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List of Stand-Alone Genesis Dealerships

This info is for Canada, so not dealerships per se, but showrooms/experience centres.

Currently 4 up and running w/ 11 under construction and 6 in the planning stages.

Eventually all 30 Genesis distributorships will have a showroom/experience centre.

Like elsewhere, the Canadian market is seeing supply issues w/ buyers waiting months for their GV80s and GV70s (longer w as it on the GV70); this sudden increase in the # of b&m facilities may foretell increased supply, starting w/ the eGV70 which will enter production this year in Alabama.
Why would supply issues even be a topic now when there are so many other models that have had supply issues for over 2 years now..including Escalade...Mercedes S class
etc?

Where are these 4 up and running Genesis dealerships and do they operate COMPLETELY independent of the Hyundai dealership?

My definition is of free standing is like the over 100 Lexus dealerships that were open when the brand launched in the United States

Warren
 
Be patient :) Rome was not built in a day
According to legend, Rome was founded in the year 753 B.C. Meanwhile, research suggests the city began as a small farming settlement around 600 B.C.
 
Yeah in just 7 years, GMA has 3 free standing dedicated full service dealerships in operation, in spite of pandemics and bad hair days!

Freestanding Genesis Dedicated Stores

(If you know of additional qualifying dealerships that are currently operational, please submit details.)

Maybe Genesis will surpass Lexus in the next J.D. Power Customer Service Index Study. 😄😄😄
 
Yeah in just 7 years, GMA has 3 free standing dedicated full service dealerships in operation, in spite of pandemics and bad hair days!

Again, there are more than 3 (most of them being in temp digs).

By the end of the year, there should be more than 20 new standalone dealerships up and running or nearly completed.

The biggest reason for delay is the lack of adequate supply.

Due to the substantially higher # of Genesis franchises than was originally planned, there is only enough vehicles for each dealership to get 16-17 each month.

That simply isn't enough product to sustain the cost of a brand new dealership.

The situation was even worse before the arrivals of the GV80 and GV70.



Why would supply issues even be a topic now when there are so many other models that have had supply issues for over 2 years now..including Escalade...Mercedes S class
etc?

Where are these 4 up and running Genesis dealerships and do they operate COMPLETELY independent of the Hyundai dealership?

My definition is of free standing is like the over 100 Lexus dealerships that were open when the brand launched in the United States


Ughh, we already went over this.

We're taking supply issues for the entire brand, not specific models.

Cadillac sold 40,594 Escalades last year.

Even if they can't build Escalade fast enough to meet demand, Cadillac has enough product overall to keep their dealerships afloat (esp as many are joint dealerships supported by a Chevy or Buick/GMC store).

Genesis, as a brand sold 49,621 in 2021.

That's not much more than what just the Escalade did in sales and definitely not enough vehicles to go around to sustain the cost of a new standalone dealership.

Once again (from prior post)...

And we're not talking about having to support 65 or even 121 dealerships, but around 300.

Lexus did nearly 100k in sales in 1993 (99,280).

That means for the 121 or so dealerships, they, on avg., did 820 in sales for the year.

For the current # of Genesis dealerships to attain the same 820 in sales, Genesis would have to do 242k in sales for the year.

That's more than the entire current production capacity for Genesis and Genesis won't come close to being able to supply that kind of number for years.



Toyota had plenty of supply for its Lexus dealerships - hence, it warranted them to quickly build new dealerships.

As opposed to 820+ vehicles, the typical Genesis store is getting 155-160 vehicles/yr right now.

That simply is not even close to being able to sustain a new dealership.
 
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Please post the details on the operational qualifying locations beyond the 3 listed.

Doesn't need to be a new building (Santa Monica is in temp digs while building a new store and South Richmond converted an existing building but both locations are freestanding full service Genesis dedicated dealerships.

I've tried to get a list of operational locations from GMA Consumer Affairs but they provided a list of Hyundai stores and didn't even list Lafayette, LA.
 
