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My first impression of the Genesis

GrandPrix08

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Well, I had a brief chance to go down to the local dealer(well, took me 35 minutes to get there even with the help of the GPS after I inputed the exact address, GPS didn't find anything by the name Paramus Hyundai before). I was on a schedule and could not stay there for long but I did get a glimpse of the cars they had.

Paramus Dodge/Hyundai seemed to have 4 Genesis right out in front. 3 on the lot and 1 black one(could have been navy blue, don't remember) inside, in the showroom with the Veracruz. I didn't have time to go in to the bigger lot of them behind the opened gate, so if they had more, they would have been in there, but of those 4 cars which were out in the open, none of them had the tech package. I DID look at the sticker and found out that the lady who was on the phone a few days ago were telling the truth. They didn't list any extra costs such as 'market adjustment', they just had Premium Package with $750 freight that came out to be $36,000 on one car I saw, and the next one that had the price for $33,000. Must have been the base car, in silver if I remember correctly, which had $32,250 plus $750 freight printed in there as a freight. Now, I am not sure if the dealers who charge you 'market adjustment' fee prints that amount on the sticker, but that was what it had.

For the car, to me, it didn't look that big for me on the outside, I know, it's the inside that matters, which I haven't had the chance to try out, and maybe it's because, my Grand Prix is a longer and lower car that is sleeker than a rounder, higher and fatter Genesis that maybe a bit shorter in dimention to my car. It also didn't look that bigger than the Azera which was parked just beside it on the lot. The interior, I got the notion at first glance, that it looked like a generic Asian import, before I looked at the whole dashboard. The steering wheel and the gauge area seemed small and looked rather cheap looking from the outside that wouldn't be out of place from the last generation Camry. I know, I may be the only one. Though, when I looked at the whole dashboard, it looked a lot better. Also, it's front styling was too generic to really pop out of the view, and that made me look for the cars when I first got there. Though I did see the red one parked right in front by the door which you can't miss, I had to look through the lot to see if there are any others.

In terms of colors go, I think the light blue one(Don't know what they call it) they had looked the best for the Genesis, and the red one looked to be the worst color. Maybe because of the sun's glare, but that's what I thought.

There weren't anybody looking at the car when I was there, though I did spotted one Asian family talking with an Asian salesmen inside the showroom, maybe they were Korean, I am not sure, but it seemed like most people there were looking at Dodge's instead. It WAS a pretty big dealer I could tell, for they had loads of cars inside the opened gate, which I haven't had time to browse in, and if I get another chance, I may drop by again to actually try the seats if they let me, though it won't be for me and it will be for my dad later.

My first impression of the car were kinda mixed. I guess I am too used to the generally big, American cars(though my last 2 cars weren't big, I DID rode on some big American cars before, such as my dad's old '87 Buick LeSabre), I don't see that kind of interior of the Genesis as fitting for me, for I like the larger gauges and wider control area that the American cars have.

To me, the car didn't seem all that interesting to spawn that much hypes and it kinda gave me the feel of been there, done that kinda design that Hyundai should really brush up on. The interior DID look nice, however, it didn't really broke any new ground to be called a 'World Class'. I've seen Mercedes interior before, the design looks similar, but I still prefer the German design after looking at the car at close. BMW as well, which looked sportier. I DO prefer it over the Lexus or Infinities however. Still, I wish Hyundai a luck and want them succeed, for I do feel proud that they are selling the car of this sort, and I hope they do well, to bring up their reputation, and who knows, some day, they may be considerred as a brand close to Lexus and Infinity nameplate are these days.

Sorry about the long post, but that's what I think of my short encounter with this highly hyped new sedan from Korea. I may sound a bit negative, but until I can try out the interior, so far, that's what I think.
 
Thanks for sharing.

