New Hyundai recall #201 (ABS)

[fujifisher]

So I called the dealership and she said that the "remedy not available yet" on their recall site meant no dealerships in the nation can fix it yet. And based off that CarAndDriver article it might not be until May? So I'm supposed to park outside and drive around wondering if my vehicle will spontaneously combust for the next 6 weeks?

 

[joegr]

So I called the dealership and she said that the "remedy not available yet" on their recall site meant no dealerships in the nation can fix it yet. And based off that CarAndDriver article it might not be until May? So I'm supposed to park outside and drive around wondering if my vehicle will spontaneously combust for the next 6 weeks?

Looks like you are worrying about something with a 0.002 % chance of happening... There's probably a lot of other stuff with those odds or greater to worry about as well.

 

[fujifisher]

Looks like you are worrying about something with a 0.002 % chance of happening... There's probably a lot of other stuff with those odds or greater to worry about as well.

You're right it is an extremely low chance of anything happening (although Hyundai is estimating 1% have the defect, a fire has only occurred in 3 vehicles so far). And I went and read the recall PDF posted and Hyundai says the cars are safe to continue driving.

I just live in not the nicest area and usually park in my garage. I'd prefer not to have to street park until May. Hoping they are able to get the dealership the parts faster than anticipated.

 

[carguy75]

Looks like you are worrying about something with a 0.002 % chance of happening... There's probably a lot of other stuff with those odds or greater to worry about as well.

Easy for you to say until your Genny set your house on fire since Hyundai is going to officially warn owners to park their cars outside and away from any buildings until the fuses are swapped out. Even if the odds is small that it will happen; the manufacturer recommends not parking in your home(or near it) is a clear sign the problem is a serious one.

The car possibly burning down the house in some random ABS module short that can happen when the car is parked at anytime is something to be worried about.

 

[Suburbazine]

I don't know why the rollout is so delayed for a fuse change. I went and grabbed some 25 and 30A MCASE Mini fuses off Amazon.

 

[carguy75]

Wonder if I should stop using "Auto Hold"...?

Probably will help.

I just pulled out my two 40 amp fuses that says "VCD/ECS". I assume that they are the ABS fuses in question. My car is parked until the weather warm up, so hopefully I will get some more information on the proper fuses to use before I use my Genesis again.

I do not want it turning into a fireball in the mean time.

 

[Mikebrooks]

Hopefully, they don't stop at just replacing the fuse. Lowering the amperage while having a defective component may reduce the risk of fire, but it doesn't make the root cause disappear.

 

[phdegraff]

Thanks to carguy and speeder for finding relevant documents!

The young man who answered the dealer's service phone didn't seem worried about this - leading me to be all the more concerned.
He said we should be getting an email or letter but wouldn't say when and didn't have any further info.

What is involved in removing or replacing the subject fuse? Is it easily accessible or not?

But most importantly what are the (driving) consequences of removing the fuse?

What operating functions are disabled when the subject fuse is removed?

And back to my original question: Will Hyundai replace my car if it burns up?

Pete

 

[phdegraff]

WHOA! TWO 40 amp slow-blows?

Which one, fellas? Which one???

 

[greekgeek]

Hopefully, they don't stop at just replacing the fuse. Lowering the amperage while having a defective component may reduce the risk of fire, but it doesn't make the root cause disappear.

This article claims they will replace the module.

Genesis G70, G80 sedans recalled over chance of fire

ABS modules in the cars may short-circuit and spark a fire while driving or parked.

www.cnet.com

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[Mikebrooks]

Good to know. Guess I won't be parking in the garage for now.

 

[EdP]

Thanks to carguy and speeder for finding relevant documents!

The young man who answered the dealer's service phone didn't seem worried about this - leading me to be all the more concerned.
He said we should be getting an email or letter but wouldn't say when and didn't have any further info.

What is involved in removing or replacing the subject fuse? Is it easily accessible or not?

But most importantly what are the (driving) consequences of removing the fuse?

What operating functions are disabled when the subject fuse is removed?

And back to my original question: Will Hyundai replace my car if it burns up?

