New Hyundai recall #201 (ABS)

[phdegraff]

I can't imagine that I'm the first to get the upgrade, but I'll let you know as much as I can find out tomorrow afternoon or evening.

 

[EdP]

Uh, I'm not very good with words, so bear with me.

What am I seeing here?
It seems the ABS module can catch fire if 2 things exist:
first: it has an internal short
second: it has a 40 amp fuse.

So my questions:
1: is it correct that the dealer will replace the 40 amp fuse with a 25 amp fuse?
2: does this prevent fires in the event of a short, but you are left with no ABS braking?
3: does the short that blew the 25 amp fuse ruin the ABS unit?
3: so when/if the 25 amp fuse blows, are you supposed to limp in and they will replace the ABS unit? OR: send you away with a fresh 25 amp fuse to await the next short?

I'm confused and concerned about how many miles I'm expected to drive without ABS and whatever else is affected.

You are not supposed to drive any miles without ABS.
In ideal situation it will be repaired to prevent anything from happening at all.

No, they will not keep swapping out fuses, that was just a temporary preventative thing.; The module will be inspected or replaced.
If there is a short, yes the module is ruined and will be replaced.

From what was posted here earlier it will be replaced anyway. Problem solved.

 

[jimbrown618]

I can't imagine that I'm the first to get the upgrade, but I'll let you know as much as I can find out tomorrow afternoon or evening.

I received my letter from Hyundai Canada a few weeks ago and just called the local dealer here in Halifax to inquire on the recall;

The service department knows about the recall and are in the process of ordering the parts in (new fuses for the ABS module)

They said they'd get back to me shortly to set up an appointment; I remember earlier last month that there was some discussion on this forum that the ABS module itself would also be inspected for corrosion and could be replaced as well but my recall letter only mentions the fuse replacement.

When I receive more info I'll post it....

 

[inmanlanier]

Actually, every Genesis model is a Hyundai. Genesis is just an marketing brand name for Hyundai made products. Like my 2011 Lexus RX350 is still a Toyota product or my 2006 Cadillac Escalade is still a GM product.

A co-worker and friend of mine who later on became an auto accident forensic analysis expert consultant used to work for the now defunct GM institute. They would acquire and dissect multiple parts from multiple manufacturers. He shared with me contra your statement of Toyota and Lexus that no - in fact, Lexus was the most reliable because they evolved Toyota reliable parts and modified them to make them even more reliable. You don't necessarily find the same Lexus parts in Toyotas. I can't speak to Hyundai and Genesis - but I don't know any non-Genesis sedans that have a 4.6L or 5.0L V-8 available to them.

 

[inmanlanier]

Most every auto company has a parent company. Would you buy a Tata? Maybe not, but would probably like its brands.

I actually have one of those Tata cars - currently tuned to 600 ft. lbs. of AWD torque that kicks butt on the race track . I think it's badged something like J a g u a r F type.

 

[EdP]

I actually have one of those Tata cars - currently tuned to 600 ft. lbs. of AWD torque that kicks butt on the race track . I think it's badged something like J a g u a r F type.

Sounds like it is different from the Tiago

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[inmanlanier]

just a wee bit!

 

[carguy75]

Uh, I'm not very good with words, so bear with me.

What am I seeing here?
It seems the ABS module can catch fire if 2 things exist:
first: it has an internal short
second: it has a 40 amp fuse.

So my questions:
1: is it correct that the dealer will replace the 40 amp fuse with a 25 amp fuse?
2: does this prevent fires in the event of a short, but you are left with no ABS braking?
3: does the short that blew the 25 amp fuse ruin the ABS unit?
3: so when/if the 25 amp fuse blows, are you supposed to limp in and they will replace the ABS unit? OR: send you away with a fresh 25 amp fuse to await the next short?

I'm confused and concerned about how many miles I'm expected to drive without ABS and whatever else is affected.

Best guess.

The 25A fuses will blow quickly if the ABS module fails; which prevents the engine bay fire problem. Then, the ABS unit will trigger a trouble light due to be in a non-functioning status which means that it should be replaced. A defective module will just keep blowing fuses until it is replaced.

If the car is taken to a dealership; the defective ABS module may be replaced under the recall or Hyundai could still charge owners without factory warranty coverage(over 60k miles used or 100k miles new) the cost of a new ABS module since the ABS module is considered a wear item.

The recall seems to mainly address the fire producing aspect of a faulty ABS module(fuses); if the ABS module is defective then it would be treated like any other failed part in the car.

Hyundai may give good-will discount on the repair on out-of-warranty 2015-2016 Genesis. Newer models will be covered under the power-train warranty most likely.