I don't have much to add except the fact that all Hyundais tend to look smaller than they are. The Sonata looks smaller than the Accord even though they're nearly identical in size. The Elantra doesn't look as big as a TL, but it is, etc. Not sure how you can say the Grand Prix of all cars looks lower and sleeker, but that's neither here nor there. It's your opinion, and you are entitled to it. :)
 
The following is courtesy of Consumer Reports:

Despite a redesign for 2004, the Grand Prix is a mediocre car. The Grand Prix's large exterior dimensions mask a cramped interior. The coupelike styling limits visibility and access, particularly to the rear. The ride is stiff and uncomfortable, the car isn't very agile, and the noisy engine and brakes are unimpressive.
THE DRIVING EXPERIENCE
The Grand Prix rides stiffly, with impacts coming through as pronounced kicks and short, abrupt ride motions. Even the highway ride feels jiggly. Wind noise is well-suppressed and the cabin is quiet, although the engine drones at low rpms. The Grand Prix isn't nimble, but it benefits from strong tire grip and contained body lean in corners. The steering feels heavy and doesn't provide much road feel. The car isn't very sporty, but when pushed to its handling limits on our track, it was secure and forgiving. The 200-hp, 3.8-liter V6 provides good low-speed response, and it got 20 mpg in mixed driving. The smooth four-speed automatic transmission lets the engine lug because of early up-shifts. Braking performance was adequate. The headlights provide very good low-beam and high-beam illumination.
INSIDE THE CABIN
Though improved over its predecessor, the Grand Prix's interior is no match for most competitors. Fit and finish is good, but trim quality is subpar. The low roofline and sunroof force taller drivers to sit reclined to find sufficient head room. The leather driver's seat offers manual and power adjustments, but seat cushions felt lumpy to some testers. The rear seats are very cramped and uncomfortable. The low cushion lacks any thigh support, while the seatback angle forces passengers forward. And the low roofline forces occupants to duck down when getting into or out of the car. The large gauges are clear and easy to read. Most controls are nicely lit at night, but the dimmer control is hidden. The audio-system controls on the steering wheel are not intuitive. The manual climate control works reasonably well. Storage areas include a deep center console. Two sturdy cup holders serve the front, but there are none for the rear. Folding down the 60/40-split seatbacks expands the trunk cargo area.
SAFETY NOTES
Head-protection curtain air bags that extend to protect front and rear occupants are an extra-cost option on the the Grand Prix. They supplement required front air bags and three-point seatbelts in all five seating positions. Front seatbelts are equipped with pretensioners and force-limiters to reduce belt slack and forces in the event of a crash. Adults may find the shoulder portion of the outboard rear belts tugs some on their shoulders, though they have comfort guides to help position the shoulder portion of the belt correctly for children who have outgrown child restraints or small-stature adults. There are no childproof locks on the rear doors. Adjustable and locking head restraints in the front seats and small integral restraints in the rear outboard seats are tall enough to provide adequate protection from whiplash even when the front versions are down. The rear center seatback is too low to provide protection. Daytime running lights are standard. Driving with kids: The ability of the buckle to move forward in the rear center and a button on the shoulder belt that retains the latch plate in the rear outboard seats may both prevent secure tightening of some rear facing infant seats. Front-facing seats may also not be secure in the rear center due to the cushion and seatback contour. There are LATCH anchors in the three rear seat positions but they are deeply recessed and difficult to access against the stiff seatback cushion. The position of the anchors also may prevent some trigger type rigid LATCH connectors from rotating to the correct angle to easily tighten the straps without twisting of the webbing. There are three tether anchor attachment points on the rear parcel shelf.
RELIABILITY
We expect reliability to be average, according to our latest subscriber survey.
 
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I know, Everybody hates Grand Prix, but, I am the only one who LOVES it. I am like the only one who hates G8, and LOVES Grand Prix. I just wrote it in comparison since to me, Grand Prix has the aggressive AMERICAN look that is lacking in the Genesis. As people say, styling is subjective, and also, the interiors. people hate tacky plasticks and wild interior, but I am one of those rare people who loves it. Heck I even LOVED the Plastic claddings associated with the 90's Pontiacs that tells you it IS a Pontiac.

I just don't like the generic styling of the Genesis. The interior, I will hold judgement until I test out its seats, but other facts is that, I don't like the imports to begin with, and am strictly a fan of American cars, no matter how good or bad or how bad the medias and magazines puts them down. I've always been a fan of Pontiacs until recently, when they are pretty much killing all the American Pontiacs and slowly turning it into an import seller. I don't care how good these Holden, or Toyota products are, and I don't care about rear wheel drive. Only cars I like are the AMERICAN Pontiac that was designed and built IN North America. Aside from Chevy(Which I hate most), I prefer American over Imports. I only route for the Genesis even though it's an import, only because it is from my native country.

