First Generation OFFICIAL TUNE FOR 1st Gen 5.0's

[mtriples]

Hey Roc, and yeah NOS is a bit too gay for me. Sounds fun and all, maybe will consider it.. Just the fact, you have to refill your can of nitous every so often, idk.. Rather just get something more real like a supercharger, you know? I am in contact with Bisimoto, and I bought factory cams as they requested, and they are gonna get me custom cams!! So Roc E Road, I will assure you without NOS, I will be getting close if not 100whp gain. I'm thinking 40 from the custom cams, and 20 from the tune. 10 for CAI, 10 for my port and polish, 10 for 2ndary cat deletes and maybe 6rwhp for my exhaust cutots??. So minimum is 86rwhp in my head want more, but don't wan to get my hopes up.



Dude. Keep me posted on the cams. I haven't said much before, but I'll admit at this point that I've discussed a little with both Winberg and Bryant about shipping a remanufactured shortblock to them for engineering a stroker crank. Hyundai themselves have said that the Tau is capable of supporting a 5.5L displacement, but they stuck with an even 5.0 to balance out fuel economy.

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Canadian 5.0 HTRAC owner checking in. Keep me in the loop.

I'll post when I have more info. They need snapshots of both sides of my ecu to confirm, so it sounds like they jumped the gun in telling me that the DH 5.0 is supported.

 

[84FordMan]

And now there is some competition. BTR has released a video showcasing a tuned BH 5.0, on top of that they also have promised TCU tuning and able to provide the same for the DH platform.

The TCU part comes as no surprise as almost a year ago a blue BK2 Genesis Coupe at their NC tuning event tested their TCU tune (Which at that time was improved shift tables and timing, as well as disabling auto upshift while in manual mode) and the BK2 uses the 8-speed from the same family as the facelifted BH and DH.

Exciting time to own a 5.0, gentleman.

https://www.facebook.com/bloodtyperacing/videos/1345623275524342/

 

[Roc 5.0]

This dovetails in what David of LAP3 told me. ECU doesnot control speed or RPM limiters, but the TCU does. His mods do not touch the TCU only the ECU. Both Mods together may end up with a real contender. One can dream.

 

[Dreamsy]

And now there is some competition. BTR has released a video showcasing a tuned BH 5.0, on top of that they also have promised TCU tuning and able to provide the same for the DH platform.

The TCU part comes as no surprise as almost a year ago a blue BK2 Genesis Coupe at their NC tuning event tested their TCU tune (Which at that time was improved shift tables and timing, as well as disabling auto upshift while in manual mode) and the BK2 uses the 8-speed from the same family as the facelifted BH and DH.

Exciting time to own a 5.0, gentleman.

https://www.facebook.com/bloodtyperacing/videos/1345623275524342/

Amen on that brother! And I am not familiar with TCU tuning, I just know there is a BIG lag of a full second or more when stepping on the pedal! And what Roc is saying, is it possible to have both? I am getting tuned by LAP3, but could I get TCU tuned by BTR as well?

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Hey Roc, and yeah NOS is a bit too gay for me. Sounds fun and all, maybe will consider it.. Just the fact, you have to refill your can of nitous every so often, idk.. Rather just get something more real like a supercharger, you know? I am in contact with Bisimoto, and I bought factory cams as they requested, and they are gonna get me custom cams!! So Roc E Road, I will assure you without NOS, I will be getting close if not 100whp gain. I'm thinking 40 from the custom cams, and 20 from the tune. 10 for CAI, 10 for my port and polish, 10 for 2ndary cat deletes and maybe 6rwhp for my exhaust cutots??. So minimum is 86rwhp in my head want more, but don't wan to get my hopes up.



Dude. Keep me posted on the cams. I haven't said much before, but I'll admit at this point that I've discussed a little with both Winberg and Bryant about shipping a remanufactured shortblock to them for engineering a stroker crank. Hyundai themselves have said that the Tau is capable of supporting a 5.5L displacement, but they stuck with an even 5.0 to balance out fuel economy.

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I'll post when I have more info. They need snapshots of both sides of my ecu to confirm, so it sounds like they jumped the gun in telling me that the DH 5.0 is supported.

And will do bro. Just taking a long time to received the factory cams!! Got delayed twice somehow!! Should be coming real soon, then I should be in contact with Bisimoto how to go about it.

 

[Youseethefight]

And now there is some competition. BTR has released a video showcasing a tuned BH 5.0, on top of that they also have promised TCU tuning and able to provide the same for the DH platform.

The TCU part comes as no surprise as almost a year ago a blue BK2 Genesis Coupe at their NC tuning event tested their TCU tune (Which at that time was improved shift tables and timing, as well as disabling auto upshift while in manual mode) and the BK2 uses the 8-speed from the same family as the facelifted BH and DH.

