Things I don't miss about ICE vehicles

[Looney100]

Yes, that’s because you rent a car to go out of town.

Yes. And I think that is brilliant. We should all be this smart.

Most of us buy the car we think we'll need sometime. Why are there so many pickup trucks driven around the city with nothing in the bed or on the hitch, or full size SUVs with nothing inside them except for a driver and briefcase? We should all be so smart as to own the car that is optimal for us 95% of the time and rent what we need for the remaining 5%.

 

[PMCErnie]

Yeah we get it Alfer, you and Ernie HATE EVs, You have more than enough portions of the ICE focused forums to post your distain. Please stay in your lane.

There are lanes here now? People are forbidden to voice opinions in forums? Thankfully, not. We can all join in anywhere on Genesis topics.

Funny, I’ve never said I hate EV’s. Kindly don’t speak for me. I can handle that myself.

 

[PMCErnie]

This is always a good point. It's forever been that way with science and tech especially. Early adopters are also the ones that help to bankroll and flesh out things for the rest of us. Sometimes it fails, other times it's hugely successful but without these people, attempts at commercializing new tech would be DOA and we'd never progress.

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I hope the EV early adopters are paying their fare share of taxes for highway maintenance like ICE drivers are when they fuel up. I’m doing my best to keep the roads safe.

 

[steveinarizona]

I hope the EV early adopters are paying their fare share of taxes for highway maintenance like ICE drivers are when they fuel up. I’m doing my best to keep the roads safe.

Here in Arizona we are as we pay a high annual fee which was imposed because we are not purchasing gasoline and thereby paying road tax.

 

[ideutsch]

Here in Arizona we are as we pay a high annual fee which was imposed because we are not purchasing gasoline and thereby paying road tax.

In Virginia, EV owners pay an additional $128/year in highway use fees. The state makes sure to recoup the money they’re missing out on from fuel sales.

 

[Husky]

Same here in NH, as well as many other states I suspect.
But road maintenance is cheap in comparison to the recovery costs related to floods, fires, droughts and hurricanes that are so much worse and more frequent from climate change. I'm waiting for the ICE tax to help pay for that!

 

[Looney100]

I hope the EV early adopters are paying their fare share of taxes for highway maintenance like ICE drivers are when they fuel up. I’m doing my best to keep the roads safe.

Are ICE vehicle owners paying their fair share of costs related to pollution and climate impacts? Not sure how your question is relevant to the topic here.

 

[PMCErnie]

Same here in NH, as well as many other states I suspect.
But road maintenance is cheap in comparison to the recovery costs related to floods, fires, droughts and hurricanes that are so much worse and more frequent from climate change. I'm waiting for the ICE tax to help pay for that!

I thought New Hampshire residents believed in “Live Free, Or Die?” That’s what General John Stark told me.

 

[Alfer]

Are ICE vehicle owners paying their fair share of costs related to pollution and climate impacts? Not sure how your question is relevant to the topic here.

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Batteries do more harm upfront – then less year after year​

With all that's required to mine and process minerals — from giant diesel trucks to fossil-fuel-powered refineries — EV battery production has a significant carbon footprint. As a result, building an electric vehicle does more damage to the climate than building a gas car does.

 

[ideutsch]

There are lanes here now? People are forbidden to voice opinions in forums? Thankfully, not. We can all join in anywhere on Genesis topics.

Funny, I’ve never said I hate EV’s. Kindly don’t speak for me. I can handle that myself.

Thing is, the topic of this thread wasn’t “What is your opinion on EVs?” it was “What aspects of ICE vehicles do you not miss (as an EV owner)?”

Voicing on-topic opinions is one thing, but your messages in this thread have been off topic and started off with misinformation such as EV fast charging taking an hour. Now you’re just gaslighting.

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[ideutsch]

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Batteries do more harm upfront – then less year after year​

With all that's required to mine and process minerals — from giant diesel trucks to fossil-fuel-powered refineries — EV battery production has a significant carbon footprint. As a result, building an electric vehicle does more damage to the climate than building a gas car does.

