Question for 5.0 owners

[Mark_888]

Just because "you don't accept it as scientific" doesn't mean it's not valid.

I am not making definitive claims one way or the other, although I have doubts about 4.75 for 0-60 on 2015 Genesis 5.0 considering the 2012 R-Spec 5.0 was slower than that, and R-Spec was also several hundred pounds lighter than 2015.

 

[italiabrain]

I have to agree that 4.75 is optimistic at best, but I think you're being unfair. He said "effortless" was his best descriptor and I have to agree with him. I would certainly agree if he was saying less throttle was required to get the car accelerating.

When someone says acceleration feels effortless, but they haven't even floored it and your response is that it's probably slower 0-60 you're just not talking about the same thing.

 

[Midnightsun]

I am not making definitive claims one way or the other, although I have doubts about 4.75 for 0-60 on 2015 Genesis 5.0 considering the 2012 R-Spec 5.0 was slower than that, and R-Spec was also several hundred pounds lighter than 2015.

Depends on where you get the figures from does it not? 0-60 times claim the Gen 1 2012 RSpec @ 4.7. http://www.zeroto60times.com/Hyundai-0-60-mph-Times.html Like I said, who cares, there are gobs of power on tap, certainly much more than I will ever really need.

 

[Mark_888]

I have to agree that 4.75 is optimistic at best, but I think you're being unfair. He said "effortless" was his best descriptor and I have to agree with him. I would certainly agree if he was saying less throttle was required to get the car accelerating.

When someone says acceleration feels effortless, but they haven't even floored it and your response is that it's probably slower 0-60 you're just not talking about the same thing.

Arguing with a group of people who just laid down $50K + for a new car is useless. But since the 2015 is several hundred pounds heavier than the 2012-2014 R-Spec, I am skeptical. Personally, I don't care at all since 0-60 speed is very low on my requirements list of a car.

 

[Aquineas]

If you got into a 2015 5.0 you would finally understand.

Speaking of differences between gen 1 & 2. The AC is fantastic compared to the mediocre system in gen 1 and will freeze you out. The cooled seats actually got my family jewels over chilled on the way back from work wearing a pair of jeans so it is really working well. The cabin is so much more quiet it stands out considerably, amazing piece of work. Suspension is improved considerably as well as the overall handling and ride in general. In fact there is not one thing I have found yet that I preferred in the Gen1, tip of the hat to Hyundai for a major achievement.

Yeah it sounds wonderful! And I'm definitely jealous!! Having said that, I'm going to hold onto my 2012 a couple more years though. Maybe by the time I'm ready they'll have an AWD V8 available for the US market. In the meantime, I'll live vicariously through you folks.

 

[Aquineas]

I have to agree that 4.75 is optimistic at best, but I think you're being unfair. He said "effortless" was his best descriptor and I have to agree with him. I would certainly agree if he was saying less throttle was required to get the car accelerating.

When someone says acceleration feels effortless, but they haven't even floored it and your response is that it's probably slower 0-60 you're just not talking about the same thing.

I'll buy this. I didn't necessarily believe the 4.75 0-60 time, but Hyundai stated that they tuned the engine for better usable acceleration.

 

[Midnightsun]

I'll buy this. I didn't necessarily believe the 4.75 0-60 time, but Hyundai stated that they tuned the engine for better usable acceleration.

This is where I feel it also and do not forget I am driving an HTrac which will rob even more power. Feels much faster in every day driving. Probably the 2012 Rspec will take it if raced but honestly, do you care if your car accelerates from 5000 rpm to 6000 rpm quickly? As said, they tuned it for better drivability and it shows in every day driving which makes it a winner in my book. I doubt it will be far off from the RSpec, maybe even tied but that is just seat of the pants.

 

[italiabrain]

Arguing with a group of people who just laid down $50K + for a new car is useless. But since the 2015 is several hundred pounds heavier than the 2012-2014 R-Spec, I am skeptical. Personally, I don't care at all since 0-60 speed is very low on my requirements list of a car.

How is this a response to what I said? For one I have had plenty of criticisms including the weight itself. Don't act like I've been deluded just because I bought it. I've also owned the car since May, it's not like I just drove it home. I never said the car was faster, I specifically agreed with you that I doubted the 0-60 he referenced.

