Single or Dual Signature Package HID Headlights

[tazrig]

I was working on a friend's 2007 5 series today and was very surprised to find that the car only had HID's on the high beam side and regular halogen beams on the low side.

Does anyone know for certain if adding the "signature package" on the 2015 which lists HID headlights gives you both high beam AND low beam HID headlights or do you just get the high beams in HID?

I'd also like to hear from people that have the factory HID's from Hyundai in their late model Gennys and if those are true dual HID's or just on the high beams.

 

[wchettel]

I have a 2013 R-Spec and the HID's are the low beam projector lamps.

 

[katman0]

I have a 2013 R-Spec and the HID's are the low beam projector lamps.

Same set up on my 2012 V6 Premium

 

[tazrig]

Right after I posted the above question late last night. I decided to contact Hyundai directly via email. I wasn't expecting much back but actually got the following answer back this morning:



Dear xxxxxxxxx:

Thank you for contacting the Genesis Customer Care Center. We appreciate your interest in our new 2015 Genesis.

We are happy to inform you that the 2015 Genesis does feature HID on both high and low beams with the technology package. You can also view more features available by using the build and price feature on www.HyundaiUSA.com

We recommend you visit your local dealership to verify the availability of the 2015 Genesis you are looking for so that they may conduct a search for the vehicle in their allocation system.

You can locate authorized Hyundai dealerships to have a chance to see the vehicle and possibly test drive using the following options:

- Website: http://www.HyundaiUSA.com (click on "Find a Dealer" in the upper right corner, enter your zip code and click on "Locate")
- Call: (866) 400-0384 (enter zip code for automated assistance)

If you have any additional questions that we can assist with, please reach out to us again at any time and reference case number 655xxxx. We can be reached by calling our toll-free customer service number (877) 378-8727 or by emailing CustomerSupport@HyundaiEquus.com.

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Thank you for your interest in the 2015 Genesis and for contacting Hyundai Motor America.






-----Original Message-----
From: xxxx@comcast.net
Sent: Apr 19, 2014 11:45:19 PM
Subject: Hyundai USA - Product Information Request

Product Information Request
Message: Can you please tell me if the 2015 Genesis for the U.S. with the technology package has HID on both the high and low beams or just on one of them and if so which one? Thank you.



I was glad to see that a car at this price point did in fact have HID on both the high and low beams as it should. Also thank you to both wchettel and katman0 for the info on what their 2013 and 2012 Gennys came with.

 

[Alwaysforward]

Awesome news. Thanks for taking the extra step an contacting them for the answer many of us were looking for. Much appreciated

 

[BPSCG]

Right after I posted the above question late last night. I decided to contact Hyundai directly via email. I wasn't expecting much back but actually got the following answer back this morning:



Dear xxxxxxxxx:

Thank you for contacting the Genesis Customer Care Center. We appreciate your interest in our new 2015 Genesis.

We are happy to inform you that the 2015 Genesis does feature HID on both high and low beams with the technology package. You can also view more features available by using the build and price feature on www.HyundaiUSA.com

I was glad to see that a car at this price point did in fact have HID on both the high and low beams as it should. Also thank you to both wchettel and katman0 for the info on what their 2013 and 2012 Gennys came with.

Actually, I'm not sure that answers your question. You asked about the "signature" package, and they answered about the "technology" package.

 

[tazrig]

Actually, I'm not sure that answers your question. You asked about the "signature" package, and they answered about the "technology" package.

Good catch. I think that might just be a typo as there is only one package that offers HID lighting. Also I was planing on getting the "premium" package to get the upgraded leather, wood and the best stereo. In order to do that you have to buy the other 2 packages. Not real thrilled about that...

 

[brfatal]

OP, you are mistaken. Your friends car did NOT have HID high beams. No car on the planet comes with independent HID bulbs for HID because they are not usable for the application. If they were there, your friend had installed an HID kit.