Exciting time to own a 5.0, gentleman.

https://www.facebook.com/bloodtyperacing/videos/1345623275524342/

damn if this is really gonna be available it would make the genesis amazing. ecu/tcu and some coils would make this like a bargain m5

 

[Roc 5.0]

Concerning your lag time after hitting the petal. If you haven't, try removing at least one of the magnetics holding the air box flap closed. Until 4000+ rpm the only air taken in is through the small ram air passage above the radiator. Engine gets initially starved for lack of air; also turn off esc because program won't allow engine to get more than 60% throttle until about 30 mph if foot held all the way hard to the floor, also traction control comes on and off as tires break traction making it feel as if the engine/transmission is stumbling.

 

[Paul]

Anyway my hood starts to shake @ 148mph. Scary. Not doing that again with whomever I run. Anyone else have noticed the shake?

I've noticed that shake north of 130, It starts as a slight shudder at about 120~125 and progressively gets worse. Venting the hood would probably get rid of the issue at the expense of cutting holes in the hood to install such vents.

 

[Dreamsy]

Okay so my cams came in today for anyone who is curious. So I got into contact with Bisimoto and WOWWWWW they are wanting to charge me $2250 to make them performance cams!! They said with a partial sponsorship it would be $1983, and these prices are without installing so I would have to pay another $800 or so for that. I was thinking in the $1200 or so range to make them performance cams, but nope.. For the price Bisimoto is requesting I feel I could go supercharged and gain close to 100whp, as compared to a 40whp gain for cams for the same price. So anyone have thoughts on this?? I have factory cams sitting now, and don't know anyone else who can grind these into performance cams.

 

[Roc 5.0]

I know you have reservations but, I personally would first try NOS 100 shot for about $500+ installed. No one knows it's there and car runs normally until pres of the button. You can adjust load as well. Most rod shops know how to install correctly. Always can remove. Reliability proven over the years. Supercharging w/intracooler is good, probably $5K+ if you can find one that has been sorted for the 5.0. I have a fully sorted supercharged 14.5psi /intercooled Miata w/250rwhp on the dyno. Again I have a list of things that needed to be done before getting it out on the street. Works fine but no sleeper with the supercharger whine. However blows away M3s, etc. So lots of fun. Once, if you go cams, there are all sorts of tune you must do to make everything work to take advantage of the cams, and is anyone able to do that with the 5.0? Believe you would be a test car $$$ mule for quite a while. Grinding cams for a specific engine is a science and seems as if only the Koreans know enough of the 5.0 to possibly do it?

 

[Dreamsy]

Hey Roc, just read your message, and I don't think I would be a test car really, cause if I do go with Bisimoto they know exactly what they're doing because they have done it before. LAP3 said they could tune to the cams, anddddddd supercharger. 100 Shot of a big amount to start off with probably would try 50 first, but I will consider it. I just idk, its such a cheap mod, having to press a button, but then again my friend says they have nos that activates on its own whenever hit a certain RPM range, if that is the case definitely will consider it. Just man, sucks Bisimoto is charging such high value.. I know they know what they're doing, and they're the only ones who I know have done it.. I guess I will have to settle and pay them their $1983 and then another $800 to install it probably.. Just crazy on the fact man, I feel like I could come close to supercharging with that money, I know I could buy the blower for sure at least for that, I'd rather have the blower sitting in my house than the gay factory cams.

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[Roc 5.0]

I guess my last comments. Not against what you are trying to do. Does Bisimoto have a modified streetable 5.0 Sedan available with what you want? So that you can see for yourself how it runs on the road, not just dyno results or for SEMA shows. Or just saying they were able to do it? Doing a 3.8 won't cut it in my opinion. Don't be first is always good advice. Check out a running daily driver car to see if you can live with it. If you are only going to use it to run, then what I wrote doesn't matter. NOS: Yes you can have what every you want with NOS. So many ways to work its operation and hp delivery. Take time and call some rod shops. Ca. is big in this. 5.0 Mustangs heavy users.
Anyway, keep us all informed of your progress.

 

[Dreamsy]

Thank you for that Roc. I was just looking into how long 10lbs of Nitrous would last, and it is a bit sad I have to admit, I was really considering it since, such the easy power is there. I was under the impression would last a good month. I come to find out it last like 10 races or so lol. I know I would use it often I feel, because that's what gives the car a fun feeling!! Idk shucks.. It is tempting, but what is not tempting is how fast it runs out.. For your question, no I have not seen a streetable 5.0 with performance cams, I would just ask them to grind the cams to at least stage 2 cams. Stage 3 or higher, the car might stall even, but yeah I do understand what I am getting into, and probably be the first for public to do it. I am not sure why Bisimoto is so gay tho... They won't even install them, even if I paid them!! So gonna have to save like $1200 to afford there prices, if I want to get my cams done by them, idk I hit up CompCam about it, waiting on their reply, hopefully can help me with a reasonable price!

 

[Aquineas]

Aright guys, I am loving this thread. But for the benefit of the uninformed out there, you know the kind of people I'm talking about (i.e., me).. Does TCU stand for "transmission control unit?"

