Rigid Collars installed on my G2!

[LarryJM]

Just ordered a set of 8 Collars for my 2015 3.8 V6 RWD after trading e-mails with Tomi. I kept pushing for 10 Collars based on the OP's experience but Tomi was adamant that 8 was the most I would need.

Will see when I get to the install step.

Please do since I have the same Genesis as you and am following all this confusing issue with a great amount of interest since I really want to do this mod, but am quite disappointed in the process at this point.

Larry

 

[lobsenza]

I have my collars, but haven't installed them yet.

 

[Aquineas]

Andy, did you manage to get them made of another material?

 

[RyanB]

Got mine in over the weekend and I received 8 with a note that I may need only 6. Definitely some confusion as to which cars take 6, 8 or 10. Either way they arrived fast and I should have them in by the weekend. Doing the install myself so I will post up how it goes once completed.

 

[lobsenza]

I did not get them made of a different material. I concluded that the interaction will not be too much of an issue after speaking to my mechanic. I am planning on having them installed next week.

 

[Seejay]

It should not a be a concern in a place like Austin, TX for the life of the car. In the thread, we were discussing the different ways in which the tweak can be made, and the least corrosive was bronze washer with stainless bolt. like the Audi. Whether that matters is another discussion. For the Genesis sedan (and like the Audi) I suspect just the geometry fix alone is worth the price of admission.

 

[chris41]

Hey RyanB.....did you install the collars yet? I have a V6 AWD Ultimate too!! How many collars did you need, 6 or 8? My buddy is buying a house with a car lift in his garage, but after reading about the rear collar installation, will this be a hindrance? I would imagine a car lift would make everything so much easier? This is one of those projects I can't fully grasp until I actually get under the car.

 

[RyanB]

Hey RyanB.....did you install the collars yet? I have a V6 AWD Ultimate too!! How many collars did you need, 6 or 8? My buddy is buying a house with a car lift in his garage, but after reading about the rear collar installation, will this be a hindrance? I would imagine a car lift would make everything so much easier? This is one of those projects I can't fully grasp until I actually get under the car.

I put in 6 since I could not find anything related to the install of the last front pair. I would assume that they would go on the bolt with the green paint in the pic though. I only installed them on the bolt with the red paint per the instructions. I will install the last two once I can confirm that that is the correct place for them. Overall jacking up the car and removing all the splash guards was more time consuming than installing the collars. It would also be nice if they included a simple pic, diagram or youtube video to clarify things better but you will figure it out once you get under the car.



I also rotated my tires, changed my oil and put a few coats of Chemical Guys Rim Sealant on the wheels while they were off. Don't know if it will help keep them clean but they sure look great now!

 

[forzza1]

Guys
I see there is some confusion related to the actual number of collars needed for G1 and G2. I have had a quick chat with Tomi from ATQ and he mentioned the following:
G1 (2010 - 2014) - use 10 collars
G2 (2015-2016) - use 6 - 8 collars

SOME Sedans, regardless of 3.8 or 5.0, have different subframes upfront. As result, in some, the collars will fit at the very front and in some they will not.
Each kit for G2 (2015 - 2016) includes 8 collars so that for guys that are able to add the extra 2 collars, they can and for the guys who can't use them, they can keep the extra 2 collars as spares (like I did).
He also mentioned that there is NO WAY to know beforehand each particular subframe type since some 5.0 for instance use 8 collars and some use only 6 (same goes for 3.8).
The 3.8 and 5.0 use the EXACT same subframe upfront.

 

[LarryJM]

Guys
I see there is some confusion related to the actual number of collars needed for G1 and G2. I have had a quick chat with Tomi from ATQ and he mentioned the following:
G1 (2010 - 2014) - use 10 collars
G2 (2015-2016) - use 6 - 8 collars

SOME Sedans, regardless of 3.8 or 5.0, have different subframes upfront. As result, in some, the collars will fit at the very front and in some they will not.
Each kit for G2 (2015 - 2016) includes 8 collars so that for guys that are able to add the extra 2 collars, they can and for the guys who can't use them, they can keep the extra 2 collars as spares (like I did).
He also mentioned that there is NO WAY to know beforehand each particular subframe type since some 5.0 for instance use 8 collars and some use only 6 (same goes for 3.8).
The 3.8 and 5.0 use the EXACT same subframe upfront.