As I have said a while back, there is an old saying 'If expectation is too great, disappointment is even greater'. I didn't say Genesis is a bad car, it's just not my type. It's not a car that is for me. I want the old 90's to 2000's Pontiacs with loads of A/C vents and the surrounding controls on the driver's seat, and I don't care about the interior room. As long as it's an AMERICAN Pontiac, that's what sells me the car. Part of the reason I despice Korean built LeMans, Aussie made GTO and G8, and Toyota made Vibe.

I've seen all the bad reviews of the Grand Prix, but I still prefer it over any imports nor Chevy's Impala garbage which I blame for the kill of the Grand Prix while Impala still lives on, and that's the reason I hate Chevy for.

Sorry, I just don't like the Genesis as a first impression. Hey, everyone has a different taste, and you can't force someone to like a car even if they don't.
 
I understand different people like different things. I was curious are you comparing your Grand Prix to the Genesis? It would seem the Genesis is a dissapointment to you compared to your Grand Prix.

You mention the Genesis might bring up Hyundai's reputation. With all due respect Hyundai's reputation since about the 2000 model year has went from good to almost outstanding!

This is the reason I shared some reviews from Consumer Reports. Consistently reviews from professionals and consumers alike rate Hyundai better than most domestic models and quite often rate them near the top when compared to all models.

My opinion is when spending alot of money for any new car reliability and how well a car is built to me is more important than large gauges. Again everyone is different.
 
Yeah, that, and also, I've been dreaming about the Grand Prix ever since I bought the 99 Grand Am. I was about $2,000 short to get a Grand Prix(by then, it wasn't even a re-design), and settled for the lessor Grand Am, which was new by then. I had about 2 accidents with that Grand Am, but I was so happy with the car as I was with my very first car, the 92 Sunbird, so I stayed true as a Pontiac fan all through. Now, GM is chasing me away from my once loved, favorite brand of mine by killing all the American Pontiacs in place of some re-badged import garbage or, if they are not doing it, just bringing in the ugly Chevys and just changing the grille and the logo, name of it. One way to disappoint it's loyal customers and chasing them away who are all looking for the good ol' American cars.

Also, I don't really trust Consumer Reports. Sure, Grand Prix's have went down gradually from it's stellar year 88 when it won Motor Trend's car of the year award, and EVERYBODY is chewing it down, but to me, it is one LAST dream car of mine that I didn't miss this time. Well, I almost missed it again due to GM's stupid decision to kill it and replace it with an uglier import from Australia, and removing one of the old name in place of that stupid G nomenclature. I already lost my first dream car Firebird, I decided, I won't let the Grand Prix slip my hand, so I went out and got the last breed of it, and I am very happy with it. It only has 200HP, and it's headroom is kinda low, but since I don't care about drivetrain nor power, all I care is the unique AMERICAN Pontiac styling, I am happy that I have finally achieved my dream.

Again, I am not chewing down the Genesis. Surely, it is like the best car that Hyundai have made so far, and it shows in most ways. It's just that, it is NOT a car made for me. It smells too much like a mishmash of other brands, and even the interior dash is too much of a rip-off of other brands here and there, and as I said earlier, it isn't a style that pops out from the group. It is just too generic looking to notice it unless you know about the car and looks for it while driving.

That's my point of view. Well, my fourth car may become a Chrysler product if Pontiac don't learn their lesson and unless they bring back American made Grand Prix or Bonniville, they lost me as their customer for good, not that they will care about losing one customer and they will just laugh about it. but....
 
I understand..........It's been awhile but I had a brand new 1978 Pontiac Grand Prix (rear drive 301 V-8) and I ordered a brand new 1980 turbocharged
301 V-8 Pontiac Trans Am. I have had those and Chevy's, Dodges, Fords, and a Oldsmobile.

I wished all good things were built in the USA so don't get me wrong. Unfortunately that isn't the case. I guess the Sonata and Santa Fe are built in Alabama but I doubt that you count that.

