Should I Rust Proof

[cynalan]

I just put a deposit on a '12 Genesis 3.8 sedan. The dealer mentioned the car had never been rustproofed and recommended it. I have read elsewhere that rustproofing is pretty much just a way for the dealer to pad their profit. Any thoughts? What is the track record of the Genesis with respect to corrosion? Thanks.

 

[dareckibmw]

Nope, don't waste your money on that....put those money towards the extended warranty package and make sure it's from Hyundai.

 

[dg_moore]

+1. Rustproofing will benefit the dealer far more than you. Put your money elsewhere.

 

[Mark_888]

Irate Customer: [sitting with wife and talking to Jerry Lundegarrd]
We sat right here in this room and went over this [during previous visit to dealer].

Jerry Lundegaard: Yah, but that TruCoat...

Irate Customer: I said I didn't want any TruCoat!

Jerry Lundegaard: Yah, but I'm saying, that TruCoat, you don't get it, you get oxidation problems...

Irate Customer: You're sitting there talking in circles like we didn't go over this already!

Jerry Lundegaard: Yeah, but this TruCoat...

Irate Customer: We had a deal for $. Darned if you didn't tell me you'd get me this car without the sealant for $.

Jerry Lundegaard: All right, I'm not saying I didn't.

Irate Customer: You called me and said you had "it."
"Ready to make delivery" you says.
And here you are and you're wasting my time and my wife's time.
And I'm [only] paying $ for this vehicle here!

Jerry Lundegaard: All right. I'll talk to my boss.
[Jerry stands up, about to leave the room]
See, they install that TruCoat at the factory. There's nothing we can do.
But I'll talk to my boss.

Irate Customer: [talking to his wife]
These guys here. These guys. It's always the same. It's always more.

[Jerry Lundegaard leaves the room and goes into a another office, pretending to talk to his manager]

Jerry Lundegaard: [talking to another salesman who is watching a football game on TV]
You going to the Gophers game on Sunday?

Other Salesman: Oh, you betcha.

Jerry Lundegaard: You wouldn't have an extra ticket?

Other Salesman: You kiddin'?

Jerry Lundegaard: [Jerry returns to room with customer and his wife, with big smile on his face]:
Well. He's never done this before [referring to nonexistent manager], but seein' as it's special circumstances an' all...
He says I can knock $100 off that TruCoat.

Irate Customer: One hundred?
You lied to me, Mr Lundegaard.
You're a bald-faced liar.

Irate Customer’s wife: Bucky, please!

Irate Customer: A... f__king liar.

Irate Customer’s wife: Bucky, please!

Irate Customer: Where's my goddamn checkbook?
Let's get this over with, Where is it?

 

[RSPEC429]

The F&I department is where a dealership makes a significant part of their profit. Don't fall for the trap.

 

[Buford T Justice]

No need, the bottom of our cars is covered by plastic to keep road noise down and fuel economy up.

This also means salt and stuff stays off the metal frame!

 

[RSPEC429]

Most modern cars are dipped in some sort of anti-corrosion mixture anyway.

 

[cynalan]

Thanks for the comments everyone. Figured as much. Get my new ride on Tuesday. Looking forward to it.

 

[Matheson]

Rust Cure 3000 at Canadian Tire in Canada is good.

 

[DRS]

Rust Cure 3000 at Canadian Tire in Canada is good.

I am having second thoughts. Where I live, we have couple of real good car wash systems that do a amazing underbody clean and rust inhibitor Application. Been running since 1990 or so. And improved from time to time.. None of my cars have had rustproofing, and show no rust. This includes some older cars from 90s and early 2000s. IF you have something like this as part of a good wash system, rust proofing may not be needed.. On the HD trucks, I use good systems for rust proofing... Never failed me.

I keep hearing comments about the plastic panels under the car.. And I have looked at them carefully while on the rack. The commercial high pressure under body wash I mention above seems to get most of the crap that gets in behind these panels. They panels are NOT waterproof, or designed to protect from road corrosion. I take issue with the previous comments. And these panels seem to trap in salt and corrosive grime on exposed, and not well rust proof treated, metal body components.

When one drives in winter, on highways and roads, water and corrosive material has a way of penetration in all kinds of places. And those places are hard to clean and the corrosion will begin. The no. Waterproof panels may reduce the effectiveness of underbody cleaning. Those systems will hit the car for less than a minute, verses long periods of times where the wheels what not, churns up corrosive brew that gets past the panels while driving. The underbody cleaning may not work well enough. And if someone does not do this, regular rain water in the road my not sweep away winter rap.

Point is.. Been thinking of going back to rust proofing to protect the because the panels actually help hold in corrosive water and agents. Jury is still out. Something to consider, especially if keeping the car past the corrosion warranty limits. Plus, no one really wants to have warranty corrosion body work done anyway.. That is like fixing a wrecked car. Once repaired, no longer virgin.

