Problems with windshield and wipers

[larrycohen28]

I respectfully disagree, at least partially. While there's always value in RTFM, and while there's definitely change in society toward instant gratification, the reason a community like this works is because people are free to ask stupid questions without people jumping all over them for not RTFM or asking a FAQ. The quickest way to kill a community is to have a few people constantly shoot down, criticize, or belittle people who take the big step from being a lurker (and there are hundreds, if not thousands of people, who visit here without ever registering or posting).

As for the specific example, I believe with the Genesis plus technology option the manuals total more than 500 pages, many of which represent options not present on most vehicles and many of which are filled with safety warnings. Perhaps if you were operating a nuclear power plant, being intimately familiar with every page and warning would be appropriate, but an automobile is basically just that.

I consider myself fairly well-schooled on this car. Yet there are things that I've learned from this site, either by asking or by reading others' questions and answers, that are in the manual, in some Hyundai bulletin, or have been asked before and could have been searched for.

The thing about searching the electronic versions manuals is that they are not readily available to the public, and unless you knew where they are, knew that the answer was in there, and knew how to search using the PDF reader software, it's probably not reasonable to expect that you would either do that or known that you should have done that before posting.

Finally, another part of the community is that folks tend to want to help each other and share information. The more passionate people are about something, the more they want to evangelize it. I think it's a good thing that someone feels comfortable (or lazy, perhaps) asking an RTFM question and someone feels good about replying with the answer.

Even when it is RTFM, there are ways to convey that without being so overt. "Hey, the answer is <this>, which can be found on page <x> in <y>, which is also available <here> if you'd like a searchable copy."

Sorry also about the diatribe.

Right on Dataguy! Having formerly been a high school teacher, I can attest to the fact that not everyone learns the same way. Some people can read the owner's manual once and memorize everything that it says. Others like me are very grateful for this forum because I don't absorb information like that and I need to have people to share ideas, problems and solutions with. The engineer in me thinks that if someone on this forum has spent time and effort finding the solution to a problem in the owners manual, it would be inefficient for another member to spend that time and effort when he/she could simply ask a question here. I personally am happy to share any info I have been able to absorb that someone else has not.

Ok, enough on that since we are way off topic here.

 

[larrycohen28]

dataguy,

Point well argued, and I concur.

I aggree that there are no stupid questions (well, except for the one about grade of oil) and that much can be learned on forums like this by just asking. I certainly do not discourage folks from asking questions. I do hope however that folks will have a thick skin when it is pointed out that 30 seconds in your users manual can answer a LOT of questions.

This forum is a fantastic place to expound upon those questions and to learn all kinds of neat stuff that isn't in the basic owner's manual from folks will a spectrum of experience levels and backgrounds.

I had to chuckle the day I read the following at http://genesisowners.com/subscribe.html - "GenesisOwners.com is here to help improve your Genesis coupe or sedan ownership experience by lowering your maintenance expenses and allowing you to spend less time under the hood of your car and more time with your family and loved-ones." I find that frequently I'm running out to the garage after reading a post and popping the hood to see what they were talking about.

I would not assume anyone here has a thick skin, a thin skin, or no skin. I would simply try to be respectful and realize that others will not react the same way I do simply because they are not me.

 

[SterlingDave]

Thumbing through a hard copy of a poorly written and organized manual can be pain in the butt. I downloaded the Genesis Owner’s Manual PDF at www.hmaservice.com, a website which is often mentioned on this forum. Using the search function of Adobe Acrobat Reader I found the procedure change the wipers in about 20 seconds. Using my hard copy version of the owner's manual would not have taken much longer. The table of contents tells me that "Maintenance" can be found in chapter 7 (wiper blade replacement would logically be a maintenance issue, yes?). The first page of chapter 7 tells me that "Wiper Blades" can be found at page 7-25. The actual replacement procedure is on page 7-26, albeit it is poorly written for Genny owners with keyless ignitions.

Five more minutes on the TSB tab of www.hmaservice.com soon revealed TSB #09-BE-010 “WIPER BLADE REPLACEMENT” which significantly clarifies the owner’s manual procedure for keyless ignition vehicles.

Was larrycohen28’s question stupid? No, but he easily could have checked the maintenance section of his owner’s manual first. If he’d then come back with “Does anyone know how to do the wiper procedure on page 7-26 of the owner’s manual for a keyless ignition? I can't figure it out.” I’d be telling MADDMOE to back off too. Instead I say “My hat’s off to you MADDMOE for setting some standards.”

My apologies for the long diatribe.

I think it would be good for all to note that one can access or download copies of their manuals, reference guides, and spec sheets right from this forum. See the first thread: "2009 Hyundai Genesis Documentation."

Even tho' I make fun of myself for not reading the manuals since it is not the "manly" thing to do, in actuality I do. Not everyone has the time nor inclination to do so.....and I have NEVER seen so much paper documentation for one car. AND although there is much documentation I do not think that it is particularly easy to read.....there are WAY too many warnings and caveats. In addition, the index is sadly lacking, IMHO. Try and find "visor"....uh, not there, but then look under sunvisor......