By the end of the year, there should be more than 20 new standalone dealerships up and running or nearly completed.
Could you post a list of those Genesis retail locations you're referencing?

If they will be open by year end, they should be added to the list of 4 that have been verified, (Santa Monica, Lafayette, South Richmond and Greer).

Thanks
 

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Again, there are more than 3 (most of them being in temp digs).

By the end of the year, there should be more than 20 new standalone dealerships up and running or nearly completed.

The biggest reason for delay is the lack of adequate supply.

Due to the substantially higher # of Genesis franchises than was originally planned, there is only enough vehicles for each dealership to get 16-17 each month.

That simply isn't enough product to sustain the cost of a brand new dealership.

The situation was even worse before the arrivals of the GV80 and GV70.






Ughh, we already went over this.

We're taking supply issues for the entire brand, not specific models.

Cadillac sold 40,594 Escalades last year.

Even if they can't build Escalade fast enough to meet demand, Cadillac has enough product overall to keep their dealerships afloat (esp as many are joint dealerships supported by a Chevy or Buick/GMC store).

Genesis, as a brand sold 49,621 in 2021.

That's not much more than what just the Escalade did in sales and definitely not enough vehicles to go around to sustain the cost of a new standalone dealership.

Once again (from prior post)...

And we're not talking about having to support 65 or even 121 dealerships, but around 300.

Lexus did nearly 100k in sales in 1993 (99,280).

That means for the 121 or so dealerships, they, on avg., did 820 in sales for the year.

For the current # of Genesis dealerships to attain the same 820 in sales, Genesis would have to do 242k in sales for the year.

That's more than the entire current production capacity for Genesis and Genesis won't come close to being able to supply that kind of number for years.



Toyota had plenty of supply for its Lexus dealerships - hence, it warranted them to quickly build new dealerships.

As opposed to 820+ vehicles, the typical Genesis store is getting 155-160 vehicles/yr right now.

That simply is not even close to being able to sustain a new dealership.
Here we go with you selecting just a snippet of the information

Why would go to Lexus in 1993 when they had been around for years in free standing dealerships before then

Lexus started with 65 dealers in the United States in 1989 and sold 16,000 vehicles

Your math/theory is flawed in the fact they how could Toyota have known how many cars were going to sell

You are acting like they can look at what was sold and then be able to react with dealerships at initial offering

But..yes we shall see on these 20 dealerships you mentioned

Warren
 
Opened 1-2-23. Very well done.
Nice looking building

Very odd that they are not seeking to try to break into the luxury markets first where there is a lot of volume sold of high end vehicles

Warren
 
Nice looking building

Very odd that they are not seeking to try to break into the luxury markets first where there is a lot of volume sold of high end vehicles

Warren
I believe the same dealership group owns the Mercedes, Audi and Volvo dealerships in Appleton, as well as the new freestanding Genesis store. The Bergstrom group must have a lot of confidence in the Genesis brand to make the investment in the new free standing location.
 
I believe the same dealership group owns the Mercedes, Audi and Volvo dealerships in Appleton, as well as the new freestanding Genesis store. The Bergstrom group must have a lot of confidence in the Genesis brand to make the investment in the new free standing location.

Bergstrom seems like they have all the car line including the luxury lines. Yes the have Audi, MB, BMW, Porsche, Volvo, etc. This Was The best buying experience I’ve had for a vehicle ever. Too bad they’re 95 miles away and I could get all my service work done there too. They deserve it.

First car I’ve ever bought online, phone calls and photos. Upfront pricing was incredible and with the two $1000 rebates their $6300 discount was awesome. Trade-in value very good made the deal a no-brainer even though I wasn’t looking to replace my GV70 with 31,000 miles.

