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I will be giving up my Accord Sedan V6 w/nav in December. I am considering either another Accord, an Acura, or the Genesis sedan(with the same equipment).

I live in New Jersey and we have a lot of snow and ice in the winter, which is about the only thing about the Genesis that I am unsure of. I have been driving either an Accord or Acura since the 90's and they both have front wheel drive. Can anyone tell me how the Genesis, with rear wheel drive, does in the winter on ice and snow?

To date, I have NEVER seen one on the road in either NJ, NY, or PA. I find it peculiar that, to date, the only one I've ever seen on the road was in FL. I know it's a great car and did lots of reading about it when it won all the major awards, but doesn't anyone in in the tri-state area have one??
 
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There are a lot of Genesis owners on this forum from MN and Canada, but I believe most (or all) of them use snow tires in the winter. Are you looking for a car to drive on the same set of tires all year around?
 
I live in MA so we get about the same kind of weather. I bought a dedicated set of snow tires (Falken Euro Winter) and wheels/rims. I came from front wheel drive as well (95 olds Aurora and a '01 Aurora) but my mother has always had rear wheel drive so I knew how they drove. It is a different feeling for sure but you just have to adjust to it. Most BMW and Mercedes are rear wheel drive so you can understand how many of them are on the road.

Go take a test drive and see if you like it. You get waaay more car for the money versus Honda and Acura.
 
I live in the suburbs of Phila and just got past close to the worst winter on record 95" of snow and I had no problem with the just the dunlops!
 
Thanks for your replies. Yes, so far I've been able to use one set of tires all year (and replace when the tread begins to wear). I found it so much more convenient than having to go in to switch tires twice a year.

I also used to drive rear wheel (a long time ago) but thought I remembered that the reason I switched was that supposedly front wheel was preferable in the winter. While my drive is only about 22 miles to work, it is all on windy, back roads that can be tricky in the winter. That's why I was concerned about winter handling.

I am going to have to take a test drive, that I know. The problem is that it will be in the summer and I'm not due to switch until January or so.

Does anyone have any ideas on what the differences will be in the 2011 sedan from the 2010? It looks like a beautiful car and I'm looking forward to getting behind the wheel and giving it a spin.

Thanks for all your help. If anyone else has any input, I'd love to hear.
 
Thanks for your replies. Yes, so far I've been able to use one set of tires all year (and replace when the tread begins to wear). I found it so much more convenient than having to go in to switch tires twice a year.
Yes, I understand that with FWD you can use the same all-season tires all year round. the question is whether it is a requirement in your new car that you do the same? If so, you might want to stick with FWD, especially if you don't have the option to work from home whenever the weather is questionable. If you do get the Genesis, the V6 may handle a little better than the V8 in bad weather because the V8 has about 200 extra lbs on the front end compared to V6.
 
I live in Milwaukee Wi, and came off a 4 Wheel Drive Suv, and other previous FWD cars.................I did need snows on the rear of my Genesis. They make a world of difference!!! Don't leave home with out them.....
 
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If you do get the Genesis, the V6 may handle a little better than the V8 in bad weather because the V8 has about 200 extra lbs on the front end compared to V6.

An extra 200 lb over the front wheels ≠ less weight over the reas though. Not sure why this would matter?

At any rate, if I had a rwd car in the north I'd have some snow tires on steel rims I could quickly put on the car. You do not want a rwd with no traction in the winter, imo.
 
One other question I'm wondering about...how does the car actually do on gas mileage? I know what it says on the manufacturer's window sticker, but this often is not what the average driver gets. My drive to work is done on 30-40 mph , windy back roads (with the ever present police waiting with radar). It will, of course, get to stretch its legs on the highway at times, but the ride back and forth to work is probably the majority of my driving at the moment.:rolleyes:
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One other question I'm wondering about...how does the car actually do on gas mileage? I know what it says on the manufacturer's window sticker, but this often is not what the average driver gets. My drive to work is done on 30-40 mph , windy back roads (with the ever present police waiting with radar). It will, of course, get to stretch its legs on the highway at times, but the ride back and forth to work is probably the majority of my driving at the moment.:rolleyes:

This thread may help out more with your question:)

http://www.genesisowners.com/hyundai-genesis-forum/showthread.php?t=2707&highlight=MPG+expected
 
I will be giving up my Accord Sedan V6 w/nav in December. I am considering either another Accord, an Acura, or the Genesis sedan(with the same equipment).

