Lexus wins this time.

[Genesis X]

After months of searching and waiting(for the Genesis) I ended up getting a new IS250 AWD. Black on black.

I know it's not really a comparison to the Genesis as far as size and power. After driving many cars, not a Genesis though, I decided to get AWD. It came down to the G35X, Audi A4, Volvo S60R(used), and the Lexus. Lexus had/has a decent lease deal going($4000 from Lexus in money for the dealer and about 3.5% on the money).

It's pretty loaded up w/ navi/bluetooth, premium, and luxory plus some other minor options. I tinted(25%) and clear bra two days after purchase. Thinking about the 1" drop springs and rims but that can wait until spring.

Dealer experience was outstanding. It goes in friday for the 1000 mile looksie and the XM I was able to get them to throw in. Loaner of coarse. Do you get a loaner w/ the Genesis? Lexus also does the first oil change for free. With loaner of coarse.

Listed for just under $42K. About the same as a loaded out Genesis V8. But do you get a loaner?

At the end of the day I think the Lexus experience will be superior. Buying a luxury vehicle means I want the treatment as well. Lexus resale is outstanding and I don't anticipate any reliability issues either. I have a strong feeling that Hyundai is up and coming strong. I liken them to Honda back in the day when everybody laughed. I'll consider the Genesis again in just over a year when the Toyota is up.

And from a page of wacky and wild...The 08' Lexus was cheaper than the 05' Dodge Ram Cummins it replaced!

I'll still lurk here and there and you never know, I just might have a Genesis sooner than later. It wouldn't be the first time.

 

[Sal Collaziano]

Congratulations on your Lexus! Yes, the dealership experience is going to be VERY nice.. And yes, it's nice to get a loaner as well.. Post pictures when you get a moment.

 

[JOwest]

No one will argue you always get a better dealer experience with Lexus. My Hyundai dealer told me they will provide me with a loan car when I bring the Genesis in for service. Not sure if other Hyundai dealers will do the same.

 

[blasterguam]

No doubt at all that the Lexus service experience will be better than Hyundai, as I have two Lexus' and there is no comparison. When we take our Hyundai in for service it feels like we are going back to the "service stone age". although we do get a loaner. The IS250 is going to be tiny compared to the genesis though.

 

[Sal Collaziano]

It sounds like some Hyundai dealerships are smart enough to give out loaners for Genesis owners.. Very good news...

 

[musher51]

It sounds like some Hyundai dealerships are smart enough to give out loaners for Genesis owners.. Very good news...

I, too, received a loaner when I brought my Genesis in for service last week. In fact, the GM told me of a note he had received that day (I don't recall if it was from HMC or the owner of the VERY large dealer network he's part of) indicating that they are to offer Genesis loaners as soon as inventory levels allow (that day's loaner was a new Sonata, which served me just fine).

At any rate, I hope you enjoy every mile on your new Lexus, Genesis X!

 

[BigElm]

I find it hard to believe that any Hyundai dealer would not give out a loaner. I know ours does and it's for my wife's SF. Never had a problem with them. And their service guy is cool too. Your dealers must suck big time!!!

 

[bluegen]

I had planned to buy the IS (IS250) since I first drove it in Mar 2005 at the Taste of Lexus event in D.C. I could never get the dealer (in MD or TX) to come off MSRP....and, because of the color/all options I wanted, they wanted me to wait months (while paying max. price). It seemed they only wanted to keep base models in stock...

Also waited to see the new Audi A4 that recently came out - but it was supposed to be under 40K, now, with all options, it is over 50k and that is with a 4 cylinder with turbo (and I am sure it would be major bucks, at Audi labor rates, to fix a turbo if someone kept the car past the warranty period, and Audi's are not known for good depreciation). After seeing the new A4, I liked the Genesis exterior/interior better, although I can appreciate the extra high quality of the Audi materials (leather, etc.).