 

[Roc 5.0]

Yep. Controls shift points, max rpms/speed limiters. Most car compaines try to protect the logic and codes imbeded in these units & ECUs to prevent tampering, etc. With the 100K power train warranty on Hyundais, can see why they make it extremely hard to break in, decipher and recode.

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The 10 races are 1/4 mile(1320') track races. Also depends on hp shot. 75 shot =more runs than 150 shot. Some guys have 2 tanks just in case. Most street runs are less than 500 ft (nomially 2-5 city blocks). If you are ahead, idea is to blow cometition off, then quit before gets too high mph an all the potential problems that that incures...If you look at results of 1/8 mile tracks, regular cars are going over 80+mph at the end of that run. I admit the alure of having a turbo or supercharged engine has great bragging rights, but winning is winning and NOS is just another way of getting more power out of your engine, thought in a stealth manner..
I am surprised that Bisimoto won't install. Seems like onus/risk is all on you to get it right. Who's at fault if problems? LAP3 said will install their ECU in my car. I'm hoping that they will follow through and call me when they get the new ECU.

 

[Dreamsy]

Hey Roc, yeah who are you talking to at LAP3? David right? It really, really sucks. So it was supposed to be like March 25-26th when I'd be getting tuned, but they moved the date to July 2nd. Freaking one of my brother's wedding days, I have to be in Oregon on July 2nd-3rd I really don't know what to do. I'm utterly effed I feel.. I tried messaging if they could move it up at least to 4th of July (nobody really I see around here celebrates that until night time anyway) unless family BBQ of course. It just sucks man, I am glad that it was postponed to see if I can get the cams for sure tuned to, and maybe even supercharger if have enough money. Sigh freaking July 2nd, can't believe they did that date.

 

[Roc 5.0]

David is the only one I talked to. He said they are planning to do an ECU install at a dyno facility in Fairfax, Va. within the next few months and will contact me when they get set up. I volunteered my car without strings as a test rig for the ECU and dyno runs, first dyno with out it then after installed and tuned. This would be good since same dyno /same day/same car comparison in real world. Hope he is able to keep his promise.

 

[NSXNEXT]

Found this trolling the interweb

http://washington.carpediem.cd/events/2652961-lap3-2017-east-coast-tuning-event-at-virginia/

 

[mtriples]

Okay so my cams came in today for anyone who is curious. So I got into contact with Bisimoto and WOWWWWW they are wanting to charge me $2250 to make them performance cams!! They said with a partial sponsorship it would be $1983, and these prices are without installing so I would have to pay another $800 or so for that. I was thinking in the $1200 or so range to make them performance cams, but nope.. For the price Bisimoto is requesting I feel I could go supercharged and gain close to 100whp, as compared to a 40whp gain for cams for the same price. So anyone have thoughts on this?? I have factory cams sitting now, and don't know anyone else who can grind these into performance cams.

For that price, I'd suggest looking at billet cams over regrinds. I know GSC does billets, I'll see if I have time to call them today.

 

[Dreamsy]

Thank you for that mtriples I do appreciate that. And I was speaking to LAP3 and saying yet again, we can do TCU tuning but there will have to be a high demand. I really wish I could get like 30 or 40 people messaging him about this other than me.. Our 5.0's would kick butt with transmission tuning, I know for a fact, it would make the transmission snappy instead of slothy. Quicker shifting, and delete that lag when gunning your car, man just makes me dream. I went on a cruise with about 100 other cars a few Fridays ago, and think it was about a 50 roll or so, and almost had the 6th Gen Camaro 2SS beat, but he pulls ahead in his Manual, being able to be shifting all quick. Man I just thought to myself if I could just delete that whole second lag and fix the throttle response. I paid like $300 and something awhile back for a pedal commander, but nope did not change a thing, I mean it make's the car "feel more fun" doesn't delete the lag like I thought it would. The only thing that has helped is the throttle body ported, and intake manifold done. It helps a little, but I feel like it just feels like when you throw on a CAI, if anything 10-15whp max. I am looking into some serious power now.. I am holding off on paying Bisimoto anything, and investing the setup into 2 Garrett turbos (undecided which ones to get) a member on the forum names John Toca I believe had done something like this done to his 2nd Gen Sedan. (Yeah I would love, love, love a supercharger), but at this point I think turbos are going to be easier, even though they are usually a pain in the butt I hear to put them on a NA vehicle. I want to have this done in about or month or so, when LAP3 get here, they could tune to it. If all goes good, I would love to post my dyno results on here.

 

[mtriples]

So...just an update, Greg at GSC says one-off billet cams would probably cost as much as the car itself haha. Not surprised they won't go for it, considering how small the 5.0 market actually is. I've reached out to Crower now, I'll keep you posted. Might hit up Bryant if Crower doesn't pan out.

Maybe a little TB work and porting on the head would help, I haven't dug into them personally, but it would take some convincing that an intake would matter on the 2nd gen. The dual filter and pipe system is fairly impressive as is.