 

[tazrig]

The ballast, igniter and HID bulb went into the high beam lamp on his 2007 530xi. All OEM. The 2015 genesis with factory HID (according to Hyundai USA) has it as well. You may be thinking that there is no Single HID bulb for both high and low beam and you would be correct but if you have separate high and low beam headlights you can have OEM HID on the high or low beam headlight or both.

 

[brfatal]

The ballast, igniter and HID bulb went into the high beam lamp on his 2007 530xi. All OEM. The 2015 genesis with factory HID (according to Hyundai USA) has it as well. You may be thinking that there is no Single HID bulb for both high and low beam and you would be correct but if you have separate high and low beam headlights you can have OEM HID on the high or low beam headlight or both.

Incorrect on both counts again. This is not OEM. The 2007 530XI uses H7 high beam bulbs. H7 is a halogen bulb size.

http://www.lightbulbs4cars.com/bmw bulb guide

You'll notice that the only HID bulb sizes (D1S and D2S) are listed under low beams. All high beams are H7 or 9005. Halogen sizes.

And no, single HID bulb for both low and high beams is the only manner in which cars will have HID highs. Bixenon is a shared bulb with a motorized shield in the optic that moves when the high beams are turned on. Independent HIDs for high beams and low beams simply do not exist and there is a reason for that. Use as high beams is a quick way to kill HIDs. HIDs require a 10-15 second warm up period and consistantly not letting them reach operating temp will greatly reduce their lifespans. Independent HIDs cannot be flashed or used a few seconds at a time (as most people use highs) without very short lifespans. Hence why bixenon exists, as the bulb is already lit.

You friend has an HID kit and one that's not suited for the use it's employed in.

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[tazrig]

Incorrect on both counts again. This is not OEM. The 2007 530XI uses H7 high beam bulbs. H7 is a halogen bulb size.

http://www.lightbulbs4cars.com/bmw bulb guide

You'll notice that the only HID bulb sizes (D1S and D2S) are listed under low beams. All high beams are H7 or 9005. Halogen sizes.

And no, single HID bulb for both low and high beams is the only manner in which cars will have HID highs. Bixenon is a shared bulb with a motorized shield in the optic that moves when the high beams are turned on. Independent HIDs for high beams and low beams simply do not exist and there is a reason for that. Use as high beams is a quick way to kill HIDs. HIDs require a 10-15 second warm up period and consistantly not letting them reach operating temp will greatly reduce their lifespans. Independent HIDs cannot be flashed or used a few seconds at a time (as most people use highs) without very short lifespans. Hence why bixenon exists, as the bulb is already lit.

You friend has an HID kit and one that's not suited for the use it's employed in.

Look I don't know what to tell you and I'm not going to argue the point past this post but you're getting bad information. Go to www.bavauto.com (BMW parts specialist) and punch in this part number 63 21 7 162 862 The bulbs you're saying would fit in the car don't even have the same base and wouldn't fit first of all. Second of all it doesn't take 10-15 seconds for an HID to warm up unless you are using some super cheap bulb from China that I'm not aware of. They come on with close to full brightness instantly and it only takes a few seconds, if that, to come the rest of the way up. They are 3 times as bright as halogens and last 10 times longer. (my car has a Phillips HID kit in it, my friends is all OEM) I flash my HID high beams all the time, I use my HID low beams as daytime running lights and have only had to replace them once in 7 years. My high beam HID's are still fine and my car has 120k on it. I posted the email from Hyundai corporate saying their 2015 Gennys are coming with BOTH high and low beam HID but apparently you know more than the manufacturer does. Also there are many different sized HID bulbs. They are different lengths to fit each manufacturers needs. a 9005 or H7 just refers to the size and length of the bulb. You can get HID replacements in virtually any size. Manufactures specify what size they need for OEM HID's based on optimal beam pattern and available room inside that particular headlight.

 

[Midnightsun]

Lets not get our panties in a not now.

BMW in their 7 series since 2011 and infinity G37, M56 do indeed have factory HID lights on their high beams. Probably some others also but I am not familiar with them. Needless to say this is not very common.