Over the lifecycle of a vehicle the EV has lower greenhouse gas emissions and this will only improve with battery technology advancements.

Electric Vehicle Myths | US EPA

Facts and myths about electric vehicles.

www.epa.gov

 

[hurricane7719]

Living in a somewhat rural part of Southern NH, I will say that having to fill up my ICE vehicles can be a time consuming nuisance, because there are no gas stations in our town. The nearest gas station is about 10 miles to the East, with another one 10 miles to the South. (When I had my old muscle car, which got about 12mpg, I used to joke that it took two gallons of gas to put in sixteen.)
If I'm going to drive past, or close to, one of those stations that's great. But if my travel plans are to go North or West, I have to drive considerably farther to find one, or go considerably out of my way to get to one.
Mind you, this is in southern NH (the more built-up part of the state) - I'm not talking about a really remote area in the northern White Mountains.
So for us, being able to charge our EV at home has really made life a bit easier and much more convenient, with less time spent "going to get gas first". (Yes, I realize that not everyone can charge at home.)
Also, my G70 typically only gets about 250 miles on a tank before I feel I should fill it (about 1/8 tank left). This isn't much better than 80% of the range on my EV6. Also, we're among the 90% who do most of their driving locally. In the past seven months of EV ownership (and 8500 miles), we've only had to use a public charger four times, for two four hour trips. (And those chargers worked fine.)

Everyone's experience regarding the infrastructure is going to be a bit different.

I'm in a similar boat. About 6 miles to the nearest gas station. I've long thought that if you can't charge at home, the inconvenience of owning an EV multiplies. 6 miles to a gas station, a bit more than 10 to the nearest public charger, which is only 50 kW. Quite a bit further to the nearest fast charger. And then there's the cost, typically public charging is way more expensive than charging at home, though that varies with location.

There's several examples where ICE is way more convenient:
- I have a friend who lives in a condo downtown. The condo won't/can't provide even level charger charging infrastructure. It would be much more inconvenient for him to have to rely solely on public charging. But at the same time, gas station in the downtown are of our city are few and far between. And typically much more expensive than the ones outside the core.
- Out in cottage country west of the city, public charging infrastructure is few and far between. One could make it work with at home charging, but as a visitor camping or renting a cottage, it could be very inconvenient.

My wife loves the fact that she no longer has to stop for gas. But there's a potential downside to that. Forget to plug in the car at night, and you better plan for an extra ~30 minutes or so for a charging session.

 

[PMCErnie]

Thing is, the topic of this thread wasn’t “What is your opinion on EVs?” it was “What aspects of ICE vehicles do you not miss (as an EV owner)?”

Voicing on-topic opinions is one thing, but your messages in this thread have been off topic and started off with misinformation such as EV fast charging taking an hour. Now you’re just gaslighting.

Look again, the title of this thread is…

“Things I don't miss about ICE vehicles,”​

not your stated title.

The OP made some points that I disagreed with. For example gassing up and noisy engines (which I didn’t comment on).

Every thread in this group is fair game for member comments, so long as they are respectful. You’re certainly welcome in any forum here. Hopefully, nobody will call you names when you post a comment.

By the way, EV’s do make some odd sounds as they cruise the roads in forward and in reverse. Give me a good old ICE engine sound anytime. I’m not crazy about chirping noises.

 

[ideutsch]

Look again, the title of this thread is…

“Things I don't miss about ICE vehicles,”​

not your stated title.

The OP made some points that I disagreed with. For example gassing up and noisy engines (which I didn’t comment on).

Every thread in this group is fair game for member comments, so long as they are respectful. You’re certainly welcome in any forum here. Hopefully, nobody will call you names when you post a comment.

By the way, EV’s do make some odd sounds as they cruise the roads in forward and in reverse. Give me a good old ICE engine sound anytime. I’m not crazy about chirping noises.