Presuming you're not just trolling I'll attempt to explain. I'm not saying it's faster. I'm saying it *feels* more effortless off the line at partial throttle. This could all be due to the 2015 actually having rear suspension travel. I wasn't claiming it was faster or even that it felt faster. Have you ever driven a high performance NA car with aggressive cams? This is like the exact opposite. Not more power, just subjectively less need to dip into the throttle in non-aggressive driving.

 

[Mark_888]

How is this a response to what I said? For one I have had plenty of criticisms including the weight itself. Don't act like I've been deluded just because I bought it. I've also owned the car since May, it's not like I just drove it home. I never said the car was faster, I specifically agreed with you that I doubted the 0-60 he referenced.

Presuming you're not just trolling I'll attempt to explain. I'm not saying it's faster. I'm saying it *feels* more effortless off the line at partial throttle. This could all be due to the 2015 actually having rear suspension travel. I wasn't claiming it was faster or even that it felt faster. Have you ever driven a high performance NA car with aggressive cams? This is like the exact opposite. Not more power, just subjectively less need to dip into the throttle in non-aggressive driving.

Let's not blow this out of proportion. It's just a car. A very nice car, but just a car. I didn't insult your family.

One explanation is that the spring tension on the gas peddle is lighter, so it "feels" more responsive. Or maybe it actually is more responsive, but I don't really care because it's just a car. Besides, I have enough trouble avoiding speeding tickets with my Genesis 3.8.

 

[italiabrain]

"Arguing with a group of people who just laid down $50k + for a new car is useless"
"Personally, I don't care at all..."
"It's just a car"
"I don't really care because it's just a car"

Okay, so then why are we having this conversation? Why post on the 2015 forum at all?

I pointed out that you two were probably talking about subtly different things and your response was to go ad-hominem, completely disregard what I actually said and just imply I couldn't actually observe anything about a car specifically because I had bought it...

BTW the pedal spring on the '15 is actually rather firm.

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[Mark_888]

Okay, so then why are we having this conversation? Why post on the 2015 forum at all?

I pointed out that you two were probably talking about subtly different things and your response was to go ad-hominem, completely disregard what I actually said and just imply I couldn't actually observe anything about a car specifically because I had bought it...

BTW the pedal spring on the '15 is actually rather firm.

I guess that I am just amazed that some people cannot purchase a very nice new car and be happy. No, that apparently is not enough, as the new car "must be" faster than the old one (R-Spec), even if all logic (reduced HP and increased weight) suggests that would be very difficult to achieve.

So are you suggesting that only people who really care whether 2015 V8 is faster than the 2012-2014 R-Spec can express skepticism about a "reported" 0-60 time of 4.75 sec for the 2015 V8? So if I claimed that the V6 goes 0-60 in 3.9 sec, then by your logic, you should not be able to express your skepticism about such a claim since you obviously don't care about the Genesis V6.

 

[italiabrain]

Are you being this ridiculous on purpose? I never said I wasn't happy with the car and I never said it was faster than the outgoing model. I specifically said multiple times that faster was NOT what I was talking about.

I wasn't talking about the 0-60, as I said repeatedly. I also explicitly agreed with you in doubting the 4.75 time. Please read what's been said if you're going to reply.

Do you really not see the irony in continuing to argue with people on a thread while also continually saying you don't care or see the problem with your analogy (not the least of which being I didn't say I don't care about the 3.8)?

 

[XBOHDPuKC]

If you got into a 2015 5.0 you would finally understand.

Speaking of differences between gen 1 & 2. The AC is fantastic compared to the mediocre system in gen 1 and will freeze you out. The cooled seats actually got my family jewels over chilled on the way back from work wearing a pair of jeans so it is really working well. The cabin is so much more quiet it stands out considerably, amazing piece of work. Suspension is improved considerably as well as the overall handling and ride in general. In fact there is not one thing I have found yet that I preferred in the Gen1, tip of the hat to Hyundai for a major achievement.

Speaking of family jewels... NOT... does the seat cooler actually cools the back this time, or just the seat cushion only?

 

[italiabrain]

Speaking of family jewels... NOT... does the seat cooler actually cools the back this time, or just the seat cushion only?

Certainly feels like it does the back. I can't say for sure without looking it up, but I don't think there would be enough air movement from the bottom to run up the back.

 

[Midnightsun]

Certainly feels like it does the back. I can't say for sure without looking it up, but I don't think there would be enough air movement from the bottom to run up the back.

Pretty sure it does the back also. Even my wife mentioned how it felt good.