Unfortunately and somewhat disappointing that ATQ did not include these different versions is the fact that both the 3.8 and 5.0 come in either RWD or AWD which I can see might have slight differences
in the subframe and be the reason that some need 6 and some need 8. I find it hard to believe that some say 3.8 AWD subframes take 6 and some 8 and highly question this belief that there is NO WAY to determine how many collars are needed for say an AWD or a RWD vehicle. This flies in the face of all logic IMHO.

Larry

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[sparrk]

I am also on the fence with this as I have 2016 3.8 RWD ultimate and no clear conclusion of how many needed. Does the front take different size compared to back sub frame?

Have any one talked about the HPP warranty issue related this mod?

 

[Gennie33]

Hey guys,

Tom from ATQ here.

I've been watching this thread with utter frustration for the last few months. I apologize for not being able to respond to the masses sooner. I couldn't manage to get my account registered for some reason.

The 2010-2014 Genesis Sedans Require the use of 10 Subframe collars

The 2015-2016 Require the use of 6 or 8 Collars. Each kit sent out to everyone contains 8 collars. ( 2 extra ) for those who need it.

We have installed the collars in our shop on two AWD models and 2 RWD models. Both 3.8 and 5.0 Neither of the Canadian Models required the additional 2 collars.

In the States, you could have an AWD or RWD Same engine, and the collars fit on one and not the other. This is why we include the 2 extras for you guys in case you need them. Since Hyundai did not make them the same. We have ABSOLUTELY no way of knowing whats going on under your front sub frame without literally measuring every single Sedan and putting the measurements to your vin code.

Sub frame collars DO NOT void any type of warranty on any type of vehicle, so they are safe to install without worry.

All 6/8 subframe collars install on the subframes up facing subframe bolts on the car. The only exception is the 2 studs at the very back of the subframe on the rear subframe.

Hope this helps some of you guys out.

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Unfortunately and somewhat disappointing that ATQ did not include these different versions is the fact that both the 3.8 and 5.0 come in either RWD or AWD which I can see might have slight differences
in the subframe and be the reason that some need 6 and some need 8. I find it hard to believe that some say 3.8 AWD subframes take 6 and some 8 and highly question this belief that there is NO WAY to determine how many collars are needed for say an AWD or a RWD vehicle. This flies in the face of all logic IMHO.

Larry

ATQ here, Larry it would seem that these sub frames were pulled from a pile with some allowing the additional 2 collars and some not. We do not control Hyundai's production line and have absolutely no way of knowing which is which since it seems to be random. As such we include 2 additional collars with each 2015-16 kit, so that our customers are able to add the other 2 if needed. We have worked on 4 Sedans, AWD/RWD and not one out of the 4 required the additional 2 collars. In the States, some of you are able to add them and some are not. Without physically measuring, every single sedan, and noting those measurements to your specific vin, there is absolutely no way to know. This is common with many vehicles that the manufacturer will pull parts from essentially a pile and put them on the vehicle. The RWD and AWD Sedans have the exact same sub frames. The collars welded to the subframe in the very front, could be various sizes during the welding process from the factory.

Hope that clears it up for you.

 

[Lord Humunculous]

Thanks for the heads up Tom, I will be ordering mine soon, at least it's been on my list for a while. There is a similar mod for P2 and P2.5 Volvos, so I know this type of thing works, even outside of the positive 1st hand reviews.

 

[Gennie33]

Once we finish and move into our state of the art expansion, we will be working on a wide array of products for you guys as well. I wanted to thank everyone for thinking of ATQ when it comes to your mods, and look forward to providing you guys with some additional new goodies in the near future.

