New tires

[84Jeeper]

OK, now I'm pissed!!!

I've been getting like 15k miles per set on the rear of my 5.0 with them consistently wearing on the inside. It appears this last set is more like 10k!!!

I think this is a result of the -1.5 degree of camber for the rear. I know one person said their alignment shop adjusted the rear alignment do we know if they set the camber to 0?

I can't see any reason that it could not be set to 0. About a billion other cars run around with 0 all the time. I'm not the least bit worried about it impacting my handling unless I'm missing something, I think a 275 wide tire will provide plenty of grip and I'm not flying around a racetrack!!

I know this is a heavy car but when my just as heavy crown vic can eek out 90k on a set of tires I think something is wrong. Especially when I drive them similarly... I'm not putting 420 hp to the ground on every stoplight!! In fact these are mostly highway miles.

If no one else has I think I will try setting rear camber to 0. Maybe I can get 20k (which is still laughable, but I ain't laughing).

 

[Bill in Alexandria]

If you could get your hands on an infrared camera or infrared thermometer, you could tweak the camber until the temperatures are even across the tire width. Friction equals tire wear, so that's one approach that (in theory) should work without adversely affecting driving dynamics.

Negative camber improves hard cornering performance, but reduces the contact patch of the tire when driving straight.

Since you said these are MOSTLY highway miles, your tires would appreciate a zero camber.

I'm an Aerospace Engineer, NOT an automotive engineer, so I respectfully encourage further discussion to help 84Jeeper reduce his tire wear.

 

[Bill in Alexandria]

If you could get your hands on an infrared camera or infrared thermometer, you could tweak the camber until the temperatures are even across the tire width. Friction equals tire wear, so that's one approach that (in theory) should work without adversely affecting driving dynamics.

Negative camber improves hard cornering performance, but reduces the contact patch of the tire when driving straight.

Since you said these are MOSTLY highway miles, your tires would appreciate a zero camber.

I'm an Aerospace Engineer, NOT an automotive engineer, so I respectfully encourage further discussion to help 84Jeeper reduce his tire wear.

I just found a good "Pros & Cons" of negative camber:

14 Negative Camber Pros and Cons

The camber angle for a vehicle refers specifically to the placement of its wheels. It is the angle that occurs between the vertical axis when viewed from either the front or the rear. It is

greengarageblog.org

 

[84Jeeper]

Yeah, I don't need this car to "hard corner" I have the Porsche for that. I have no problem drifting a car around a corner so I'm not afraid of driving at the limit....but, this is a big sedan that, while powerful, I drive pretty sedately.

The only thing I can think is that if you set it to 0 if/when your corner hard you could end up with slight positive camber on the outside wheel which would reduce traction as the tire would not contact the road in a parallel manner....but that is basically the traction I have going straight with braking and acceleration with a negative camber (just on the other side of the tire).

...and again with the width of these tires and the traction they provide I think that point is moot.

I am open for ideas/suggestions but I really think it is worth a shot.

 

[carguy75]

Yeah, I don't need this car to "hard corner" I have the Porsche for that. I have no problem drifting a car around a corner so I'm not afraid of driving at the limit....but, this is a big sedan that, while powerful, I drive pretty sedately.

The only thing I can think is that if you set it to 0 if/when your corner hard you could end up with slight positive camber on the outside wheel which would reduce traction as the tire would not contact the road in a parallel manner....but that is basically the traction I have going straight with braking and acceleration with a negative camber (just on the other side of the tire).

...and again with the width of these tires and the traction they provide I think that point is moot.

I am open for ideas/suggestions but I really think it is worth a shot.

Only one way to find out. Just do it and see what happens.

Anything else is just going to be hypothetical responses to what "may" occur if the camber is changed to 0 or not in regards to tire life.

 

[Bill in Alexandria]

Yeah, I don't need this car to "hard corner" I have the Porsche for that. I have no problem drifting a car around a corner so I'm not afraid of driving at the limit....but, this is a big sedan that, while powerful, I drive pretty sedately.

The only thing I can think is that if you set it to 0 if/when your corner hard you could end up with slight positive camber on the outside wheel which would reduce traction as the tire would not contact the road in a parallel manner....but that is basically the traction I have going straight with braking and acceleration with a negative camber (just on the other side of the tire).

...and again with the width of these tires and the traction they provide I think that point is moot.

I am open for ideas/suggestions but I really think it is worth a shot.

Agreed sir. I drive my Z3 like a sports car, and my G80 like a luxury sedan. I have no idea what the limits on my G80 are because I've never even come close to pushing those limits. It would be interesting to hear what a mechanic has to say about zeroing out the camber, but it sure beats buying new tires every 10-15k miles.

By the way, I had my heart set on the Continental DWS06's for my next tires, but stumbled on the Michelin Cross-Climate 2's. Check 'em out. They're smokin' the competition in the A/S world - quiet, and perform well on dry, wet and snow covered surfaces. What's not to like?

 

[84Jeeper]

I will take a look...sort of depends if my tire store has them as these should fall under the warranty for treadlife....going to call now to start that process.

 

[Markymark]

OK, now I'm pissed!!!