So, bottom line, I am glad I waited. I only became aware of the Genesis about early August. I took me until early Sep to find the one (color/options) I wanted....I am now an owner with 0 buyer remorse. Having never had a luxury (entry lux) car, I had planned to buy the Lexus....but glad I waited due to the styling/attributes of the car and the cost/value ratio. I also think I will appreciate the additional interior space of the Genesis, while only giving up 3-4 highway mpg. And I am glad Genesis also has the "electro-lumo" gauge lighting. I have the sterling blue/beige interior - a great combo when seen in person. From info I have seen on the 'Net, the Genesis is project to have a good depreciation rate...time will tell but based on the quality and content of the Genesis I believe it will.

Enjoy your new IS (I got off topic due to my extreme satisfaction with the Genesis) - I have followed the IS and lusted for one since '05 (until I saw the Genesis).
You must have the same excitement about your IS that Genesis owners here feel about their choice, the IS is a fine car. Enjoy the Lexus dealership experience...
they do know how to coddle customers - based on the dealerships I have walked through.

P.S. I have seen articles stating that the Genesis is attracting folks who already own luxury brands vs. people new to (entry) luxury cars - I guess I am an exception, this is my first (entry) luxury car.
P.P.S. FYI - My Hyundai dealer also threw in free oil changes for life (only at their dealership)). I will find out if they are really free soon (at the first oil change).

Cheers

 

[John M]

That Lexus "service experience" isn't free - you pay for it in both the car's price and in their labor charges. Let's face it - you paid over $40k for a 4-cylinder sedan. No matter how you slice it that's a good profit (Lexus has a fat markup). You'll pay the "Lexus tax" on every part from wiper blades to motor oil. Even if it's a standard Toyota part number, you'll pay double what the Camry owner will for the same items. Same goes for labor rates.

So yes, they offer great customer satisfaction but it's at your expense, not theirs.

And from my sig you'll see I also like AWD cars with 4 cylinders.

 

[Simonwpb]

Gen-X.
I think you mentioned the Lexus loaner 4 times... I can tell you that my Hyundai dealer gives loaners. Heck my Chevy dealer gives a loaner these days. I notice you did not test drive a Genesis, was it only because AWD was a must-have on your shopping list?

I am glad you got a car that you like and Lexus is well known as a premier brand. I have never owned a Lexus, but the few times I did go for a test-drive etc. I found the whole experience a little pretentious, with their own branded water bottles and the "if you want one there is a waiting list" attitude. Certainly Hyundai has a long way to go in the lux brand experience department!

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[JOwest]

Lexus come with a high price for service and maintenance as well. The ES350 will cost you over $2300 over 3 years in scheduled maintenance costs. That compare with about $1300 for the same 3 years for the "average" car.

 

[Genesis X]

That Lexus "service experience" isn't free - you pay for it in both the car's price and in their labor charges. Let's face it - you paid over $40k for a 4-cylinder sedan. No matter how you slice it that's a good profit (Lexus has a fat markup). You'll pay the "Lexus tax" on every part from wiper blades to motor oil. Even if it's a standard Toyota part number, you'll pay double what the Camry owner will for the same items. Same goes for labor rates.

So yes, they offer great customer satisfaction but it's at your expense, not theirs.

And from my sig you'll see I also like AWD cars with 4 cylinders.

Actualy I paid $37K for a car that MSRP at $42K. It also has a V6. Glad to see you are so educated about Lexus. My passenger seat is ventilated as well. Maybe that's where the extra money goes. The pre-collision system works flawlessly on Lexus.

Also I'm a very competent mechanic and can "service" my car on my own. Using the parts I choose. A little research and you can easily find Lexus parts well below dealer prices. Lexus includes the first two services in the purchase. That incorporates the 1000 mile initial check up and customer preference settings. The second is at 5000 miles for all the maintenace items including an oil change w/ synthetic. I will recieve a loaner as this is Lexus policy not an option. If your dealer is giving you loaners for you Genesis or your Chevy then you have excellent dealers. Before Lexus I have yet to recieve a loaner for any of the new vehicles I have owned and brought in for warranty service. This inlcudes but is not limited to; Honda, Toyota, Jeep, Ford, Dodge, and Geo.

