Possible discussion regarding the 2015 RSPEC

[ksoze]

Here as well...

http://reviewcarsnew.com/2015-hyundai-genesis-release-date/2015-hyundai-genesis-r-spec

That may the worse written or worse translated review of a car ever.

 

[Big_tugg]

For a RSPEC, I would like to see a 3.8TT AWD setup. They proved their blocks can handle 1000hp. I don't see how a 5.0 AWD could be a RSPEC, especially if there is already a 5.0 RWD on the market and 5.0 AWD it is offered in different markets as a non RSPEC trim. They aren’t ready to do a 5.0 FI induction to the Genesis; the Trans would have to go or be remodeled, change the diff, she needs to lose 500+ lbs. Plus with 5.0 nearing 60k you would think a RSPEC would add 10k+ish to price tag, so what class/competitors will it be in? I wouldn’t want Hyundai to enter CTS-V/M5/E63 AMG (soon to be Q50) class…these cars will all be over 600hp and looking like making the transition to AWD like the AMG. They aren’t ready for that; it would just be an embarrassment!

 

[Alwaysforward]

Just got this response from Derek Joyce at Hyundai Public Relations regarding the Performance version of the 2015 Genesis.

"nothing new I can tell you until I have something official on this."

Still holding out hope

 

[YEH]

Hyundai manufactures all of their own parts by the way they own a steel company also go figure

While Hyundai does get most of its parts from its parts and service arm, Hyundai Mobis (a separate company like Aisin, which also sells to other automakers), Hyundai still gets parts supplied by Japanese, American and European suppliers (and I'm sure Chinese as well for the Chinese market).

And for major components like transmissions, Hyundai until recently was sourcing one from Aisin and ZF for its luxury sedans.

There was one report which stated that while Hyundai switched from ZF to the in-house developed 8 spd AT, that ZF was doing the manufacturing.

Have not seen that confirmed by other sources so not sure about the veracity, and have doubts about that since that would kinda defeat the purpose of doing an in-house design (unless ZF helped in the design, which is possible).

Agreed on the A8L, but that speaks to the point. Spending the money to engineer an all-new all-steel frame while the industry is moving toward aluminum and reduced weight across the board is a bad decision for the Genesis (and probably a good one short-term for Hyundai corporate -- IMO those can and should be parsed).

Not necessarily so.

No matter how good the Genesis is, it's main draw is it's price advantage and by heavily utilizing aluminum (much less carbon fiber), the Genesis would lose that (esp. if the Japanese competition hasn't done so).

There are some who are already shocked by the price hike of the 2G (esp. for the 5.0) and it would have been even worse if they had done so.

The 3G Genesis will likely make greater use of weight-reducing material and any resulting price increase would be less of a shock due to the current price hike.

Still would be another 2-3 years before we see a new 5 Series, E Class and Q70 and the life cycle of the Genesis is shorter than the norm; and let's not forget, the Genesis is the largest in the midsize segment.

As for turbo weight: I don't have examples of actual weights for complete engine bay contents, but I think you put too much emphasis on displacement. The general "beefiness" required for FI adds a good bit from what I understand in addition to the turbos, piping, and changes to the lubrication system to incorporate them.

Maybe so, but there is a reason why the Germans sticking to V8s, but going w/ smaller displacement and FI and why Hyundai decided to do FI w/ the 3.3L V6 and not the 3.8L.

I don't think the MCE engine update itself is a good idea. It leaves customers constantly choosing between the modern interior/exterior and the modern drivetrain. Sure I could upgrade to a '14 and get a 4.8 second 0-60, and get the heated steering wheel and rear seat that I want with RWD, but I'd really prefer to buy the "whole package", as the interior on the 1G is lacking imo. Waiting until the car has been out for 3 years for an engine update doesn't look any better to me either. (If we're talking about a 10hp tune that's different)

Again, it's not uncommon (when Ford launched the outgoing Mustang, it had carry-over powertrains) and it's not like the 3.8 GDI and 5.0 are really outdated - they were updated for the '12MY (now the 4.6 V8 in the LS and the 3.5 V6 in the GS are outdated).

Anyhow, the most likely reason why Hyundai didn't pop in a new powerplant for the 2G Genesis is that it just isn't ready yet (being the 3.3TT).

If it isn't ready, it isn't ready and Hyundai should really make sure that the 3.3TT is reliable from the get-go as TT engines have been the downfall for many automakers in the reliability ratings, including Hyundai (the reliability rating for the Sonata used to be among the best when it had the V6, but plummeted when the V6 was replaced by the 2.0T).

And there are a good no. of buyers out there who stay away from FI engines b/c of that very reason and would gladly trade in greater HP/torque for reliability/peace of mind.

Which is why I think Hyundai should keep the 3.8 GDI (or maybe even the next gen 3.3 GDI) in its lineup as the base engine - doubt that they will keep the 5.0 for the next gen model if they do smaller displacement FI V8 - so there is 1 NA gas engine.

3G Genesis

3.3/3.8 GDI
3.3TT
diesel
4.0/4.2TT Tau

Can't see Hyundai doing more than 4 engine choices.

What does the simple fact that they plan on cutting the take rate in half without doing so by significantly improving the V6 say to you? That's not any kind of positive in my book.

Well, the take rate % for the V8 was going to be cut significantly anyway just based on increased Genesis sales (Hyundai is targeting 30k/yr) even if Hyundai continued to sell just as many V8s as they did last year.

Add to that the fact that the 2G 3.8 now has AWD while the 5.0 does not (at least for now) - so likely increased sales of the 3.8 in the snow belt while 5.0s sales drop.

Also, the heftier price increase and lower fuel economy on the 5.0 doesn't help, but I think Hyundai is being conservative on their estimate and that the take rate for the V8 will be closer to 20% (since there are those buyers who want nothing but power/smoothness of a V8 and want all the bells and whistles), and maybe 20% if Hyundai launches an AWD 5.0 down the road.

 

[kdjlaw]

Mmmm...

$58,000 Hyundai Genesis Rspec 5.0 FI 580HP AWD. 0-60 4.0 sec with seats that hold you like a fat chick after sex.

ppp

I'm thinking of trading my 2012 Rspec for a 2014 Rspec because, one: I've put 50K miles on the car and, two: I can buy a 2014 so cheaply it won't depreciate nearly as fast as new cars normally do. Then I'll wait until lHyundai does exactly what Potty Pants suggests: A car in the class with Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG, BMW M5, Jaguar XF R and Cadillac CTS V. For about $30K less. (OK, $20K less than the Cadillac.)

I hope it works out. If not, I'll look around and see about buying one of the cars listed above. I'll just have to buy one with 15-20K miles on it.

BTW, how does a fat chick hold you after sex?