These are always projector style and function by moving the light to achieve the difference between high and low beams.

If you want to read about this go here. Scroll down to Projector (polyellipsoidal) lamps http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bi-xenon_HID_headlamp#HID_technonogy

It is possible Hyundai did go this route even though it is quite rare. Or it could just be a typically misinformed customer satisfaction employee spewing things they have no knowledge about and informing us in error. Guess we need to wait for the first of us to actually try the lights on a real North American production model.

They do seem to have gone single projector as the inner most light or what looks like one is only the flasher now as can be seen here at 1:30 of this video clip. [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Kk6kbLBsoU"]FIRST DRIVE - 2015 Hyundai Genesis by Ron Doron - YouTube[/ame]

Add the that the DRL are now the LED trim around the headlights, the Genesis is now a good candidate for Bi-xenon technology and hopefully this is what we will see.

 

[brfatal]

Look I don't know what to tell you and I'm not going to argue the point past this post but you're getting bad information. Go to www.bavauto.com (BMW parts specialist) and punch in this part number 63 21 7 162 862 The bulbs you're saying would fit in the car don't even have the same base and wouldn't fit first of all. Second of all it doesn't take 10-15 seconds for an HID to warm up unless you are using some super cheap bulb from China that I'm not aware of. They come on with close to full brightness instantly and it only takes a few seconds, if that, to come the rest of the way up. They are 3 times as bright as halogens and last 10 times longer. (my car has a Phillips HID kit in it, my friends is all OEM) I flash my HID high beams all the time, I use my HID low beams as daytime running lights and have only had to replace them once in 7 years. My high beam HID's are still fine and my car has 120k on it. I posted the email from Hyundai corporate saying their 2015 Gennys are coming with BOTH high and low beam HID but apparently you know more than the manufacturer does. Also there are many different sized HID bulbs. They are different lengths to fit each manufacturers needs. a 9005 or H7 just refers to the size and length of the bulb. You can get HID replacements in virtually any size. Manufactures specify what size they need for OEM HID's based on optimal beam pattern and available room inside that particular headlight.

I see someone knows nothing at all about automotive lighting.

1. Yes, the part you linked is a D1S bulb. But that's not for high beams. That's for the low beams..... But I suppose even BMW part diagrams are also wrong and that you know more than a BMW parts department, or even BMW period does.

http://parts.bmwofsouthatlanta.com/showAssembly.aspx?ukey_assembly=259982

#9 is clearly an H7 bulb and even labeled as such. Only H7s have that little tab.

Also notice the lack of electrode post next to the bulb, a required part on HID bulbs.

2. And yes, it does take 10-15 seconds. Even OEM grades. Just because they are done changing color sooner it doesn't mean they they are at operating temperature..... Same as when your car's coolant temp shows it's warmed up, the engine still has far to go before reaching temp.

3. And yes, rapid on/off cycling on cold HIDs is most certainly bad for them. It causes undue wear and tear/stress on the ballast, the igniter, the bulb's electrode (same concept as spark plugs over time, the gap widens. But faster).

4. And the Genesis may have hi/lo HIDs. That automatically implies bixenon headlights. Which is great if true.

5. Neither 9005 nor H7 are available in HID sizes. These are purely halogen. Any 9005 or H7 HID bulbs are just rebased aftermarket bulbs. Ones that are 50-state illegal at that (all kits are). The ONLY real/OE sizes that HIDs come in are D bulbs (D1R, D2S, D4C, etc). All other sizes are illegal aftermarket kits.

Please stop posting misinformation. Everyone will be better for it.

Thanks.

 

[jediscuba]

I hear you loud and clear, and had read all of the engineering technical data on the HID systems. A few years ago, I might have believed everything I read and not tried to go beyond the common beliefs. Like Columbus, I refused to go with conventional thinking.