 

[BRJACKET]

Being the original poster I am amazed at the life it has achieved. I never meant for that to happen. I went yesterday and test drove a 5.0. I can see why the owners are so happy. The handling is still very similar (this is just my unscientific impressions), the 5.0 is a little stiffer in sport mode but both cars have some roll in sharp turns. There is definitely more roll than the Lexus GS 350 F-Sport. In terms of drive feel the Genesis feels more like a smaller Lexus LS460. While I like the sport handling of the GS350 I was not that impressed with the car overall. Both versions of the Genesis are more appealing to me. On straight away pulling out into traffic and in passing cars on the road the 3.8 felt very much like the GS350. It more than gets the job done. The 5.0 does the same and can do it a little faster but the big difference is that the 5.0 doesn't seem to work as hard.

On the whole I am coming from a background of several Lexus cars and had planned on getting the GS350 but when I drove it I felt it was small and even though really held the road, just didn't get me excited. Both Genesis 3.8 and 5.0 got me excited. They give up a little sport handling but feel bigger and smoother over all. I actually really like both. The 5.0 reminds me more of my LS460 but with more technology and a much better value. It just gives up some rear leg room. The 3.8 feels like the engine works harder to give you the similar drive. The 5.0 is definitely faster but the 3.8 would satisfy anyone.

I lean toward the 5.0 because it feels more familiar since I am used to 8 cylinder cars. But I think I would be very happy with the 3.8.

 

[Seattle Genesis]

Traded in my 2012 R-spec the other day for a 2015 5.0 Utlimate. Wow. What a difference in cars. I loved my R-spec, but dang I really love my new Ultimate. Best car I've own to date. Trust me my previous selections really haven't been stellar cars. Lol. This car is more powerful, more luxurious, more room, somewhat better looking although I like particular pieces of each MY that I would like to merge together. Hyundai didn't ask me my opinion. Very happy with my choice. The tech on the car is unbelievable. The ride is incredibly controlled, firm not jarring, not bouncy like my other Genesis'. Please don't slam me for my opinion on my previous cars. Anyway. Not looking back. I would go for the 5.0 over the 3.8 in this car just because the power is there to use when you need it. Hope you are happy with your selection.

 

[Nikgen]

Traded in my 2012 R-spec the other day for a 2015 5.0 Utlimate. Wow. What a difference in cars. I loved my R-spec, but dang I really love my new Ultimate. Best car I've own to date. Trust me my previous selections really haven't been stellar cars. Lol. This car is more powerful, more luxurious, more room, somewhat better looking although I like particular pieces of each MY that I would like to merge together. Hyundai didn't ask me my opinion. Very happy with my choice. The tech on the car is unbelievable. The ride is incredibly controlled, firm not jarring, not bouncy like my other Genesis'. Please don't slam me for my opinion on my previous cars. Anyway. Not looking back. I would go for the 5.0 over the 3.8 in this car just because the power is there to use when you need it. Hope you are happy with your selection.

But for those of us in the snowbelts in the US, the 3.8 AWD makes a lot of sense versus the 5.0. It gives up very little in actual, real world driving in terms of performance and is actually a little better balanced (less nose heavy). You also get heated rear seats and a heated steering wheel - again benefits for us cold weather residents. I drove both as I did my research and the 5.0 is definitely quicker/more powerful in a direct comparison - but the 3.8 has more power than most people ever need. I'd recommend everyone drive both before they decide as there's more to the overall experience than just HP and torque - folks need to decide where their priorities lay themselves.

 

[aweime001]

I went from a 2012 R-Spec black on black to the 2015 Black on Ivory. A couple notes:

First the 2015 is heavier, and it was immediately noticeably slower on the starting line WOT. Its not the same car for sure. I love my 2012, sold it to a good friend who is enjoying it! We did line them up side by side and 2012 is 1-2 car lengths faster to 60mph, but it should be its lighter.

Second however is the quality of the 2015 is night and day over the 2012 IMO. Quietness, smooth ride, back seat isn't like sitting on a bench and feeling every bump. My kids love the ride and say its much better. The leather is smooth and has a pillow feel to it. Technology, LOL enough said...

What do i like over the 3.8. Wider back tires, looks nice!, exhaust tips, and fog lights. Rear heat and steering would have been nice but i live in the south so lets be real, don't need it.

 

[jonjon72]

Finally pulled the trigger yesterday and received confirmation today that they are taking my 2012 Genesis 2.0T as trade! woo hoo! 5.0 Ultimate AWD. Actually thought about getting the 3.8 but would have always thought "what if". Should be picking it up next week!