The mistake I made was I was tired of taking vehicles to the shop to much and tried my first Hyundai in 2000 after frustrations with many of my previous cars.

Mmmmmmm maybe it wasn't a mistake
 

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I'll read the rest of this later.. I've got to run. But GrandPrix08 - you need to sit in the Genesis - at LEAST - to form a decent opinion... This is a $35-$40k car! How "ground-breaking" does it need to be? Maybe the interior doesn't make you faint in awe - who cares? It's not a $100k car. At least sit in it - or better yet - drive it! Then form a solid opinion. Please. Do it for me. :) Then come back with negative opinions.
 
The mistake I made was I was tired of taking vehicles to the shop to much and tried my first Hyundai in 2000 after frustrations with many of my previous cars.

That is the number one benefit for me also with Hyundai.

3 Hyundai's 0 trips to dealers for warranty work. Zero as in NEVER.

Compared to any other cars/trucks/vans I had, there were multiple trips to the dealer for warranty, recall, revision work.

The 2003 Volvo S80 T6 with revised "fixed" turbochargers that went through 6 turbos in 12,000 miles. The 7 turbo seal kits in the next 5K. The service rep asked me why I kept bringing it in because it has a 7 quart pan. I should just add a quart every week or so. I still have the 3 foot oil stain in my garage as a reminder of the first day I brought Volvos flagship home. Oh yeah 2 transmissions also. I've never babied a car like I did this one. I think 85 was the top speed I ever took it. Dozens of recalls. Don't think I even spooled up the turbos.

The 2000 Volvo S40 that never got the electrical bugs worked out. Right rear window went down with the drivers window. The headlights turned on during the day and off at night. Great feature. Lost count on the software fixes.

The 96 Chrysler T&C Limited minivan I had with the "fixed" transmission had 4 new transmissions installed by 36,000 miles. 4 more after the warranty expired and partially covered by the 7/70 warranty. 2 more after warranty before I had a Jasper transmission installed that went 36,000 miles and still going strong when I sold it. Should have just done this to begin with. Jasper has a lifetime (original customer) warranty, parts and labor, on their transmissions.

I've had a couple of dealers tell me that the Azera has only had 3 transmissions replaced since it's introduction. Total!!!
 
Thanks for sharing your honest opinions GrandPrix. I also recommend you take the time to sit inside and drive one before discounting the Genesis.

Comparing a Grand Prix coupe to a large 4-door sedan is sort of apples and oranges. I had zero experience with Hyundai before this month. I had never driven in or been in a Hyundai before going to the dealer a few weeks ago. What I saw was enough to change my purchase intentions 180 degrees.

I have owned a wide variety of cars, trucks and SUV's and I was most impressed with the interior fit and finish of the Genesis. I agree the exterior is certainly not a bold new look but I think that was on purpose. Imitiation is the biggest form of flattery and this car has the front of a Mercedes and the rear of a Bimmer. A unique styling on their first lux model would have been jumped on by nay-sayers... maybe they will get more adventurous in the future. Either way beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and time will tell if this car is a success or not
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I'll read the rest of this later.. I've got to run. But GrandPrix08 - you need to sit in the Genesis - at LEAST - to form a decent opinion... This is a $35-$40k car! How "ground-breaking" does it need to be? Maybe the interior doesn't make you faint in awe - who cares? It's not a $100k car. At least sit in it - or better yet - drive it! Then form a solid opinion. Please. Do it for me. :) Then come back with negative opinions.

Well, as I said before, I didn't really have that much time, so I had to make my stay brief, unless I would have got in trouble from my work since then, I may have to come out with an excuse of me taking so much time on something that won't really take much of. Also, I never expect to see the interior that are awe-inspiring like the top of the line Mercedes, or anything fancy. What I look for in a gauge clusters, is the Big, large readouts that is wrapped in opened space, not like the ones that gives you the feeling that you are in arcade, looking at the game's screen. So, to me, any gauges that houses into a little box thing or something like it is out of the question, which, most Japanese cars have. If you know what I'm talking about. Kind of interiors I like are the ones that have longer, eliptical shape of the gauge with the long flowing lines that connects all the way to the door and posibly with many A/C vents like most Pontiacs in the 90s to 2000's. The gauges that have large enough readouts that gives you that old-fashioned American muscle cars. My 92 Sunbird was in a way, kinda looked like a Japanese dash design, but its housing were more eliptical and the center consol was close enough to be different. Part of the reason that I love of 08 Grand Prix is that, it has more than twice as large numbers and readouts than my 99 Grand Am, and the center consol is right next to it with all the needed controls where you need them that also has some funky, wild look that I love in a Pontiac, something the Aussie made G8 seriously lack. I also love the huge leather seats that I didn't experience in a previous model Sonata I got to drive about few years ago. I am not sure how big the Genesis seat is yet since I haven't had the chance to feel it, but so far, I am really happy about my Grand Prix.