 

[EdP]

Best guess.

The 25A fuses will blow quickly if the ABS module fails; which prevents the engine bay fire problem. Then, the ABS unit will trigger a trouble light due to be in a non-functioning status which means that it should be replaced. A defective module will just keep blowing fuses until it is replaced.

If the car is taken to a dealership; the defective ABS module may be replaced under the recall or Hyundai could still charge owners without factory warranty coverage(over 60k miles used or 100k miles new) the cost of a new ABS module since the ABS module is considered a wear item.

The recall seems to mainly address the fire producing aspect of a faulty ABS module(fuses); if the ABS module is defective then it would be treated like any other failed part in the car.

Hyundai may give good-will discount on the repair on out-of-warranty 2015-2016 Genesis. Newer models will be covered under the power-train warranty most likely.

I would agree with you up to the time they issued a recall. Now that a recall is issued I see no reason it would not be replaced at no charge to the customer. Only exception would be non-recalled models.

 

[carguy75]

A co-worker and friend of mine who later on became an auto accident forensic analysis expert consultant used to work for the now defunct GM institute. They would acquire and dissect multiple parts from multiple manufacturers. He shared with me contra your statement of Toyota and Lexus that no - in fact, Lexus was the most reliable because they evolved Toyota reliable parts and modified them to make them even more reliable. You don't necessarily find the same Lexus parts in Toyotas. I can't speak to Hyundai and Genesis - but I don't know any non-Genesis sedans that have a 4.6L or 5.0L V-8 available to them.

LOL. The power-train parts in my Lexus is still Toyota parts. The Lexus RX350 engine uses the same engine parts as the Toyota Highlander. However, my Lexus does have upgraded interior trim, seats, etc.

My point is that most of the power-train components are still shared among models made by the parent company.

The Hyundai Tau 5.0 V8 engine is a masterpiece that is used only in Hyundai/KIA top end models like the G80/Genesis,G90/Equus, and KIA K900. So case in point, most of the Hyundai/KIA motor group RWD engine models(K900, Stinger) shared the same RWD engine with other RWD siblings(all Genesis) in the Hyundai/KIA group of cars like the 5.0 and 3.3T engines. While many of FWD models in Hyundai/KIA group share the 2.0T and 2.4 engine. The 3.3 V6 and 2.0T is used in both RWD and FWD model in the KIA/Hyundai group with a few variations.

To close, a Genesis is still a Hyundai made product.

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[carguy75]

I would agree with you up to the time they issued a recall. Now that a recall is issued I see no reason it would not be replaced at no charge to the customer. Only exception would be non-recalled models.

Maybe. However, the recall is to address the fire issue. Parts fail on cars as they age. ABS modules fail over time time on other makes, but it is not a recall issue unless the failure causes serious harm like in the Hyundai recall. Modern cars still have manual brakes even without a working ABS module like most cars in the 90's that did not even have ABS as a standard feature.

Well, time will tell what the ultimate Hyundai solution will be.

My guess is that the ABS module may get extended warranty coverage, inspection, and fuse replacement. However, it could also just be inspection, fuse replacement ,and a bill(may good-will help) for out-of-warranty owners if the ABS module fails inspection.

 

[joegr]

... Modern cars still have manual brakes even without a working ABS module like most cars in the 90's that did not even have ABS as a standard feature...

Except, that the info we have says that the ABS module shorts out and possibly starts a fire due to an internal brake fluid leak.
Brake fluid leak = reduced to eventually no braking. Such failure could indeed cause serious harm.

Note that the Hyundai four cylinder engine recall has now resulted in lifetime replacement of any of those engines if they fail in the way indicated in the recall, even if they were already replaced once or twice or more...

 

[EdP]

Maybe. However, the recall is to address the fire issue. Parts fail on cars as they age. ABS modules fail over time time on other makes, but it is not a recall issue unless the failure causes serious harm like in the Hyundai recall. Modern cars still have manual brakes even without a working ABS module like most cars in the 90's that did not even have ABS as a standard feature.

Well, time will tell what the ultimate Hyundai solution will be.

My guess is that the ABS module may get extended warranty coverage, inspection, and fuse replacement. However, it could also just be inspection, fuse replacement ,and a bill(may good-will help) for out-of-warranty owners if the ABS module fails inspection.

Yeah, I can see that on the 6 o'clock news with the consumer advocate. My car was recalled for a safety issue and they want me to pay for the repair.