On my 2001 GMC Yukon XL with 4 separate reflector sections, I decided to convert the low beams to HID. Having successfully done that and loving the results, I decided to risk the few dollars and invest in a set of High Beam HIDs. I did this mod in 2010. Now 4 years later and over 50,000 miles of night time driving, I'm still with the original bulbs. Seems you can pulse the HID bulbs, just the way we did for years as professional photographers with our strobe units and the way airports do with their landing lights.

By the way, I've even added diodes in the switching circuit with no permits me to run the low beams in conjunction with the high beams. With 4 HIDs going at one time, I turn back roads on a moonless night into day time.

Forget the conventional wisdom and try it .....

Steve

Incorrect on both counts again. This is not OEM. The 2007 530XI uses H7 high beam bulbs. H7 is a halogen bulb size.

http://www.lightbulbs4cars.com/bmw bulb guide

You'll notice that the only HID bulb sizes (D1S and D2S) are listed under low beams. All high beams are H7 or 9005. Halogen sizes.

And no, single HID bulb for both low and high beams is the only manner in which cars will have HID highs. Bixenon is a shared bulb with a motorized shield in the optic that moves when the high beams are turned on. Independent HIDs for high beams and low beams simply do not exist and there is a reason for that. Use as high beams is a quick way to kill HIDs. HIDs require a 10-15 second warm up period and consistantly not letting them reach operating temp will greatly reduce their lifespans. Independent HIDs cannot be flashed or used a few seconds at a time (as most people use highs) without very short lifespans. Hence why bixenon exists, as the bulb is already lit.

You friend has an HID kit and one that's not suited for the use it's employed in.

 

[DRS]

My 2015 Ultimate 5.0 has single projector that houses what appears to be the system with the shield that flips when hitting the Hi beam. I wondered about how they did this. The inner light that is yellow, becomes the DRL when switch is turned to "auto". In off position, no DRL. The LEDs below bumper are fogs. The LED design within the lens package seems to be like a "parking" light function. With this post, will look more serious. Only had it for a week or so. Still have the 2012 5.0.. With its single HID for low only. Also, both when in "automatic" mode will fire the HID headlights when pulling into garage way too easy. Which is a problem for the "warm up" issue. I have had to sit in car running for 5 minutes to let them heat up before shutting off. Hope that is good enough. Most the time I flip the switch to off before pulling into garage.

 

[Midnightsun]

Also, both when in "automatic" mode will fire the HID headlights when pulling into garage way too easy. Which is a problem for the "warm up" issue. I have had to sit in car running for 5 minutes to let them heat up before shutting off. Hope that is good enough. Most the time I flip the switch to off before pulling into garage.

It seems you believe the hid need to go full on before shut off? I really never heard of this and have had many cars with HID lights. Never have I paid any attention to this nor have I ever had any premature failures or problems. If there is something I am not aware of please spill the beans.

 

[rbottos]

I have a 2015 genesis 3.8 sedan with base trim. The halogen headlights are the combo drl and highbeam and the lower bulb is the 9005 halogen not the H11 quoted on bulb sites???

 

[jediscuba]

Good catch. I think that might just be a typo as there is only one package that offers HID lighting. Also I was planing on getting the "premium" package to get the upgraded leather, wood and the best stereo. In order to do that you have to buy the other 2 packages. Not real thrilled about that...

I have the 2015 Genesis 5.0
The headlight system uses a single HID on each side.
To create the high/low beam as needed, there is a shutter blade
that is moved within the housing. the bulb does not go off and thus the temperature stays the same. Driving the back roads of Southampton, NY on a moonless night, let me tell you, this system works well.

 

[clinton626]

I was working on a friend's 2007 5 series today and was very surprised to find that the car only had HID's on the high beam side and regular halogen beams on the low side.

Does anyone know for certain if adding the "signature package" on the 2015 which lists HID headlights gives you both high beam AND low beam HID headlights or do you just get the high beams in HID?

I'd also like to hear from people that have the factory HID's from Hyundai in their late model Gennys and if those are true dual HID's or just on the high beams.

On the 2015 Genny they are single HID bulbs that mechanically move up and down to give you Low and High Beam.