I still maintain that the main purpose for this forum is for the transfer of knowledge about our favorite car, the Genesis. Let's not start telling folks RTFM!

 

[ctrcbob]

Even though I have a big mouth, I'm staying out of this one!!! <grin>

 

[gipp]

My problem with the wipers is that they make a loud clicking noise at the top of every upstroke. It sounds like they are hitting the windshield moulding. My local dealer has used the "normal operation" line. Anyone lese gettting the "clicking"?

 

[mcginnpm]

No clicking in mine, but I do get chatter. I'm gonna try Bob's recommendation NOT to put Rain-X on all the glass (which I do) and see if that clears it up.

Can you tell where the clicking noise is coming from? Can you hear it outside the car as well as inside? Are you seeing any contact with moulding or anything else? My old Volvo S70 had a mounting bracket that loosened up. When the drive arm hit the end of the stroke and reversed directions, the force would cause the bracket to "jump" resulting in a click or a clunk. I tightened up the hardware and the noise went away. Might be something as simple as that.

As for thick skin, my appologies to all. 20 years in the Marine Corps tends to result in a "thick skin bias". I still recommend R'ingTFM. This forum is a great place to comment on the insufficiency of the manuals (yes it has WAY TOO MUCH safety stuff - you can thank lawyers for that), and maybe, just maybe, someone at Hyundai will take it onboard and fix it (I'm not holding my breath though).

PS - Bob. Come on! Sailors and Marines in bars make a great fightin' team. <double grin>

 

[ctrcbob]

No clicking in mine, but I do get chatter. I'm gonna try Bob's recommendation NOT to put Rain-X on all the glass (which I do) and see if that clears it up.

Can you tell where the clicking noise is coming from? Can you hear it outside the car as well as inside? Are you seeing any contact with moulding or anything else? My old Volvo S70 had a mounting bracket that loosened up. When the drive arm hit the end of the stroke and reversed directions, the force would cause the bracket to "jump" resulting in a click or a clunk. I tightened up the hardware and the noise went away. Might be something as simple as that.

As for thick skin, my appologies to all. 20 years in the Marine Corps tends to result in a "thick skin bias". I still recommend R'ingTFM. This forum is a great place to comment on the insufficiency of the manuals (yes it has WAY TOO MUCH safety stuff - you can thank lawyers for that), and maybe, just maybe, someone at Hyundai will take it onboard and fix it (I'm not holding my breath though).

PS - Bob. Come on! Sailors and Marines in bars make a great fightin' team. <double grin>

Its going to take a long time for that Rain-X to wear off. You might try washing the windshield with a good soap, to scrub that Rain-X off.
Like I said, I only use the Rain-X on the edge of where the wiper swipes the windshield. Its in that area, where the crud seems for form. It cleans that crud right off. Also clean the wiper blades with it, but I stopped using it on the windshield (although nice to see the water beads glide off at speed) because after a while, the blades chatter. I hate chattering blades.

We always had Marines serving with us. They belonged to some kind of Communications Company, and we all were part of the Naval Security Group.
We worked side by side, at communications positions, so we were too friendly to fight. We had Navy guys supervising Marines, and we had Marines supervising Navy guys. No difference. The only time the Marines were pulled from communications positions was when we needed guys to handle rifles, who knew how to handle them. (Only Navy Gunners Mates knew how to handle rifles).

 

[TJPark01]

Has anyone bought replacement blades? Do you have to buy the whole arm or can you just replace the rubber portion that touches the glass?

 

[ctrcbob]

I always like to carry an extra set of blades. I first checked out the Rain-X "Latitude" Blades. They have many adapters (sp) to fit the Genesis wiper arm, but none of them looked like it would be an easy fit. I think the price was around $22. each.

Went to my closest Hyundai Dealer (not my selling dealer, where I buy a lot of stuff) and they sold me the Genesis Blades much cheaper than the Rain-X Latitude blades, plus no need to adapt to the arm. I think the price was around $18. each. They did not discount them to me, it was their regular price. (My selling dealers parts guy, Richard would have discounted them to me.)

Unlike others on this forum, I don't have, and have never had (is that good English?) problems with the stock blades. I just keep them clean. I carry the extras for emergencies.

 

[mcginnpm]

Neoform wiper blade by Trico. Fits like a champ. Got 'em at my local NAPA for $22. It's the whole arm. Don't think you can get just the blade.

http://www.tricoproducts.com/brochure.cfm?brochure=5153&location_id=5214

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[meanderthal]

My problem with the wipers is that they make a loud clicking noise at the top of every upstroke. It sounds like they are hitting the windshield moulding. My local dealer has used the "normal operation" line. Anyone lese gettting the "clicking"?

I just had a new windshield installed. Now the driver's-side wiper raps the frame at the top of the upstroke...noisily, though not so hard as to cause damage. I've parked the wipers in service position and checked to see they're installed correctly. All looks ok, with the longer blade on the driver's side and both seated properly. It just seems the wiper arm is swinging a bit too far now, whereas the strokes were smooth and quiet before.

Anyone here go through this before? Suggestions?

Thanks.