I live in New Jersey and we have a lot of snow and ice in the winter, which is about the only thing about the Genesis that I am unsure of. I have been driving either an Accord or Acura since the 90's and they both have front wheel drive. Can anyone tell me how the Genesis, with rear wheel drive, does in the winter on ice and snow?

To date, I have NEVER seen one on the road in either NJ, NY, or PA. I find it peculiar that, to date, the only one I've ever seen on the road was in FL. I know it's a great car and did lots of reading about it when it won all the major awards, but doesn't anyone in in the tri-state area have one??

Front wheel drives typically have 70-75% of their weight over their drive and steering wheels. This helps them to go better in snow and slippery conditions. They are naturally more inclined to understeer, when over driven. When you put these together it is harder to get a front wheel drive into a dangerous oversteer/spin condition than it is a rear wheel drive and that makes it safer for people with less driving expertise.

On top of that, higher performance cars generally come with tires that are less suited for winter driving. The Genesis is no exception. It's stock Dunlops are not good, or even OK, snow tires.

On a positive note, you have traction control, electronic stability control and anti-lock brakes. These all help the car to go where you pointed it, when traction conditions are not ideal.

Having said that, front wheel drives, four wheel drives and rear wheel drives all have the same thing in common when it comes to stopping. They all only have the same 4 wheels on the ground. A colleague used to say, about 4 wheel drive, "Twice the giddy-up, no more woe."

The point is that, while you might have gotten away with all season tires, in a front wheel drive car, you were just as compromised in it, for stopping in bad winter conditions, as you would be with any car...4 wheel drive or rear wheel drive.

TireRack's test of winter vs. all seasons.
http://www.tirerack.com/videos/index.jsp?video=26&tab=winter

I learned this lesson the hard way (though it could have been worse) when my son put our front wheel drive Volvo (with all the electronic traction control goodies) into a concrete barrier in the winter. He was driving to fast for the tires and the car couldn't negotiate a sweeping turn.

Since then, I was educated on the difference between all seasons and true winter tires and switched to putting winter tires on, during the months of December through March. The difference is dramatic. We had to drive my son back to college in a snow storm and on that trip I counted over 20 cars off the road, many of them 4wd SUV's. However, our car, with it's Blizzak winter tires tracked straight and true.

The bottom line is though you may be able to get away with one set of tires with a front wheel drive car, and you are going to be less likely to get in trouble with it than a rear wheel drive, tire type is far more important that which wheels are pulling or pushing the car.

If you absolutely can't put up with swapping tires, then you need to get all seasons that do the best in winter conditions. The ones that have performed the best, in TireRack tests, were the Continental, ExtremeContact DWS.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/testDisplay.jsp?ttid=124
 
An extra 200 lb over the front wheels ≠ less weight over the reas though. Not sure why this would matter?

At any rate, if I had a rwd car in the north I'd have some snow tires on steel rims I could quickly put on the car. You do not want a rwd with no traction in the winter, imo.
The more weight you have over the drive wheels, the better for traction in bad weather. That is why FWD with its 60/40 weight ratio (front/rear) is better for snow that RWD which is usually closer to 50/50. The Genesis V6 has more "relative" weight in the rear compared to the Genesis V8 due heavier engine and transmission of the V8.

There is nothing inherently bad about RWD for snow other than the weight ratios for FWD are typically better for the drive wheels. One of the best cars for traction on snow was the original VW Beetle with RWD, but with engine in the rear right over the drive wheels (lots of weight on the drive wheels).

Obviously, I agree with your second comment.
 
One other question I'm wondering about...how does the car actually do on gas mileage? I know what it says on the manufacturer's window sticker, but this often is not what the average driver gets. My drive to work is done on 30-40 mph , windy back roads (with the ever present police waiting with radar). It will, of course, get to stretch its legs on the highway at times, but the ride back and forth to work is probably the majority of my driving at the moment.:rolleyes:
The Genesis actually gets better gas mileage than EPA ratings on the highway if you are driving at about 65-70 MPH (I assume the EPA tests at 55 MPH). Even 75-80 MPH is about the same as EPA highway mileage. This is because of the very tall overdrive gears in both the Aisin and ZF 6-speed auto transmissions.

However, driving at 30-40 MPH is not likely to be so good for gas mileage with the Genesis. Even the Genesis V6 is overpowered for that kind of driving, IMO.
 
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