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Newbie question -- 3.8 Engine Sound on Moderate Acceleration

JimInNashville...did you get any update from the Hyundai dealer.

I am getting the same noise...I think its from the engine. I took my Genesis V6 to the local dealer and he told me that iust from the exhaust!!

I have noticed the noise is really loud and annoying when the engine is cold.
 
JimInNashville...did you get any update from the Hyundai dealer.

I am getting the same noise...I think its from the engine. I took my Genesis V6 to the local dealer and he told me that iust from the exhaust!!

I have noticed the noise is really loud and annoying when the engine is cold.

No update yet, kras. It is just as you say. Loud, harsh, and annoying, especially when the car is cold. Not really luxurious or powerful sounding.
Just harsh and the least impressive thing about the car. I am starting to wonder if something has been assembled wrong in the exhaust system.
 
No, but the noise I am referring to is not a whine, but a harsh, vibrating warble-burble-rumble.
 
Did anyone ever get any more information on this? I'm hearing what I think is the same thing on my 2011 V6. It's most pronounced under light acceleration around 2K RPM, but only under load. If I rev the engine in neutral it doesn't occur.

Is there an audio capture anywhere of the sound it makes.
 
Did anyone ever get any more information on this? I'm hearing what I think is the same thing on my 2011 V6. It's most pronounced under light acceleration around 2K RPM, but only under load. If I rev the engine in neutral it doesn't occur.

Is there an audio capture anywhere of the sound it makes.


I have not been able to get any more information. I start out every morning on a quiet country road, and the noise, which occurs only under load, starts around 2000RPM.

You know, frankly, I am amazed that in this day and age, Hyundai does not have a representative monitoring this forum and checking out these issues.

Whatever this noise is, it is definitely not typical of a "luxury car." It sounds more like some noises I heard from a Plymouth 426 back in 1965. If it were more muted it would be tolerable as an "agressive" sound. But under slight loading at 2K, especially when the car is cold, it sounds harsh and tinny, almost like something is loose and banging around, except the noise is clearly in rhythm with the valve train.

My guess is that this is some peculiarity of the valve train or fuel injectors.

But shouldn't Hyundai know something or be able to say something? My dealer hadn't a clue. They let me drive another brand new 2010, and I heard a very similar, but slightly less harsh sound, so it may be typical of the car.

But, in my opinion, it should not be typical, and I wonder.

I am going to try to make a digital recording of the sound and contact Hyundai about it.
 
I think it is either FLUBBER or Chitty Chitty Bang Bang technology- hey it works!
 
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I saw the following post on Edmunds:

"On normal acceleration at about 1800 rpm there is an engine noise. The dealer service mgr and factory rep have heard this noise and say it is a piston slap due to phenolic piston skirts. I wrote the company and they agree but say it does not effect the engine. Maybe not but it effects my hearing as I have to turn up radio not to hear it. I am sorry I traded in my M35 for this car."

This is apparently the answer. OOOOHHHHKAYYYYY. Why don't the dealers seem to know this?
 
I have now posted an extensive video of a test drive, on YouTube, at the following URL.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2n7-BEnrVBQ"]YouTube - Genesis 3.8 Sound.flv[/ame]

You can hear the sound fairly well at several points. I have noticed in some other online YouTube videos that not all Genesis 3.8 sedans make this sound.
In particular, one recording inside the vehicle shows 0-180km acceleration, with a noticeably smoother sound than what I hear in my car.

Please watch my video, ESPECIALLY 3:00-4:00 and 8:00-8:20

Thanks,

Jim
 
Excellent video. I have exactly the same noise at similar RPM's. Don't know how else to address this.....already made four trips to the dealers and also talking to HMA Consumer Affairs for weeks now. They just don't care. I am never buying a Hyundai again and all my family and friends won't be be either.
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Sounds very familiar, Jim. I don't know exactly what the origin is, but one technically proficient responder said, "Genesis 3.8 has solid lifters and valve timing chains, variable intake and exhaust timing. During acceleration, the ECU, thru solenoid valves and oil pressure, commands both camshafts (exhaust and Intake) to retard or advance to achieve peak engine performance and fuel efficiency.

"To me, it sounded like it is retarding the spark timing to prevent detonation along with the automatic camshaft adjustments of both intake and exhaust valves. Don't miss the fact that Genesis 3.8 may have the biggest intake throat (almost 3 inches across) that I have seen for this size engine, contributing to the "throaty sound" we are hearing."

I take that to mean that the engineers and designers would say, "We really meant to do that."

Ron:confused::(:o
 
Excellent video. I have exactly the same noise at similar RPM's. Don't know how else to address this.....already made four trips to the dealers and also talking to HMA Consumer Affairs for weeks now. They just don't care. I am never buying a Hyundai again and all my family and friends won't be be either.

kras, thank you so much for responding. Nice to know I am not the only frustrated person.