You’re arguing over semantics with the thread title. I stand by that the thread was started to discuss what the OP and others appreciate about the EV over their prior ICE vehicles.

There’s no name calling or disrespect here. The point is that it’s frustrating as an owner that we can’t have a discussion based on ownership experiences without others jumping in to give their negative opinion on EVs that aren’t based on first hand experience with an EV. It’s not adding to the conversation in a positive way.

As to the noises, they’re required for hybrids and EVs because of how quiet the drivetrain is. Most are easy to disable if one wanted to accept the liability, though I wouldn’t. I admit that it would be nice to have more control over the volume and tone. As much as I enjoyed the beautiful exhaust notes of my past performance vehicles, I don’t appreciate hearing them at night when I’m trying to sleep. Pros and cons here.

 

[007IOU]

Leased my first EV in May of this year after 54 years of driving ICE vehicles of all manner and type. What I am discovering is that the EV driving dynamics are vastly different if one is paying attention. Instant, effortless, torque/acceleration, and vibration free motive force. One pedal driving is learned quickly and one can practice being as smooth as possible, much like a proper heel&toe downshift, that when excuted well is so gratifying.

I could go on but I guess my point is I don't really "miss" anything from an ICE vehicle because well, it's what they are and they've been refined just about as far as possible I believe. Never been better and I like them all.

A good EV is something else and I'm enjoying the drive. There's room for both.

Motor on!

 

[Husky]

I thought New Hampshire residents believed in “Live Free, Or Die?” That’s what General John Stark told me.

I'm not sure what that has to do with it, but... We obviously need to have taxes to pay for things, like any state.
It's true, you don't need to have car insurance here, and adults don't need to wear a helmet on a motorcycle or wear a seat belt in a car.
As we say here "Live Free and Die"

 

[Looney100]

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Batteries do more harm upfront – then less year after year​

With all that's required to mine and process minerals — from giant diesel trucks to fossil-fuel-powered refineries — EV battery production has a significant carbon footprint. As a result, building an electric vehicle does more damage to the climate than building a gas car does.

I AM LITERALLY LAUGHING OUT LOUD AS I TYPE THIS. This is what you've offered to rebut my statement?

Is a vehicle a single use disposable item? If not, why focus only on impact of manufacturing?

Did you bother to look at either of the sources you cited? They both conclude that an EV is better for the environment than an ICE vehicle. At the 4:00 mark of the podcast at your first link, they say that "On the whole, lithium is better ... any way you slice it."
Your second link shows the average EV at half the lifetime carbon footprint of a similar ICE vehicle.

You must be trying to make my point for me. My children can structure a more sensible argument than this.

 

[Sampras]

I hope the EV early adopters are paying their fare share of taxes for highway maintenance like ICE drivers are when they fuel up. I’m doing my best to keep the roads safe.

In Iowa, as well, registration fees for EVs are high, though I don't know off hand how much. I just know that my EV registration fee is double my wife's Sienna...

 

[Sampras]

I’m intrigued to learn that one person in this group has no concern about the value of his/her vehicle. You are a rare owner indeed. I envy you. Believe me, I was shocked to read the Forbes article that I posted above.

Unless your daily driver is a Ferrari or similar, we are ALL losing value on our vehicles whether they're EVs or not. For the vast majority of us, vehicles are NOT a good "investment" as you called them in an earlier post, which is a bummer for all of us...

 

[EdP]

Unless your daily driver is a Ferrari or similar, we are ALL losing value on our vehicles whether they're EVs or not. For the vast majority of us, vehicles are NOT a good "investment" as you called them in an earlier post, which is a bummer for all of us...

Depends on what you buy. In the mid 70s I bought a 1964 Pontiac Tempest for $150. Drove it for a year and the original owner missed it so much I sold it back to her for $150.
Drove it for a year for FREE. It was the best automotive investment I ever made. Still trying to top it, I'm sure I will.