Lexus is at the top of the reliability chain and I most likely will never visit the dealer for warranty issues.


Since cost is so important to you I'll remind you that bottom line Lexus has the lowest overall cost of ownership. When it's time to sell the Lexus I will sell it quickly and I will get top dollar.

 

[Genesis X]

Gen-X.
I notice you did not test drive a Genesis, was it only because AWD was a must-have on your shopping list?

AWD was important to me. I did not drive the Genesis as there was not a dealer close by. I went to go drive one the day I actually purchased the Lexus but was unable to find a dealer. I thought there was one near me on the "dealership row" and when I went there was none. I wanted to at least drive the Genesis but in the end it was to large, to new, and I really wanted a true Luxury experience including a dealership that has experience dealing with the type of person that expects perfection.

When I picked up my car from the initial 1000 mile service/ XM install it was washed, waxed, and the interior was cleaned. It was a bit messy when I dropped it off. So much so that I considered a quick vacuum before dropping it off. When I did drop it off I was offered a ES350, a GS350, a IS250, or the IS/F. I took the F . They asked me when I would need to pick up the car not "it should be ready around" line. They even said that if it was convenient for me I could keep the loaner through the weekend as it was dropped of on a friday.

The dealer experience has been outstanding. Yes you do pay for that some way or another, just like everything in life. You can choose the Mariott or you can stay at a Red Roof Inn. They both have good beds and are clean. The Mariot experience is better. It costs more. I'm fortunate enough to be able to afford the finer things in life (I didn't get here giving money away) and I like them. I look for overall costs/value, not just the up front price.

 

[Simonwpb]

I went to go drive one the day I actually purchased the Lexus but was unable to find a dealer. I thought there was one near me on the "dealership row" and when I went there was none.

If you cannot find a Genesis dealer near where you live you would be crazy to consider owning one. All other shopping considerations aside if you do not have a conveniently located local dealer that is a big negative, no matter what the brand experience when you get there.

 

[garwal]

AWD was important to me. I did not drive the Genesis as there was not a dealer close by. I went to go drive one the day I actually purchased the Lexus but was unable to find a dealer. I thought there was one near me on the "dealership row" and when I went there was none. I wanted to at least drive the Genesis but in the end it was to large, to new, and I really wanted a true Luxury experience including a dealership that has experience dealing with the type of person that expects perfection.

When I picked up my car from the initial 1000 mile service/ XM install it was washed, waxed, and the interior was cleaned. It was a bit messy when I dropped it off. So much so that I considered a quick vacuum before dropping it off. When I did drop it off I was offered a ES350, a GS350, a IS250, or the IS/F. I took the F . They asked me when I would need to pick up the car not "it should be ready around" line. They even said that if it was convenient for me I could keep the loaner through the weekend as it was dropped of on a friday.

The dealer experience has been outstanding. Yes you do pay for that some way or another, just like everything in life. You can choose the Mariott or you can stay at a Red Roof Inn. They both have good beds and are clean. The Mariot experience is better. It costs more. I'm fortunate enough to be able to afford the finer things in life (I didn't get here giving money away) and I like them. I look for overall costs/value, not just the up front price.

I get the point "Your a Lexus fan" enough now. Your making me sick. I made a different decision than you based on driving all the new models and had the money to buy anyone I wanted. I picked the Genesis based on the ride and how it drove. Pound for pound it is a best buy. Glad you like yours but I think I remember this being a Genesis Forum,am I wrong?

Just a few quick shots of MY new Genesis . Titanium Gray Metallic, Tech Package, had the windows done first day and yes I got a loaner.

