mileage, though I have not had enough full tanks to really judge, and I have not had longer trips, because I really believe the lowering would affect high speed mileage more than it would around town.

Because of the drop in height, I understand that I should have an alignment done to prevent rapid wear on the tires. I am taking the car in for alignment check next week. I suspect this ride height change may have been the reason for the question about camber adjustment?

Camber will increase as the vehicle height is lowered. (Along with toe, which is what you should be concerned with the most. If toe isnt corrected quickly, your tires can get jacked pretty fast)

Usually, these type of coilovers have a slotted bolt hole at the bottom mount, which allows for camber adjustment.

 

[krazyfiend]

Depends on the Megan series...and not all SS have top hats or options for camber adjustments (some with pillow mounts do..so don't).

Usually the stock suspension camber adjustments allow enough adjustment to reign in 1 to 1.2" of drop... you might have to run -2.0 of camber in the rear, but that should still be in Hyundai spec IIRC.

Dropping below that... most people look twds an option of adjustable camber arms for the rear from the likes of SPC (1, 2, or 3 arms..depending on amount you are trying to bring the camber in.

The front, with an aggressive drop, one would hope there is some company offering adjustable camber plates. However, if no company offers such, you can just choose to run through lots of tires via cupping/camber wear...or go with custom milled parts and/or mounts.

 

[sooththetruth]

The front, with an aggressive drop, one would hope there is some company offering adjustable camber plates. However, if no company offers such, you can just choose to run through lots of tires via cupping/camber wear...or go with custom milled parts and/or mounts.

Useful information. Alternatively, I could just have the height raised back to normal, right? The height is adjustable on these Megans.

I admit to you that I never looked for the camber adjustment, never read it as an feature. But the installer had told me that a height difference would really matter, so I am pleased that he was aware, and assured me he could adjust the height later if needed. I have been watching the tires, and so far see no abnormal wear. I have been driving on the new shocks about 1600 miles, already.

 

[krazyfiend]

Useful information. Alternatively, I could just have the height raised back to normal, right? The height is adjustable on these Megans.

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Maybe..but these are definitely setup different than on my weekend '10 Honda coupe on Megan SS's.. at the most raised setting...I still have about a half inch of drop... the pictures I've seen of the one's you have on your genesis from earlier in the thread...maybe they allow a completely stock height to be dialed in.

Personally..I think 1" is about perfect.. I'd see if they can get your camber dialed into factory spec, and if not , then think about raising a bit.

 

[sooththetruth]

Personally..I think 1" is about perfect.. I'd see if they can get your camber dialed into factory spec, and if not , then think about raising a bit.

Makes sense to me. I dare hope that they tell me that the camber is good as is, if they are confident from the look of the tires that there is no uneven wear. I'll know by Wednesday next week.

In a perfect world the shocks dialed in for a given car would have self adjusting camber to keep the tires flush on the road.

Sorry, I know that's funny, but I couldn't help myself.

My biggest surprise is how much better these shocks are from stock. My only worry? The clicking feeling in the front shocks is already going away, suggesting that road grime is affecting the function, or that the end points strip. I only noticed it on the right side front, last time, but I would expect the right side to be affected first. They've been on the car 1600 miles, so I will be reporting longevity as well.

The first time I added air to to the tires I was surprised at the difference it made going from 30 to 34 lbs for pressure. Seemed more from the stock change, and that's why I know that the end point clicking seems to be fading. I softened up the shocks a pair of clicks, and I'm happy again. But every time I adjust, I always go to an end point, and then click back to goal. This is my system to keep the two sides consistently the same. (For example, the fronts had been at 16, but I clicked them all the way to 32, and then back down to 18. Having said that, I'll repeat it's pretty easy to adjust them.

Finally, I will mention that whether I stiffen or soften the shocks, it always seems that the first few days the shocks are stiffer than expected, and it takes a couple of days for the ride to soften to the new baseline.

 

[jnc2000]

EDFC would be a wonderful addition if TEIN made parts for us...

 

[ddaarr]

To the OP, could you snap a few pics of the damping adjustment with the wheels off.

Good work playing with the damping a finding a setting that most can use as a benchmark.

 

[peter_302]

EDFC would be a wonderful addition if TEIN made parts for us...

TEIN CST with EDFC for hyundai genesis sedan have already provided ...

 

[blacknoir]

i have HSD on my coupe and absolutely love them so I'm probably going to wait for the sedan set up to be released but what coilovers other than Megans are available for the sedan at this point??