My experience so far:

1. I've driven the car just over 5,000 miles in 10 months of ownership. Performance has been sensational. I have the absolute base 3.8, and the missing weight (no sunroof, etc.) has the car hitting 0-60 times of about 5.9
seconds, and I am getting a completely documented 22+ mpg in a mix of city and highway driving. After 10 months, the interior and exterior both still look absolutely new. Great paint job. One does have to laboriously clean the "Genesis" insignia on the floor pads, LOL. The insignia is positioned perfectly to pick up dirt and mar the appearance of the interior.

2. As a very experienced car owner, who used to do tuneups and brake jobs and carburetor rebuilds back in the 1970's, but who wouldn't dare touch a modern vehicle, I've learned one major lesson, and it is this: Anytime you hear an unusual noise, find out precisely what it is immediately. Otherwise, you may just find yourself by the side of the road (or worse). For example, I had a 1992 Maxima SE, brand new. Great car. One morning, pulling away from the house, I heard the tiniest little whine from the gearbox. I drove over to the dealer. The service manager went for a drive, and couldn't hear a thing.
He tried to dismiss me, but I insisted that a mechanic go with me. The mechanic heard the whine. "Darn, you have a good ear" he said. We made an appointment to check it out. I drove home, but by the time I got back to the dealership about 10 miles later, that tranny was screaming like a banshee.
Cracked bearing in the transmission, 6 days in the shop. The mechanic told me that they had never seen that problem ever before, and that it "sure was lucky I came in right away." Precisely.

3. I first heard the noise in my Genesis 3.8 a few days after I started driving the car. After a week or two, I went back to the dealer who sold me the car. The service manager went out with me and heard the noise. Then we test drove another new 3.8. It made a similar noise, but not quite as loud and not quite as metallic. But basically the same noise, just somewhat more muted.

I asked the service manager what it might be, and he suggested that it had to do with the valve train and timing advance mechanisms protecting against detonation at the shift point under light load. From what little I know about cars, the explanation that suggested itself is that, under mild load, with the shift points designed to keep the car in the 1500-2000 RPM range, there is a detonation danger when the RPMs drop, and what I am hearing is an adjustment of the engine management systems all working in concert.

Great. But it doesn't really sound right, or good, or luxurious. Sorry, Hyundai, but that is the truth.

The sound in my vehicle got a bit louder the last few weeks, so I took it to a second Hyundai dealer. The first reaction of the service manager when I described the problem was annoyance with me. He switched into an accusatory mode.
"Have you changed the oil?" he demanded. "Yes, at 3000 miles," I said.

"Where" he said, apparently ready to jump on me if I did it "wrong."

"At the Hyundai dealer where I got the car."

"Oh."

Anyway, he scheduled me in, drove my car, but refused to have a mechanic go for a drive with me "for insurance reasons." (Geez, the salesmen don't have any problem going out with customers --- am I really supposed to believe that?)
Overall, he was charming and positive, I must say. But not terribly informative (see below).

He returned, took another new Genny out for a test drive, put the car on the rack, had people checking exhause, etc. Found one "slightly loose caliper cover" but otherwise nothing. Moreover, he said, the other Genny made "essentially the same sound." But he had no idea what the sound was or what caused it!! Even more interesting, he didn't really seem to care. No promise to "call Hyundai and get an answer" for me. Apparently, we owners are considered too dumb to understand these things, and either Hyundai service managers have a stunning lack of intellectual curiosity, or Hyundai Automotive has no mechanism for disseminating information. Either way, this hardly inspires confidence.

Ironically, after all this, NOBODY from Hyundai has been able to give me a clear technical explanation of precisely what the noise is! Now, you would think that if a particular not-very-luxurious-sounding noise is emanating from the engine of the 2009 car of the year on a regular basis, SOMEONE in the Hyundai organization should be able to give a clear, succinct explanation of what the sound is!!

What is even more annoying is that NOT ONE MAGAZINE REVIEWER of this vehicle has ever mentioned what, to any car enthusiast, is a very salient feature of the vehicle. My 2003 Honda Accord 6 never made anything like this sound. By comparison, it sounded like a turbine, silky smooth and whisper quiet under moderate load. So what gives?

How can reviewers continually describe the Genesis 3.8 as whisper quiet, when you hear this noticeable clatter every time you near a shift point under light load?

Irregular, detonation-like noises from an engine are never to be ignored. It is easy to say "relax, you are under warranty," but it is not just an issue of being "under warranty," it is an issue of understanding, at all times, precisely what the 3875 pounds of steel under your behind is doing.

It is also an issue of resale value. When I go to trade this car in, if I choose a private sale, this noise may cost me thousands of dollars!

Hyundai makes fabuluous advertising brochures. Now they need to invest in an intelligent information system and customer interface. I am willing to bet that at least 100 Genesis 3.8 owners have called Hyundai about this noise.
Why is it not in their database, and why have they no answer at the ready? This is not rocket science -- it is an area where Hyundai needs to improve as they take their place near the top of the auto industry.
 