My first phone call connected me with Rodney my sales rep and he explained their business model. The sales people do not work on commission, they’re evaluated on customer satisfaction. They drove 95 miles for free and delivered my new G80 and took my GV70… I couldn’t be happier.
 
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I believe the same dealership group owns the Mercedes, Audi and Volvo dealerships in Appleton, as well as the new freestanding Genesis store. The Bergstrom group must have a lot of confidence in the Genesis brand to make the investment in the new free standing location.
What I meant was why not build first in a large luxury market first where you know there is a lot of available buyers
ie...Dallas, Houston, Chicago, New York, LA ,Miami

I am pretty sure that is where Lexus broke ground first..or at the very least had a very strong presence...if I recall correctly when Lexus started they opened with at least 2-3 in the Dallas area in 1989
Dallas, where I grew up, is a very strong Mercedes and BMW market where are there are about 5-6 of each franchise. I think today Lexus has 4 franchises in the Dallas area

Warren
 
Here we go with you selecting just a snippet of the information

Why would go to Lexus in 1993 when they had been around for years in free standing dealerships before then

Lexus started with 65 dealers in the United States in 1989 and sold 16,000 vehicles

Your math/theory is flawed in the fact they how could Toyota have known how many cars were going to sell

You are acting like they can look at what was sold and then be able to react with dealerships at initial offering

But..yes we shall see on these 20 dealerships you mentioned

Warren



Sigh, didn't I already debunk all of this?

Lexus in 1989 sold a total of 16,302 vehicles, so around 250 vehicles per dealership.

This past year, Genesis sold a total of 56,198 vehicles, so around 200 vehicles per the roughly 280 dealerships (down from around 300).

Previous to 2021, Genesis was selling 10k to 20k vehicles a month - barely able to break even selling out of Hyundai dealerships and no where close to being able to support a new standalone store.

Even at 56k sales for the year, wouldn't be enough to support new, standalone dealerships unless the # of dealerships shrunk dramatically (remember, the initial plan was for around 100 dealerships, but that was derailed by the lawsuits).

But the thing you left out about the 1989 initial Lexus sales was that it was only for 4 months (official sales began on Sept. 1), so Lexus dealerships were moving, on average, 62 vehicles a month from Sept. to Dec.

In contrast, Genesis dealerships were moving, on average, only 16 vehicles a month last year.

In previous years, they were moving much less - in 2018, on avg. were moving less than 3 vehicles a month!

In its first full year of sales, Lexus sold 63,534 - which is more than what Genesis sold last year with far more dealerships taking a cut of the sales pie.

In its 3rd full year of sales, Lexus sold 93k - again, with far fewer dealerships.

The issue isn't so much whether Toyota knew whether Lexus vehicles were going to sell (that was the gamble each individual dealership had to take), but whether they had the production capacity to support the dealer network they were planning on.

Toyota had the production capacity to support a 65 and shortly thereafter (within a couple of years) a 100+ dealer network.

Hyundai currently does not have the production capacity to support a 280 (much less 300) dealership network, which is why the initial plan was for a network of 100 dealerships.

If that initial plan of 100 dealerships had gone through, we would have seen new standalone dealerships much earlier as those dealerships would have gotten a greater allocation.
 
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What I meant was why not build first in a large luxury market first where you know there is a lot of available buyers
ie...Dallas, Houston, Chicago, New York, LA ,Miami

I am pretty sure that is where Lexus broke ground first..or at the very least had a very strong presence...if I recall correctly when Lexus started they opened with at least 2-3 in the Dallas area in 1989
Dallas, where I grew up, is a very strong Mercedes and BMW market where are there are about 5-6 of each franchise. I think today Lexus has 4 franchises in the Dallas area

Warren

Again, because land and the cost of construction are prohibitive (much more so today than it was in 1988-1989).

What owner/GM of a dealership would invest millions into a new store when there was no chance that they would ever get the allocation of vehicles which would support such an investment for years to come?

