Possible discussion regarding the 2015 RSPEC

[Big_tugg]

I read this msg a few days ago... however was pondering it on the ride into work today.

Hopefully Hyundai knows that a plain Jane 5.0 and Rspec badge doesn't make the car.
we all know there is no real world difference in performance of the rspec vs the non rspec
5.0. This is Hyundai's shot... again to compete with the CTS-V. They have a V8... who would have thought in one of their cars.

I'd pay another $15k for 550-600 HP Slap FI on that biatch and call it a day.

Mmmm...

$58,000 Hyundai Genesis Rspec 5.0 FI 580HP AWD. 0-60 4.0 sec with seats that hold you like a fat chick after sex.

ppp

Hyundai won't ever be able to play with CTS-V...that's a war not worth entering. As you see AMG is struggling, Audi lost...it's caddy vs M5

 

[Fast55]

AMG is struggling??? While I do like the price/performance value of a CTS-V, I can see that you haven't driven too many AMG's.

 

[ksoze]

All this possible performance model version is exciting, but Hyundai is no where near an AMG or M division.

A true performance model is more that an HP increase and for Hyundai to attempt to directly compete with those two companies is a stretch right now. The bar is very high when trying to outperform those cars (not just in 0-60 times) and Cadillac has also invested heavily for years in a performance division. The good news is that those motorsports enhancements have become more cosmetic for those companies which can allow Hyundai to better match them in the future.

 

[Mark63021]

we all know there is no real world difference in performance of the rspec vs the non rspec 5.0.
ppp

I thought the current R-Specs have better brakes and a more performance-based shift algorithm than standard 5.0s And of course the suspension is much tighter.

 

[Mark_888]

I thought the current R-Specs have better brakes and a more performance-based shift algorithm than standard 5.0s And of course the suspension is much tighter.

I believe that you are correct, although they stopped making the standard 5.0 version, so only R-Spec is available for 2013 and 2014. Even for 2012, the standard 5.0's are pretty rare.

 

[DRS]

Brakes, springs, anti-roll bars are reported many times by others to be the same. The 19" wheels and gum shoe tires are R-Spec only.

 

[Big_tugg]

I have been inside a AMG but never owned one... CTS-V beat E63 AMG performance with a 30k + savings...so I got the V. Its looking the new V will b low 600hp w/ LT4 variant...thinking about a future purchase.

 

[larry'sown]

Hyundai won't ever be able to play with CTS-V...that's a war not worth entering. As you see AMG is struggling, Audi lost...it's caddy vs M5

Yeah, because the CTS-V was always a world class sport sedan, right? You have to start somewhere and now is as good a time as any for Hyundai to release a trye R-Spec. Also AMG struggling? Audi lost? To whom??

 

[Fast55]

I have been inside a AMG but never owned one... CTS-V beat E63 AMG performance with a 30k + savings...so I got the V. Its looking the new V will b low 600hp w/ LT4 variant...thinking about a future purchase.

I have never lost to a CTS-V even when my car was stock. Granted, the E55 was 100K+ and it isn't quite the equal of the V around a track, but the car is 8 years old after all. The new E63 is AWD, does 0-60 in 3.5 seconds or less, pulls almost 1 g on the skid pad, and is well into the 11's. Oh, and that's the station wagon.

 

[Philth]

I always get a kick out the title of this thread when I see it pop up...

Apparently this discussion turned from possible to happening?

Carry on.

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[Fast55]

I think it's a given that we will see another R-Spec, the question being whether or not it will be AWD.

Personally, I'd rather it wasn't and I'm still stumped as to why AMG would only offer AWD versions of their new cars here, while Europe will get 2WD versions as well. I don't want the added weight or cost. I don't live where it's needed, and if I did, I'd drive the Jeep in bad weather.

 

[ksoze]

I think it's a given that we will see another R-Spec, the question being whether or not it will be AWD.

Personally, I'd rather it wasn't and I'm still stumped as to why AMG would only offer AWD versions of their new cars here, while Europe will get 2WD versions as well. I don't want the added weight or cost. I don't live where it's needed, and if I did, I'd drive the Jeep in bad weather.

The added weight as a performance deterrent is usually nil, as the additional launch traction of four tires and slalom benefit easily makes up for the basically small weight addition. The cost is a factor, but in cars of that price, it is not exactly a deal killer.