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Ron,
Thanks very much for the response. I tend to agree with your explanation, and I am prepared to accept that this sound (with variations from car to car) is "normal for this vehicle."

This doesn't excuse the facts that

a. Reviewers from major car magazines continually refer to the whisper quiet Genesis 3.8, and it most certainly is not whisper quiet under light load.

b. Dealers and service managers have no coherent explanation for the sound, merely concluding that "they all do that". Sorry, but if you are selling a luxury vehicle, you should be able to explain every nuance of the car's performance. I can tell you that if I sold Genny's for a living, I'd know exactly what that noise is.

I can live with the noise. I keep telling myself "It's the sound of performance."
But it just doesn't sound like a luxury car, and Hyundai engineers have to know that.


Sounds very familiar, Jim. I don't know exactly what the origin is, but one technically proficient responder said, "Genesis 3.8 has solid lifters and valve timing chains, variable intake and exhaust timing. During acceleration, the ECU, thru solenoid valves and oil pressure, commands both camshafts (exhaust and Intake) to retard or advance to achieve peak engine performance and fuel efficiency.

"To me, it sounded like it is retarding the spark timing to prevent detonation along with the automatic camshaft adjustments of both intake and exhaust valves. Don't miss the fact that Genesis 3.8 may have the biggest intake throat (almost 3 inches across) that I have seen for this size engine, contributing to the "throaty sound" we are hearing."

I take that to mean that the engineers and designers would say, "We really meant to do that."

Ron:confused::(:o
 
Hi guys, very new to Forum, just joined an hour ago. Bought a 2011 Genesis Coupe Track model for the wife on Saturday. Didn't expect a quiet car but after hearing noises as described here, I noticed that there is no hood insulation liner installed on the Coupes. Don't know if the sedans are the same, but I found that strange and talked to dealer about installing an Insulating blanket. From what the service dept. said there is no such thing.

Engines make noises of all kinds, and I should know I own a GM with an LS1 engine in it with hood insulation and all, and it is still noisy. Maybe Hyundai should just use some noise deadening and quiet down the engine compartment.

Maybe an aftermarket Idea?
 
You could Dynomat the interior of the car - pull up the carpet and door trim - it will quiet the interior, but it will cost you a few hundred.
 
One day I remove engine cover for cleaning,and notice that harsh sound at 2k now is quieter , I thought that engine cover Is in blame,so I buyed sound insulation material and prepare to soundproof engine cover. But when I take a closer look I notice a strange detail that attached to cover with like 16 screws, so I removed it. Inside it was like 2 seppareted,different sized chambers with one hole in each, the thing had a name and it was resonator ) I think that is was made to acoustic porpuses, to amplify engine sound, so i sealed this holes with medical cotton, and tape it. And you know what? Harsh sound is allmost gone now. And I sound proofed engine cover,just in case) but it has no effect. So try it yourself, remove engine cover and you will see that detail on the right side of it. Maybe I just fooled myself )
 
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One day I remove engine cover for cleaning,and notice that harsh sound at 2k now is quieter , I thought that engine cover Is in blame,so I buyed sound insulation material and prepare to soundproof engine cover. But when I take a closer look I notice a strange detail that attached to cover with like 16 screws, so I removed it. Inside it was like 2 seppareted,different sized chambers with one hole in each, the thing had a name and it was resonator ) I think that is was made to acoustic porpuses, to amplify engine sound, so i sealed this holes with medical cotton, and tape it. And you know what? Harsh sound is allmost gone now. And I sound proofed engine cover,just in case) but it has no effect. So try it yourself, remove engine cover and you will see that detail on the right side of it. Maybe I just fooled myself )

That is extremely interesting. I'm going to take a look. Can't find anything about that on the internet!
 
I recently got my 2012 Genesis and noticed the sound after about 1200 mi. It reminds me of spark knock back in the day, when vacuum advance existed - or when low octane gas was burned in a high compression V8.

My Genesis is in the shop now, for the 2nd time - the mechanics could not hear the sound the 1st time. So, I took the Service Mgr for a ride and he heard it, although his engine "specialist" could not. I'm not holding out much hope, but will post what I hear this time around.
 
I have now posted an extensive video of a test drive, on YouTube, at the following URL.

YouTube - Genesis 3.8 Sound.flv

You can hear the sound fairly well at several points. I have noticed in some other online YouTube videos that not all Genesis 3.8 sedans make this sound.
In particular, one recording inside the vehicle shows 0-180km acceleration, with a noticeably smoother sound than what I hear in my car.

Please watch my video, ESPECIALLY 3:00-4:00 and 8:00-8:20

Thanks,

Jim

i really like that sound in the video. seriously.
maybe it doesn't sound as good in person, but based purely on the video, i hear a pleasant aggressive sound, like a V8 muscle car.
i sometimes wish my V8 sounded like that, as i can barely hear my engine.
 
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