To me, 35K - 45K should be a car that should have something to really differentiate the lessor cars. My Grand Prix is the 25K - 30K car, well, a bit less than that actually, which is a lot less categorized car, but when I compare the two cars steering wheel for example, I prefer my car's with an aluminum mixed in it, rather than Genesis's that look pretty similar to other lessor Hyundai lines. When I drove the Sonata before(I know, it was a 4 Cylinder car), I absolutely hated it's feel that was so light that didn't give me any driving enjoyment. Maybe Genesis is different in that since it is a much bigger car, but the look alone didn't win me over. I don't know, maybe my dad WILL, since it WILL be for him later, but, to me, it's a no-no.

Also little things like Trunk lid hinge of the Genesis versus the Grand Prix's strut based system, storage plenty Grand Prix versus Genesis's lack of some storage, Fold down rear seats of Grand Prix versus the stationary Genesis, fold down passenger seat versus stationary Genesis passenger seat and so on, just adds to insult to the opinion of mine that does not do anything to me to like the car in any way.

This morning, one of the dealer I spoke to before, Liberty Hyundai actually called me(I guess he had some more cars in) and asked if I can make time for a Test Drive, I had to let him go since I wasn't sure if I can make time, to go there since it a bit farther away. It's like the farthest dealer of the 4 I have called before, but I guess they are one dealer who is ready for my business if I were to get a car from Hyundai, for I had no calls whatsoever from any other Hyundais so far.
 
That is the number one benefit for me also with Hyundai.

3 Hyundai's 0 trips to dealers for warranty work. Zero as in NEVER.

Compared to any other cars/trucks/vans I had, there were multiple trips to the dealer for warranty, recall, revision work.

The 2003 Volvo S80 T6 with revised "fixed" turbochargers that went through 6 turbos in 12,000 miles. The 7 turbo seal kits in the next 5K. The service rep asked me why I kept bringing it in because it has a 7 quart pan. I should just add a quart every week or so. I still have the 3 foot oil stain in my garage as a reminder of the first day I brought Volvos flagship home. Oh yeah 2 transmissions also. I've never babied a car like I did this one. I think 85 was the top speed I ever took it. Dozens of recalls. Don't think I even spooled up the turbos.

The 2000 Volvo S40 that never got the electrical bugs worked out. Right rear window went down with the drivers window. The headlights turned on during the day and off at night. Great feature. Lost count on the software fixes.

The 96 Chrysler T&C Limited minivan I had with the "fixed" transmission had 4 new transmissions installed by 36,000 miles. 4 more after the warranty expired and partially covered by the 7/70 warranty. 2 more after warranty before I had a Jasper transmission installed that went 36,000 miles and still going strong when I sold it. Should have just done this to begin with. Jasper has a lifetime (original customer) warranty, parts and labor, on their transmissions.

I've had a couple of dealers tell me that the Azera has only had 3 transmissions replaced since it's introduction. Total!!!

Funny you should mention about Volvo, since we too, had number of electrical problems on my ma's 96 Volvo 850, and we had to make several trips to the dealer for the same problems that kept on comming back even when the car was still on warranty.

Especially when Volvo is known for their excellent track record and reliabilty, this was one of the surprices.
 
Thanks for sharing your honest opinions GrandPrix. I also recommend you take the time to sit inside and drive one before discounting the Genesis.

Comparing a Grand Prix coupe to a large 4-door sedan is sort of apples and oranges. I had zero experience with Hyundai before this month. I had never driven in or been in a Hyundai before going to the dealer a few weeks ago. What I saw was enough to change my purchase intentions 180 degrees.