With the expansion we will also hopefully have complete video DIY's and detailed descriptions of what the products are, how they install and what they do. I understand that written DIY's aren't always so easy to understand and can lead to frustrations so I'm hoping the video portion will help alleviate those stresses for you guys.

 

[amartz]

Hey guys,

Tom from ATQ here.

I've been watching this thread with utter frustration for the last few months. I apologize for not being able to respond to the masses sooner. I couldn't manage to get my account registered for some reason.

Hey Tom. Thanks for your product, from a satisfied customer!!

 

[Yoda1]

Hi Tom,

Any chance you could make these collars in brass instead of aluminium? I've had corrosion issues with winter salting and aluminium on steel after the 6 to 7 years mark in Mass.

 

[RyanB]

Had mine installed for about a week now and I would definitely recommend these. The how many should you use was a bit confusing but they cleared that up with the post above and I installed 6. All in all this is a pretty easy mod that anyone should be able to do in an afternoon. The guys at ATQ are also fast to reply on Facebook and they ship out the orders extremely fast. Thumbs up from me!

 

[Gennie33]

Hi Tom,

Any chance you could make these collars in brass instead of aluminium? I've had corrosion issues with winter salting and aluminium on steel after the 6 to 7 years mark in Mass.

That would be the usual wear and tear of a vehicle after 6-7 years and not likely caused by aluminum products you had on your vehicle. Winter salting will begin to rust a vehicle regardless of how well maintained within the first 2 years of ownership. It would take 100 years or more for aluminum collars to cause any form of steel to corrode to the point that you can visually notice an issue.

 

[LarryJM]

Tom or anyone else that has installed these can you answer the following since it appears that each sub-frame (fwd and aft) each should be secured to the unibody at four points. It is issue an actual lack of a hole for a collar or that the collar won't fit. I'm wondering if some subframes had slightly different sized holes in two specific locations in them on two separate production runs or source manufacturers. If these had holes just slightly smaller than others and the collars being provided were sized for the larger holes then on those subframes with the smaller holes the collars would not fit. A solution could be to provide all collars for that location based on the smaller hole. This would allow for a collar at all subframe attachment points to the unibody with the only downside being those with the slightly large holed subframe would not get the max rigidity as those with the larger subframe holes.

I could easily see where something like this could occur since the sub-frame specs for those attachment holes probably have a size with a tolerance and depending on the manufacturer and machining there could be some slight variance. This is sort of like the issues with wheel manufacturing where the hub pilot (i.e. hole in center of the wheel) can be exactly located on each wheel, much more accurately than to get the numerous stud holes in the wheel accurately spaced to exactly and consistently center a wheel using the studs vs. the hub pilot.

Larry

 

[Gennie33]

Tom or anyone else that has installed these can you answer the following since it appears that each sub-frame (fwd and aft) each should be secured to the unibody at four points. It is issue an actual lack of a hole for a collar or that the collar won't fit. I'm wondering if some subframes had slightly different sized holes in two specific locations in them on two separate production runs or source manufacturers. If these had holes just slightly smaller than others and the collars being provided were sized for the larger holes then on those subframes with the smaller holes the collars would not fit. A solution could be to provide all collars for that location based on the smaller hole. This would allow for a collar at all subframe attachment points to the unibody with the only downside being those with the slightly large holed subframe would not get the max rigidity as those with the larger subframe holes.

I could easily see where something like this could occur since the sub-frame specs for those attachment holes probably have a size with a tolerance and depending on the manufacturer and machining there could be some slight variance. This is sort of like the issues with wheel manufacturing where the hub pilot (i.e. hole in center of the wheel) can be exactly located on each wheel, much more accurately than to get the numerous stud holes in the wheel accurately spaced to exactly and consistently center a wheel using the studs vs. the hub pilot.

Larry

Hey Larry,

On those subframes that cannot fit the collars, the tolerance is so tight, then the bolts are already snug and require no additional collars. The other ones have larger holes, which is why they would require some. Hope this information helps!