Please explain how a short is caused by wear. It can be caused by leaking fluid, in can be caused by corrosion from an improperly made case. It is from a defective product. The TV lawyers would be having fun with it if you were made to pay.
Do you have cancer, bald, or are overweight from ABS brakes? You may be entitled to compensation. Call 1-800-bad-brak

 

[cuppa]

Took my 2015 Gen in for a oil and a coolant change 270,000 kms on her. When I dropped it the service advisor said that there was a recall on it and asked if I wanted the work done. I said that I had received the initial notice back a while ago, which said that I would be contacted when the Hyundai Canada would be ready to proceed with the recall work. They informed me that they could do it and I told them to go ahead. They called after a few hours and said that the work would take 9hrs so I left her overnight. They called the next day and said one part was still not it, but I needed it back that night. They booked me another appt 10 days away.

When I picked it up I was told they replaced all my brake lines under the recall. The work receipt says

00D119 Brake Tube Replacement....Installed Brake Lines as per 00D119
11D054 DH HECU recall....parts on order
71C051 2015 LFA/DH Parking Brake Switch Replacement

Today I received the new letter from Hyundai Canada saying to contact my nearest dealership to proceed with the recall work from the previous letter

So just waiting for the 11D054 DH HECU part now which will be done next week

 

[greekgeek]

Took my 2015 Gen in for a oil and a coolant change 270,000 kms on her. When I dropped it the service advisor said that there was a recall on it and asked if I wanted the work done. I said that I had received the initial notice back a while ago, which said that I would be contacted when the Hyundai Canada would be ready to proceed with the recall work. They informed me that they could do it and I told them to go ahead. They called after a few hours and said that the work would take 9hrs so I left her overnight. They called the next day and said one part was still not it, but I needed it back that night. They booked me another appt 10 days away.

When I picked it up I was told they replaced all my brake lines under the recall. The work receipt says

00D119 Brake Tube Replacement....Installed Brake Lines as per 00D119
11D054 DH HECU recall....parts on order
71C051 2015 LFA/DH Parking Brake Switch Replacement

Today I received the new letter from Hyundai Canada saying to contact my nearest dealership to proceed with the recall work from the previous letter

So just waiting for the 11D054 DH HECU part now which will be done next week

In the US this is a mandatory TSB for certain VIN range in the salt belt states. Separate from the ABS module.

 

[carguy75]

Except, that the info we have says that the ABS module shorts out and possibly starts a fire due to an internal brake fluid leak.
Brake fluid leak = reduced to eventually no braking. Such failure could indeed cause serious harm.

Note that the Hyundai four cylinder engine recall has now resulted in lifetime replacement of any of those engines if they fail in the way indicated in the recall, even if they were already replaced once or twice or more...

Good point.

Brake fluid leak=no brakes.; which is a major safety issue. So I agree, Hyundai will have to replace all the defective ABS module free of charge under the recall if a leak is the cause of the issue.

 

[carguy75]

Yeah, I can see that on the 6 o'clock news with the consumer advocate. My car was recalled for a safety issue and they want me to pay for the repair.

Please explain how a short is caused by wear. It can be caused by leaking fluid, in can be caused by corrosion from an improperly made case. It is from a defective product. The TV lawyers would be having fun with it if you were made to pay.
Do you have cancer, bald, or are overweight from ABS brakes? You may be entitled to compensation. Call 1-800-bad-brak

After more thought; I agree that a leaky ABS module should require an recall replacement free of charge to the customer regardless of remaining warranty coverage due to being a major safety issue.

Brake fluid leaks could lead to a no brake situation even with manual braking without ABS support.

 

[jimbrown618]

Got my appointment for 14 June...about 7hr job to do rear brake tube replacement, and the other is an ABS fuse repair – replacing 2 fuses

 

[rroyce46]

My 2016 3.8 AWD goes in for the ABS recall inspection on May 31. Calgary Dealer says they will order in part then as it is expensive & I will have to come back a 2nd time to have it installed.

 

[Jkon]

Called dealer today regarding my 2016 3.8 RWD and recall 201....said it will take a few weeks to get parts so June 10th is the day I take her in for a review/fix for this issue. Will have them do oil change/tire rotation during the same visit. Several days prior I will run a can of CRC intake valve cleaner into an intake hose port(as this has been shown on this forum by another owner/member...with no codes being thrown) so it has a few days to dissolve any crud on the intake valves. This will be the first time I do the CRC treatment now that the car has 20K miles. Plan on doing a spray can cleaning using this method every other oil change going forward. Hope to keep the "motor clean" ...First time using this dealer and his service dept. Hyundai dealer 3 miles from the house says they do not do service work on Genesis..even my year as a 16. They do not have a certified Genesis tech in house. So I have to drive about 15 miles away to another Hyundai dealer that has a Genesis tech. Could be worse I suppose. Will post again when all work is done