I have owned a wide variety of cars, trucks and SUV's and I was most impressed with the interior fit and finish of the Genesis. I agree the exterior is certainly not a bold new look but I think that was on purpose. Imitiation is the biggest form of flattery and this car has the front of a Mercedes and the rear of a Bimmer. A unique styling on their first lux model would have been jumped on by nay-sayers... maybe they will get more adventurous in the future. Either way beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and time will tell if this car is a success or not


Well, just to let you know, my GP is a 4 Door. They stopped making 2 Door(which is the original, and the one I miss) from 2004 model year when they re-designed it.
 
Funny you should mention about Volvo, since we too, had number of electrical problems on my ma's 96 Volvo 850, and we had to make several trips to the dealer for the same problems that kept on comming back even when the car was still on warranty.

Especially when Volvo is known for their excellent track record and reliabilty, this was one of the surprices.

I had a 96 Volvo 850 also. Great car. I owe Volvo big time. My boys started driving in 02 and they totaled all three. Any other car and they wouldn't be here. Incrediably safe cars.

Thanks VOLVO!!
 
I had a 96 Volvo 850 also. Great car. I owe Volvo big time. My boys started driving in 02 and they totaled all three. Any other car and they wouldn't be here. Incrediably safe cars.

Thanks VOLVO!!

I know, Volvos has always been, and IS still one of the safest cars around. If you look at the preparations they do in Sweden for the safety, it's just amazing. Dropping the car from the steep cliffs, Dropping a crain over it, and all kinds of crazy stuffs. No wonder they always do well in crash tests. Even if they didn't have the airbags, Volvos are still the trademark for safety. They were also up at the top when it comes to reliability and all, but I guess we weren't lucky with the car we got. All kinds of electrical problems that pops up repeatedly, that returns after a few while even AFTER getting them fixed. Maybe we got unlucky with the dealer's shop as well. Even my 99 Grand Am(with 2 accidents) had far less problems than the Volvo. Hell, I Never had problems with any of the Pontiacs I had.
 
I know, Volvos has always been, and IS still one of the safest cars around.

The dealer I bought my three Volvos from had parked his wagon in front of his dealership.

His wife was driving it when she found a semi had stopped on the road. She stopped but the truck driver behind her never saw the stopped semi and ran straight in to it, with her in the middle. 55,000 pounds of truck at 70 miles an hour, no skid marks.

When they pulled the truck off they opened her drivers door and she walked out. The driver of the rear truck was killed.

I bought the cars for their dependability but their safety is the real value.
 
Thanks for sharing your honest opinions GrandPrix. I also recommend you take the time to sit inside and drive one before discounting the Genesis.

Comparing a Grand Prix coupe to a large 4-door sedan is sort of apples and oranges. I had zero experience with Hyundai before this month. I had never driven in or been in a Hyundai before going to the dealer a few weeks ago. What I saw was enough to change my purchase intentions 180 degrees.

I have owned a wide variety of cars, trucks and SUV's and I was most impressed with the interior fit and finish of the Genesis. I agree the exterior is certainly not a bold new look but I think that was on purpose. Imitiation is the biggest form of flattery and this car has the front of a Mercedes and the rear of a Bimmer. A unique styling on their first lux model would have been jumped on by nay-sayers... maybe they will get more adventurous in the future. Either way beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and time will tell if this car is a success or not
Actually, their first luxury styling in America WAS criticized. So this blend of already successful designs is good for the Genesis (in my opinion).

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That kinda dash with a bit more eliptical gauge housing is my kinda design, unless it's the Mercedes S-class style that has that elegant look without the small hole for the gauges like the Genesis have. As for the volvo, here is a little, aging clip that show you how well the Volvo have held on in a head-on collision that didn't even had airbags. It's as bad as what RichieRichLancair have experienced I think.

http://z4.invisionfree.com/CarsDiscussion_HQ/index.php?showtopic=98
 
Guess I haven't been paying attention to Grand Prix as well as Hyundai!

My wife used to drive a Volvo 960. It was a safe and reliable car but I didn't like the interior, I thought it was very plastic. When she pawned it off on me and took my SUV it took me about a month before I traded it in.
 
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