The Charger is gone and in it's place is this .

 

[ata10]

Well, congratulations on your new Lexus!

 

[John M]

Actualy I paid $37K for a car that MSRP at $42K. It also has a V6. Glad to see you are so educated about Lexus. My passenger seat is ventilated as well. Maybe that's where the extra money goes. The pre-collision system works flawlessly on Lexus.

Ok Mr. snide remarks - I'll switch gears and play it your way:

Sorry I'm not up to date on the cheapest Lexus offered. The only ones in my family are LS 430s and 460s. The IS series is waste, and especially the 250. A V6 with a whopping 204 horsepower? Look out for those Sonatas! At least the L on the front will impress your friends. Seriously -- the fact that your passenger seat is ventilated is a key deciding factor?

You didn't get a great deal on the car because of your bargaining skills. You got a deal because Lexus has a huge markup and they have plenty of room to negotiate.

Also I'm a very competent mechanic and can "service" my car on my own. Using the parts I choose. A little research and you can easily find Lexus parts well below dealer prices. Lexus includes the first two services in the purchase. That incorporates the 1000 mile initial check up and customer preference settings. The second is at 5000 miles for all the maintenace items including an oil change w/ synthetic. I will recieve a loaner as this is Lexus policy not an option....

If you're going to do all your own work, why do you care about a loaner? I don't want a loaner from anybody because I own several vehicles and prefer to drive my own. My brother got an RX 330 as a loaner for his LS 430 and hated it -- all it did was guarantee he'd never own one. His 4Runner (V8 sport, AWD) is ten times better for less money (though it did cost more than an IS 250...)

That "free" initial service work was paid for when you bought your car. You'd choose one car over another for the cost of one oil change? There are plenty of dealerships that offer free lifetime oil changes if you purchase from them. It's just another sales gimmick.

Since cost is so important to you I'll remind you that bottom line Lexus has the lowest overall cost of ownership. When it's time to sell the Lexus I will sell it quickly and I will get top dollar.

Honda owners can make the same claim and you don't see me buying a Honda either. You would have had just as good a return on a Camry or Avalon and would have had a better car too -- it just wouldn't say Lexus.

Your purchase fits the Genesis market strategy to a T. First time luxury buyers will be swayed to a traditional luxury brand because of the image. Returning luxury buyers will be attracted to the Genesis because they realize they can get the same features at nearly half the initial cost, image be damned.

 

[Genesis X]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Wow! A lot of haters. Jealous I guess.

I posted my experience here as I was one of the first to sign up and was considering a Genesis. Many discussions here, long before any of you signed up, on the value of the Genesis compared to other luxury brands. I was just relaying my experience.

Bottom line. You own a Hyundai. No matter "how you slice it". It will always be Hyundai. When you go to trade or resale it will still be a Hyundai.
Actually you don't even own a Hyundai, let alone a Genesis. You're a wanna be Hyundai owner. Sad. Do you even own a car or do you just pretend to own one? I see cars listed in your sig, a three year old Suby and a couple you don't own. You are so insecure you have to list the cars that you don't even own. Maybe when you trade in those three Azeras you'll have enough for the down payment on that shiny new Genesis. Good news is that there will be enough room for the "Family" in that huge car.

I don't care about brand image other than it's relation to resale and value. The problem is most people do care about brand image. When it's time to move on from the IS or the Hyundai "bottom line" is I will have no issues selling my Lexus for top dollar, quickly. The Genesis on the other hand will have to wait and see. Hope it holds it's value.

 

[Stormy]

Wow, a lot of hate in this thread.

Ask for a Lexus with rain-sensing wipers, auto-focusing/leveling/turning headlights, electronic rear window shade, reverse camera, superior navigation, and a lexicon sound system and see how much it costs...

The IS is entry-level luxury. The Genesis is best in class luxury. There's a huge difference.

 

[Sal Collaziano]

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