 

[Mark_888]

Personally, I'd rather it wasn't and I'm still stumped as to why AMG would only offer AWD versions of their new cars here, while Europe will get 2WD versions as well.

Maybe because AWD gets lower gas mileage and the price of gas in Germany is about $7.50 per gallon.

 

[Big_tugg]

Yeah, because the CTS-V was always a world class sport sedan, right? You have to start somewhere and now is as good a time as any for Hyundai to release a trye R-Spec. Also AMG struggling? Audi lost? To whom??

Their performance model compared to other companies...BMW and Caddy keep raising the bar

I have never lost to a CTS-V even when my car was stock. Granted, the E55 was 100K+ and it isn't quite the equal of the V around a track, but the car is 8 years old after all. The new E63 is AWD, does 0-60 in 3.5 seconds or less, pulls almost 1 g on the skid pad, and is well into the 11's. Oh, and that's the station wagon.

Your talking the V1 or V2? Don't get me wrong MB/AMG have beautiful cars AND the new one is !!

 

[Fast55]

The original V isn't any faster than a R-Spec. low 13's. The second gen. is fast, but still only mid 12's. The W211 E55 was actually faster than the first E63's in the 1/4. The 469HP 516lb/ft. rating was WAY understated, some turning high 11's bone stock.

As far as AWD goes, there is a weight penalty no matter what it is, and there is definitely a cost. There are no AWD Vipers or Corvettes and until the FF, no Ferraris either. That's not to say I don't like AWD cars, I just don't need one and given the choice, I'd rather have a RWD R-Spec than an AWD version. The car will not have enough power to need AWD.

As Mark points out, there will certainly be a mileage penalty as well, and who doesn't like the occasional full zoot hooligan burn out once in a while???

 

[larry'sown]

I can't say that I'm too broken up about the 5.0 not offering AWD. I've lived in the snowbelt all my life. Hell, I just drove from DE to Chicago and hit snow in IN. I still had no trouble driving my RWD car with no traction and stability control. The absence of AWD on the 5.0 doesnt deter me one bit. The bottom line is, it doesnt matter how many driven wheels you have or what kind of tires are on your car, if you dont know how to drive, you are going to get yourself into some serious trouble.

 

[italiabrain]

Anyone heard anything recently? It seems the rumor mill died off in late January. I haven't seen anything since. I would love to be surprised with a forced-induction Tau announcement!

 

[Mark_888]

Anyone heard anything recently? It seems the rumor mill died off in late January. I haven't seen anything since. I would love to be surprised with a forced-induction Tau announcement!

There is a rumor of a 3.3 TT that was posted by someone on this forum not too long ago. That actually makes some sense to me, because the 2015 5.0 is just too front heavy to be a sports sedan.

 

[dareaction]

There is a rumor of a 3.3 TT that was posted by someone on this forum not too long ago. That actually makes some sense to me, because the 2015 5.0 is just too front heavy to be a sports sedan.

Considering what it would potentially be up against this engine would need to at least match the power of the current 5.0 V8 with torque in the 400+ range to help make up for the hundreds of extra pounds. I know it's rather easy for an engine of this size to make that kind of power especially since the CTS V-Sport uses a Twin turbo 3.6 V6 with 420 hp and 430 lb-ft. Add that the CTS V-Sport is slightly less than 4000 lbs compared to 4500 for the Genesis, and scoots 60 in 4.4 sec as quoted by Motortrend. For the Genesis to compare with what ever engine and overcome the weight problem it would need at least 480 hp and I'm not sure Hyundai is serious about putting out forced induction V6s with that kind of power.

 

[Mark_888]

Considering what it would potentially be up against this engine would need to at least match the power of the current 5.0 V8 with torque in the 400+ range to help make up for the hundreds of extra pounds. I know it's rather easy for an engine of this size to make that kind of power especially since the CTS V-Sport uses a Twin turbo 3.6 V6 with 420 hp and 430 lb-ft. Add that the CTS V-Sport is slightly less than 4000 lbs compared to 4500 for the Genesis, and scoots 60 in 4.4 sec as quoted by Motortrend. For the Genesis to compare with what ever engine and overcome the weight problem it would need at least 480 hp and I'm not sure Hyundai is serious about putting out forced induction V6s with that kind of power.

The 2015 Genesis 5.0 V8 is 4,541 lbs, but the 2015 3.8 V6 is only 4,138 lbs. So a 3.3 TT might not need quite that much HP.