Oil changes at Monroe Muffler and Midas

[mikefromohio]

I want to get everyone's opinion if it was safe to have the oil changed on my 2013 Genesis at the above mentioned shops. I think the oil change part would be fine, but my concern is that they would use a non Hyundai oil filter. Do you think the use of the non oem filter could damage the engine?

 

[landtuna]

I use a trusted private shop to work on my Genny. Those franchise outfits usually depend on questionable employees.

 

[kn5owa]

One well known oil change shop would change your oil. The problem is they used old oil from previous cars.

But, they did change it!

 

[Aquineas]

One well known oil change shop would change your oil. The problem is they used old oil from previous cars.

But, they did change it!

Oh man that's brutal.

 

[Mark_888]

Independent mechanics are OK, but large chains like Midas, Monroe, Jiffy Lube, etc should be avoided at all costs.

If you do use an independent shop. I would buy an OEM filter and bring it to the shop, and they will probably give you a $1 off on the change price (which shows how much the filters they use are worth). But I would be worried if they install the filter and O-rings correctly.

I do my own oil changes.

 

[Mark_888]

Oh man that's brutal.

I personally don't know of any shops that use oil drained from other cars, but some do use recycled oil (reprocessed at a refinery), which is probably more common than people realize.

I change my own oil with Mobil 1 Extended Protection 5W-30. My used oil after 5000 miles is probably better than the average fresh conventional oil put in most cars.

 

[videopho]

My local Hyundai charges $24 for the filter and labor.
I bring my own Mobil1 5-20w which I buy either at Costco or Walmart..

 

[homeofstone]

Never use a jiffy lube type of shop. And only use OEM or Mahle filters. There are many threads on this subject.

 

[rickkapur]

Suggest staying away from these chain stores, as most have less experienced mechanics with shorter tenure and a revolving door. Also, they are always on look out to increase billings, and cut costs to get profitability bonus/spiffy. Hyundai dealer service for basic oil change is pretty reasonable IMHO. Or, a local well established mechanic who has a solid track record...ask on Nextdoor. Best

 

[Aquineas]

In the extreme unlikely event that you own a 2012 Genesis, one thing to keep in mind if you bought a 2012 Genesis is Hyundai offered a guaranteed trade-in price for that car to guard against depreciation. If you bought a 2012, in your paperwork you received a coupon with your VIN on it which has a guaranteed trade-in schedule for your car (based on trade-in year and mileage). I used it for my 2015. Stipulations apply of course (mileage, you have to have), and one of those stipulations is that you need to have your car serviced at a Hyundai dealership.

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[Mark_888]

In the extreme unlikely event that you own a 2012 Genesis, one thing to keep in mind if you bought a 2012 Genesis, is Hyundai offered a guaranteed trade-in price for that car to guard against depreciation. If you bought a 2012, in your paperwork you received a coupon with your VIN on it which has a guaranteed trade-in schedule for your car (based on trade-in year and mileage). I used it for my 2015. Stipulations apply of course (mileage, you have to have), and one of those stipulations is that you need to have your car serviced at a Hyundai dealership.

Did that plan require that the car be financed through Hyundai Finance?

 

[Aquineas]

Did that plan require that the car be financed through Hyundai Finance?

Yes, which I know wouldn't have worked for you because you paid cash (nice problem to have .

 

[Mark_888]

Yes, which I know wouldn't have worked for you because you paid cash (nice problem to have .

That's why I am still driving my 2009, with only 54,000 miles on it.

 

[Aquineas]

Also a nice problem to have; I typically put 30K a year on my cars.

 

[mikefromohio]

Thanks for all of your comments and my oil changes will continue to be at he Hyundai dealer.

 

[landtuna]

In the extreme unlikely event that you own a 2012 Genesis, one thing to keep in mind if you bought a 2012 Genesis is Hyundai offered a guaranteed trade-in price for that car to guard against depreciation. If you bought a 2012, in your paperwork you received a coupon with your VIN on it which has a guaranteed trade-in schedule for your car (based on trade-in year and mileage). I used it for my 2015. Stipulations apply of course (mileage, you have to have), and one of those stipulations is that you need to have your car serviced at a Hyundai dealership.

That guaranteed trade-in is a laugher. Unless you pile on the miles it doesn't come close to the true value of your car. I bought mine in December of 2012 and just cracked 14,000 miles so it would do me no good what ever. I plan on keeping the car at least ten years so depreciation means nothing to me. And the new Genny's don't bring anything new to the table that I would want. I realize I am in a minority.

I don't believe the manufacturer can enforce that service at the dealership as a condition though. I seem to remember several years ago as long as you met their documentation requirements showing the required service it could be done at any shop. Restricting service options would violate the restraint of trade laws. That said, I don't take my Genny, or any car, to a franchised shop - only to a private shop that I've been going to for years. I use only OEM filters and Mobil 5W-40 ('cause it's hot here in the desert).

 

[Aquineas]

That guaranteed trade-in is a laugher. Unless you pile on the miles it doesn't come close to the true value of your car. I bought mine in December of 2012 and just cracked 14,000 miles so it would do me no good what ever. I plan on keeping the car at least ten years so depreciation means nothing to me. And the new Genny's don't bring anything new to the table that I would want. I realize I am in a minority.<snip>

All that's well and good, but really I was providing information related to oil changing at the dealership and a specific instance where it might benefit. If it applies to you, then that's wonderful. If not, then I don't think anyone will be upset either. FWIW the trade-in guarantee saved me a couple of grand, so your mileage may very (pun intended)

 

[Mark_888]

I don't believe the manufacturer can enforce that service at the dealership as a condition though. I seem to remember several years ago as long as you met their documentation requirements showing the required service it could be done at any shop. Restricting service options would violate the restraint of trade laws. That said, I don't take my Genny, or any car, to a franchised shop - only to a private shop that I've been going to for years. I use only OEM filters and Mobil 5W-40 ('cause it's hot here in the desert).

You are correct that the manufacturer cannot demand that service be performed by a Hyundai dealer or with Hyundai parts in order to maintain the manufacturer's warranty. Obviously non-Hyundai parts must have comparable specs and the service must be performed correctly to maintain the warranty.

But when offering any other deal, such as the guaranteed trade-in value, I believe that they can legally require that Hyundai dealers provide the service. As I explained above, they can also demand that the car be financed through Hyundai Finance (not your bank, or not cash). Obviously, leased card don't apply to this offer.

I know of one dealer who offers a "free" extended warranty if they do all the service on the car. For example, Rick Case dealers (which includes Hyundai, Kia, VW, Audi, Acura, Mazda, Fiat, Honda dealerships) will double the manufacturer drivetrain warranty if they do all the service according to their schedule. This also falls outside the laws regulating service required to maintain the manufacture's warrantees.

 

[niteflite]

i'm curious - what kind of trade-in value did they provide? let's say hypothetically you purchased at an invoice price of $33k, what is the trade-in at 3/36k, 5/60k, etc?

 

[Aquineas]

i'm curious - what kind of trade-in value did they provide? let's say hypothetically you purchased at an invoice price of $33k, what is the trade-in at 3/36k, 5/60k, etc?

Honestly I turned the certificate in and don't remember, but it was in the neighborhood of 2K for my car and mileage.