I've been getting like 15k miles per set on the rear of my 5.0 with them consistently wearing on the inside. It appears this last set is more like 10k!!!

I think this is a result of the -1.5 degree of camber for the rear. I know one person said their alignment shop adjusted the rear alignment do we know if they set the camber to 0?

I can't see any reason that it could not be set to 0. About a billion other cars run around with 0 all the time. I'm not the least bit worried about it impacting my handling unless I'm missing something, I think a 275 wide tire will provide plenty of grip and I'm not flying around a racetrack!!

I know this is a heavy car but when my just as heavy crown vic can eek out 90k on a set of tires I think something is wrong. Especially when I drive them similarly... I'm not putting 420 hp to the ground on every stoplight!! In fact these are mostly highway miles.

If no one else has I think I will try setting rear camber to 0. Maybe I can get 20k (which is still laughable, but I ain't laughing).

I don't know what my camber etc setup is, but I've gotten 20K out of my rear tires on my 2015 5.0 so far. My fronts have been documented earlier in this thread. I'm hoping to get another 10K out of them.

I also had a crown vic and I got amazing life out of my tires. I sometimes regret selling it for the Genesis.

 

[84Jeeper]

Yeah I currently have a Grand Marquis and a 96 Cadillac Fleetwood as well. Guaranteed that if my Genesis didn't essentially self drive with OpenPilot I would sell it. After riding in the other cars it is simply smaller inside and rides harsher. On the positive side it is about 10% more efficient and has twice the power (which I rarely use).

Looks like I'm off to the tire store to get measurements and start the warranty......and check on getting the camber set to 0.

Don't get me wrong it's a nice car and the smoothest ride of new luxury cars except for the G90. But new cars just don't aim for the same ride quality as the older ones, they are more into handling which is OK if you are driving around a track....I am not.

 

[glennk]

I rotate my Pilot Sports every 5,000 miles from side-to-side and perform an alignment ever 10,000 miles. I have a lifetime coverage with Firestone shop near me that is very good.

I have to keep reminding people that the All-Season tires do have a tire wear warranty. PLEASE, file warranty reimbursement complaints. It is the best way to subsidize your next set of tires.

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[84Jeeper]

Well, looks like the tire shop is not opposed to setting the alignment out of factory specs. So the test begins......

...and they didn't act like it was the first time they had this request or done this.

 

[glennk]

Well, looks like the tire shop is not opposed to setting the alignment out of factory specs. So the test begins......

...and they didn't act like it was the first time they had this request or done this.

Maybe a specialty (racing) shop may be the better choice. With the camber and toe adjustment capability of the 2015+ Genesis/G80, Hyundai made it possible to make a lot of changes.

 

[optimagenesis]

Yokohama Avid Accent GT all season , very good wet and dry, good in road noise , very good overall tires,

 

[Markymark]

Has anyone taken their 5.0 Genny to Firestone for new tires and if so, what model did you get and are you pleased with them?

I had a couple of nails in my rear tires, took them to Firestone and they fixed the flats. They also told me I needed new rear tires and quoted me under $600 for two new rears.

Does anyone know about the quality of tires sold by Firestone? I thought new rear tires for the 5.0 Genesis were at least $300 each and they were quoting $220 each.

 

[Drbull]

I have the above mentioned Yokohama tires on mine and should easily get 60,000 miles on them.
I am at 40,000 miles, with a little less then 1/2 tread left!

 

[Alfer]

I got a set of 4 of the Nexen 5000's for my 2015 AWD and have been happy with their performance. Total cost was around $600 OTD

Nexen N5000 Plus Review | TireBuyer.com

The Nexen N5000 Plus delivers entry-level performance with all-season capabilities at an affordable price. Here’s the scoop.

www.tirebuyer.com

 

[glennk]

Firestone tires designed to a price point. If you have to get tires there, buy Bridgestone.

 

[Crimson]

Had to replace the fronts yesterday. Had Yokohoma Advan Sport last year all around, but when the rears wore out prematurely, they suggested Nitto Motivo. Have been running mismatched, waiting on the Front Yokos to wear out, and they did yesterday. As luck would have it, needing fronts immediately, Nittos were a week out (supply chain issues), had to take what they got, which was Goodyear Eagle Exhilarate. Looks like a great tire, but less mileage warranty (45k vs 60k) than the Nittos. To my surprise, when I went to rotate the Nittos on the rear, they look pretty good (about 1/2 worn and even). This after a dealer alignment prior to purchase last summer. I guess I'll be putting Goodyear on the back as well to finally be matched in about 10-15k. Goodyear Eagle Exhilarate

 

[glennk]

The Goodyears are pretty good according to test reviews and comments on TireRack. They also have better snow traction than my Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3's.
Staggered tires really help during acceleration, but suck for everything else.

 

[Andyj]

The Goodyears are pretty good according to test reviews and comments on TireRack. They also have better snow traction than my Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3's.
Staggered tires really help during acceleration, but suck for everything else.

I just got 4 Goodyear Eagle Exhilarate tires for the 2015 Genesis sedan to replace Pirelli P1 Cinturatos which lasted 29000 miles but the sidewalls cracked and tread was down to wear bars. So far so good great traction and track well.