Pete

It controls the ABS module so removing the fuse means you won't have ABS brakes at a minimum. If you were to get into an accident with them disabled, that would be on you as it is determined the car is safe to drive.

As for replacing the car, that will be up to the lawyers and insurance company but good chance they would.

 

[phdegraff]

Thank you, EdP! Loss of ABS brakes at a minimum is reason enough for me to leave the fuses in place and take my chances on a fire, even in the garage (which is separate from the house). I am very disappointed in Hyundai knowing since 2019 that this could could be a problem and *still* not fully acting on it.

 

[Suburbazine]

Pulling them out wasn't that bad. Just a few lights.


Added bonus: car is in "full race" mode. Super stiff suspension, extra stiff steering, zero torque limiting, better shift profile and the brakes work better. I might have to leave them out for a bit.

 

[carguy75]

It controls the ABS module so removing the fuse means you won't have ABS brakes at a minimum. If you were to get into an accident with them disabled, that would be on you as it is determined the car is safe to drive.

As for replacing the car, that will be up to the lawyers and insurance company but good chance they would.

True. I only remove the fuses while my car is not being driven and is sitting in my garage. I will reinstall the fuses when I drive the car even if the fuses are the bad ones.

 

[carguy75]

Thank you, EdP! Loss of ABS brakes at a minimum is reason enough for me to leave the fuses in place and take my chances on a fire, even in the garage (which is separate from the house). I am very disappointed in Hyundai knowing since 2019 that this could could be a problem and *still* not fully acting on it.

To clarify, I only remove my fuses when my car sits in the garage. I will install them when I drive the car until I get the proper fuses that I will leave in permanently.

I would never drive the car without ABS or with the fuses removed.

 

[carguy75]

This article claims they will replace the module.

Genesis G70, G80 sedans recalled over chance of fire

ABS modules in the cars may short-circuit and spark a fire while driving or parked.

www.cnet.com

I hope the recall does become upgraded to a full ABS module replacement as well as a fuse swap.

In the mean time i will just pull my 40A fuses when my car is parked in the garage.

 

[daviderle]

That is a good precaution.

I managed to catch one of my favorite service advisors in the most competent dealership around here late yesterday and he confirmed they don’t actually have any details of the fix as of yet, but will text me as soon as he has something.

I personally think 0 fires in 95k+ recalled vehicles in the US are still good odds in our favor. Although, there have been three fires, the reports seem to indicate none of them happened in the states.
There appear to have been a much larger 790k ABS recalls sometime last year with 13 fires, with no related injuries.
Again if I was a betting man these odds don’t look that bad as there is a much higher risk going out catching a circulating illness and getting impacted by it.
Having said all that, two fire extinguishers will be installed under the seat in both cars later today just as a precaution, even though, so far the dice appear to be rolling in our favor.

 

[greekgeek]

I hope the recall does become upgraded to a full ABS module replacement as well as a fuse swap.

In the mean time i will just pull my 40A fuses when my car is parked in the garage.

Yeah me too, if the root cause is corrosion in the ABS module (reported on other models) then would be great to simply have that fixed. On the other hand,, just speculating, maybe some error or warning is triggered while driving to alert one that ABS is out, while the smaller fuse prevents overload leading to fire, similar to parked condition. That could also be a reasonable fix, if not preferred.

Meanwhile I am going to park outside, now that it's spring.

 

[Speeder]

Yeah me too, if the root cause is corrosion in the ABS module (reported on other models) then would be great to simply have that fixed. On the other hand,, just speculating, maybe some error or warning is triggered while driving to alert one that ABS is out, while the smaller fuse prevents overload leading to fire, similar to parked condition. That could also be a reasonable fix, if not preferred.

Meanwhile I am going to park outside, now that it's spring.

Putting in a lower rated fuse to open sooner is in no way a 'fix'. No drain to ground (short circuit) is acceptable at any amperage. If the system design amperage requires a 40A Fuse than that's the correct fuse. If the circuitry in the suspected module is corroding it wasn't cleaned, sealed and coated properly. You can't incur a short within the module without something being damaged, especially to open a 40A fuse!