The system mentioned above and others will actually take used cars corrosion that has started, and stop it. So, is effective in great condition used cars..

Anyway, something to consider. I am still wrestling through this. Too bad, do not live in AZ..l not a problem to worry about.

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[iSOBigD]

Sorry to bring the thread back to life, but rustproof your car.

I'll post more pics after I get my camera from my other car, but long story short, I got my 2012 Genesis rust proofed today and took pics/videos as they did it for over 3 hours! Everyone saying it doesn't rust probably hasn't looked at their car very closely or does not live in places where it snows and we use salt. I saw all kinds of surface rust (no holes, nothing orreversable) and within 1-2 more winters bolts and some surfaces would probably have rusted through.

The car was originally rust proofed (terribly) by the dealer so I found some hardened black stuff around the hood of the car and pretty much nowhere else. Whoever owned the car before me probably wasted a good bit of money on that garbage.

I'm a perfectionist so I didn't want some random spraying under the car crap. I went to this place in Montreal called Barry's and they did a super thorough job, removing all plastic covers, carpets, felt and spraying pretty much every metal surface (top, bottom and inside) under the car, in the engine bay, inside the trunk, over and under the fenders, under the carpets, around and inside all doors, around the door trim, etc. Basically everything but plastic surfaces and the exhaust which gets too hot was sprayed twice with non drip stuff, inside and out. Any 30 minute rustproofing other places offer are garbage and generally involve just someone spraying randomly from under the car so the top part of the metal is dry. Check out Youtube for examples of that.

Anyway, I do photography and they didn't mind me taking pics the entire time, so I'll post some examples of how rusty some surfaces were. I'm sure the people who mention luxury cars not rusting probably live in California and don't have to worry about salt, but here all S classes and 7 series rust too, just not as quickly as Civics.

 

[iSOBigD]

^^ That dirt came out from just one fender and I've never driven off road or on gravel. Each plastic cover under the car was just as full of dirt. They do lead air under the car but also fill up with dirt and salt which causes rust.

^^ No rust according to some people. In reality, almost every exposed, unpainted piece of metal is rusting, as well as any metal under the plastic covers. The only parts with 0 rust were inside the car (under the carpets, in the trunk, over the fenders on the inside of the trunk, etc.)

^^ Some rustproofing. Notice all the rusty areas.

^^ Rustproofed under side before the plastic covers went back on. Everything shiny black and brown was basically sprayed above, below and inside. Notice all the rusty areas.

So there you have it, if someone claims the Genesis doesn't rust, it's only if you never drive it...and you ignore the rusted rear calipers. I suggest proper rustproofing on any car if it ever comes into contact with water or salt. Oh and there are lots of plugged drain holes under the car so if water gets in, it's not coming out unless you unplug those (most of mine had rust around the edges of the holes).

 

[craigt]

Do you park your car in a salt mine? That underside looks terrible.

 

[iSOBigD]

Do you park your car in a salt mine? That underside looks terrible.

Hah! I live in Montreal, Canada and I have in-door parking. The city uses salt on all roads in the winter so it destroys cars, there's no such thing as 10 year old cars here which aren't rusty, especially if you don't rust proof them.

My car's a 2012 so it only saw about 2-3 winters max with the first owner. However, this is the case for all cars here. They all rust no matter what the brand or price point unless everything is covered in POR 15 and never gets chipped so I don't want others to think that just because they have a luxury car they shouldn't worry about it.

 

[craigt]

I'm no stranger to salt, living in the Northeast. But I'm sure we use less than in Canada.

My wife had an RX300 for 12 years. No rust related problems. I had a Passat for 8 years. I did have a handful of "rusted shut" bolts that needed to be cut off, but nothing really serious. The rest of the cars were shorter term.

 

[BrazGenesis]

If memory doesn't fail me we have a HUGE term/mileage warranty for rust. (all over the car)
That would make paying for protection kind of useless.
Should the owner plan a very extended use of the car I think he'd better focus on extended warranty.

 

[iSOBigD]

If memory doesn't fail me we have a HUGE term/mileage warranty for rust. (all over the car)
That would make paying for protection kind of useless.
Should the owner plan a very extended use of the car I think he'd better focus on extended warranty.

I'm curious what that actually covers. You mean if I can get 10 bolts off because of rust, they'll cover it? How about if the exhaust pipes are covered in rust? How about all the suspension and moving parts behind the wheels? I'm pretty sure they'll put that under wear and tear and not cover anything until you get major rust damage which is hard to fix without replacing metal plates, and by that point it'll be a little late. I think a couple of hundred bucks to avoid that for many years is well worth it, especially when people don't look under the plastic covers or around the drain holes, so they'll only notice the problem years after it's too late.

 

[craigt]

Rust warranty is USUALLY for the body parts (hood, fenders, doors, etc), and the rust must corrode through the entire panel. The term typically used is "rust through".

I seriously doubt it will cover bolts, hinges, suspension parts, etc.