 

[dg_moore]

As for cleaning them, I use Rain-X on the blades (or stuff that is just like rain-x). A lot of people use Rain-X all over their windshield, however I don't like it like that, because after a few uses, I get wiper "chatter".

I applied Aqua-Pel to my windshield (had used it on previous cars with no problems) but now I can't seem to get the windshield clean. No matter what cleaner I use, or how carefully I wipe/dry/polish, there are still hazy streaks visible when direct sunlight strikes. There were a couple of areas near the edge where the Aqua-Pel application was too thick, so I scraped it off successfully with a new razor blade, but I haven't had much luck with the streaks in the middle...

 

[Gambler]

Are you sure the haze isn't on the inside of the windshield? I'd recommend a glass cleaner with ammonia on both the inside and out (just keep the windows down or doors open).

 

[dond13]

My problem with the wipers is that they make a loud clicking noise at the top of every upstroke. It sounds like they are hitting the windshield moulding. My local dealer has used the "normal operation" line. Anyone lese gettting the "clicking"?

I also had the clicking and the local dealer also used the "normal operaton" line. I used two coats of RainX on the entire windshield and there is no more click. Plus, bugs are easier to clean off.

 

[dond13]

I just had a new windshield installed. Now the driver's-side wiper raps the frame at the top of the upstroke...noisily, though not so hard as to cause damage. I've parked the wipers in service position and checked to see they're installed correctly. All looks ok, with the longer blade on the driver's side and both seated properly. It just seems the wiper arm is swinging a bit too far now, whereas the strokes were smooth and quiet before.

Anyone here go through this before? Suggestions?

Thanks.

I was sure when I first heard mine clicking that it was rapping the frame at the top of the upstroke also, but after turning the wiper on and getting out of the car to look, it is not possible. The wiper blade is just not that long if you have the proper blade. It looks like it is hitting from inside because of the darker portion of the windshield at the top.

 

[meanderthal]

I was sure when I first heard mine clicking that it was rapping the frame at the top of the upstroke also, but after turning the wiper on and getting out of the car to look, it is not possible. The wiper blade is just not that long if you have the proper blade. It looks like it is hitting from inside because of the darker portion of the windshield at the top.

Hmmm...I wonder if the glass installer installed new blades. I've just checked further and find that my drivers'-side blade is definitely rapping the frame. Mine's not just a "click".

 

[Sayantsi]

I just had a new windshield installed. Now the driver's-side wiper raps the frame at the top of the upstroke...noisily, though not so hard as to cause damage. I've parked the wipers in service position and checked to see they're installed correctly. All looks ok, with the longer blade on the driver's side and both seated properly. It just seems the wiper arm is swinging a bit too far now, whereas the strokes were smooth and quiet before.

Anyone here go through this before? Suggestions?

Thanks.

When a new windshield is put on, the repairman typically unscrews and removes the wiper arms to keep them out of the way. I'd assume that the arms were put back on "not quite right" and may need adjusting. They are held on with a screw and friction, so you can adjust it easily enough yourself, but you may want to have the dealership do it since its under warranty. I would turn the car off, with the wiper blades set to off so they are tucked under the hood. Pop the hood to adjust the arms - make sure they are resting down at the bottom of their cubbies.

There's also the possibility that the wiper blade is in fact too long. Can you measure its length?

Maybe you can post some pics of how they sit now?

 

[Sayantsi]

I applied Aqua-Pel to my windshield (had used it on previous cars with no problems) but now I can't seem to get the windshield clean. No matter what cleaner I use, or how carefully I wipe/dry/polish, there are still hazy streaks visible when direct sunlight strikes. There were a couple of areas near the edge where the Aqua-Pel application was too thick, so I scraped it off successfully with a new razor blade, but I haven't had much luck with the streaks in the middle...

I use Invisible Glass spray with a wadded newspaper to clean the windows. Also, RainX has a window cleaner with rain repellent I use on the outer windows now and again. I find both are great for streak-free cleaning, and the newspaper for lint-free wiping.

Some repellents like Aquapel and RainX will leave a haze if you don't get them all off before they dry too much - if so you need to try a wet rag, or reapply.

 

[dg_moore]

I use Invisible Glass spray with a wadded newspaper to clean the windows. Also, RainX has a window cleaner with rain repellent I use on the outer windows now and again. I find both are great for streak-free cleaning, and the newspaper for lint-free wiping.

Some repellents like Aquapel and RainX will leave a haze if you don't get them all off before they dry too much - if so you need to try a wet rag, or reapply.

It's possible I didn't wipe the windshield sufficiently when I applied the Aquapel. The streaks I see are in the middle of the windshield where it's hard to reach and apply sufficient force to polish well. I may try a second application and see if that helps.

 

[meanderthal]

When a new windshield is put on, the repairman typically unscrews and removes the wiper arms to keep them out of the way. I'd assume that the arms were put back on "not quite right" and may need adjusting. They are held on with a screw and friction, so you can adjust it easily enough yourself, but you may want to have the dealership do it since its under warranty....

Thanks...I didn't know there was an adjustment. I took it back to the glass guys and in 5 minutes they restored the wiper travel back to perfection.