There's a reason why Sterling Auto Group built their 1st Genesis store in low cost Louisiana and not Houston, where they also have a presence.

Not an issue for O'Gara Couch (Genesis of Westlake) as they already had a building/showroom in place.
 
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Sigh, didn't I already debunk all of this?

Lexus in 1989 sold a total of 16,302 vehicles, so around 250 vehicles per dealership.

This past year, Genesis sold a total of 56,198 vehicles, so around 200 vehicles per the roughly 280 dealerships (down from around 300).

Previous to 2021, Genesis was selling 10k to 20k vehicles a month - barely able to break even selling out of Hyundai dealerships and no where close to being able to support a new standalone store.

Even at 56k sales for the year, wouldn't be enough to support new, standalone dealerships unless the # of dealerships shrunk dramatically (remember, the initial plan was for around 100 dealerships, but that was derailed by the lawsuits).

But the thing you left out about the 1989 initial Lexus sales was that it was only for 4 months (official sales began on Sept. 1), so Lexus dealerships were moving, on average, 62 vehicles a month from Sept. to Dec.

In contrast, Genesis dealerships were moving, on average, only 16 vehicles a month last year.

In previous years, they were moving much less - in 2018, on avg. were moving less than 3 vehicles a month!

In its first full year of sales, Lexus sold 63,534 - which is more than what Genesis sold last year with far more dealerships taking a cut of the sales pie.

In its 3rd full year of sales, Lexus sold 93k - again, with far fewer dealerships.

The issue isn't so much whether Toyota knew whether Lexus vehicles were going to sell (that was the gamble each individual dealership had to take), but whether they had the production capacity to support the dealer network they were planning on.

Toyota had the production capacity to support a 65 and shortly thereafter (within a couple of years) a 100+ dealer network.

Hyundai currently does not have the production capacity to support a 280 (much less 300) dealership network, which is why the initial plan was for a network of 100 dealerships.

If that initial plan of 100 dealerships had gone through, we would have seen new standalone dealerships much earlier as those dealerships would have gotten a greater allocation.
How could you debunk anything....
There is no way Toyota had a crystal ball to know how many vehicles they were going to sell when they brought Lexus to market in 1989

What significance does the 3rd year that Lexus was in the US market have to Genesis?

Warren
 
Again, because land and the cost of construction are prohibitive (much more so today than it was in 1988-1989).

What owner/GM of a dealership would invest millions into a new store when there was no chance that they would ever get the allocation of vehicles which would support such an investment for years to come?

There's a reason why Sterling Auto Group built their 1st Genesis store in low cost Louisiana and not Houston, where they also have a presence.

Not an issue for O'Gara Couch (Genesis of Westlake) as they already had a building/showroom in place.
What is not more expensive than it was in 1989?

The other part of that is that they built Lexus dealerships in luxury ( very expensive) prime property locales in 1989

Again, from what I see of Genesis they are not trying to enter the high volume luxury markets

So again..your points dont hold water, because Toyota did just that with Lexus

Even if we use your " allocation" point that just drives prices over over MSRP.provided the demand is there in the first place

Warren
 
By the end of the year, there should be more than 20 new standalone dealerships up and running or nearly completed.
Based on available info, the year ended with far fewer than 20+ new dealerships but if you have info on additional locations that opened, please post so the list below can be updated.

Thank you.


CA
GENESIS SANTA MONICA1100 Santa Monica Blvd, Santa Monica, CA 90401424-268-8087
LA
GENESIS OF LAFAYETTE6600 Johnston St, Lafayette, LA 70503877-856-2961
SC
GENESIS OF GREER13740 E. Wade Hampton Blvd., Greer, SC 29651855-867-7083
VA
GENESIS OF SOUTH RICHMOND9530 Midlothian Turnpike, Richmond, VA 23235804-521-0200
WI
GENESIS OF APPLETON2900 Victory Lane Appleton, WI 54913(920) 939-3333
 
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