Time to say goodbye...

[forzza1]

Dear All,
I have decided to trade my Genesis in for a 2011 BMW 750xi. Genesis has been a wonderful car for me and I believe it is one of the best in its class. I truly hope Hyundai will address most if not all concerns with the upcoming 2G.
During my Genesis ownership I have gradually started to miss the type of the ride my old BMW 750 was giving to me: supple, nimble and luxurious.
I came across this fantastic deal and I couldn't pass it. I only hope my new BMW will not spend too much time is service like the old one did
This forum has been outstanding every way and I am sad we have to part ways......but I will be back ! My wife entertains the idea of getting into the new Genesis once her car lease is up!

 

[GenesisCaptain]

There and back again...

How long and how many miles did you have your Genesis?

 

[forzza1]

1 year and a half/ 20K miles.

 

[Kaiserseal]

The reason I go with Asian cars is that if I owned a BMW or Audi, I would be stuck paying that premium for the rest of my life. They just feel better.

 

[Aquineas]

Good luck with the new ride!

 

[SmoovC]

Congrats on the new ride, and best of luck with it! Would love to hear a comaprison in the next few weeks.

 

[Potty_Pants]

lol whats there to say... i can look into my crystal ball...

tires feel like they are glued to the road,
leather lasts a lifetime.
Tech is fully thought out.
gas mileage is alittle less

yada yada yada.

id be more concerned with $$ for repairs down the road !

good luck with the BMW , 7 series not too shabby !

ppp

 

[Crusty Old Shellback]

This is the one thing that bugs me, not to say anything bad about your choice, but here lately, all I hear on the radio comericals is BMW this and BMW that. It seems that every comercial is BMW talking about how they did this first or that they want you to beleive that they are the only car ever to be selected as car of the year, etc.

Although I've never driven one, only rode in a 5 series, I've never been impresed with them, other than maybe the 7 series. To me, they are a over hyped status symbol. And if they are such great cars, why do you hear so many horror stories about maintance and repairs. My cousin was a dealer BMW mechanic and told me to stay away. Said they spend more time in the shop than on the road. A friend of mine who owns a 3 series said the same thing. And to even work on them, you have to have a bunch of speciality tools.

So are they really that great that they are worth all of those headaches? Is that why they come with free maintance? Because they need so much of it?

 

[EXBMWGUY]

This is the one thing that bugs me, not to say anything bad about your choice, but here lately, all I hear on the radio comericals is BMW this and BMW that. It seems that every comercial is BMW talking about how they did this first or that they want you to beleive that they are the only car ever to be selected as car of the year, etc.

Although I've never driven one, only rode in a 5 series, I've never been impresed with them, other than maybe the 7 series. To me, they are a over hyped status symbol. And if they are such great cars, why do you hear so many horror stories about maintance and repairs. My cousin was a dealer BMW mechanic and told me to stay away. Said they spend more time in the shop than on the road. A friend of mine who owns a 3 series said the same thing. And to even work on them, you have to have a bunch of speciality tools.

So are they really that great that they are worth all of those headaches? Is that why they come with free maintance? Because they need so much of it?

They are generally considered to be wonderful cars in terms of the driving experience (performance, handling, comfort, etc.) and, of course, styling and all the emotion associated with the brand. There is perhaps nothing in the sedan world like driving an M5 at the limit in places where you actually can (which is nowhere in the US). This all comes at a high price, including the total price of poor reliability. The added cost of the car isn't justified (IMHO). This is all subjective, of course, but for the foreseeable future, I am EXBMWGUY.

 

[Crusty Old Shellback]

It's my understanding that they were once the ultimate driving machine but that has all basically taken a back seat for more luxury.

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[GenesisCaptain]

So are they really that great that they are worth all of those headaches? Is that why they come with free maintance? Because they need so much of it?

Yes, they really are that great. And they are expensive to maintain. After 12 years, I have severe maintenance fatigue.

The standard industry criticism is that they are becoming too luxiourious at the expense of performance. However, most (if not all) of their cars will out-perform their counterparts on a track without much sacrifice in daily drivability. Cars that out-perform BMWs are often miserable to drive in day-to-day life.

They are also stupidly expensive to buy new, but again, they are not alone. MB and Audi are also crazy-expensive new.

 

[krazyfiend]

It's my understanding that they were once the ultimate driving machine but that has all basically taken a back seat for more luxury.

This statement definitely makes me miss and regret selling my alpine white e30 m3.. it only had 87k on the clock. I got a nice offer and even thinking about the money factor, I wish it was my weekend warrior and still in my garage. A labor of love through & through, but those were the days with very little electronic components, I could do quite a bit of labor myself and my bmw indie mechanic was top notch/appreciated my car (charging 45$/hr). Oh, the memories..

 

[Crusty Old Shellback]

Ok so doing a quick search I came up with the following.

'13 BMW M5 100K
0-60 4.5
1/4 12.5
G's .92

'13 R Spec 46K
0-60 5.1
1/4 13.7
g's .87


So is it really worth the extra 50K +?

 

[GenesisCaptain]

The R-Spec really compares to a 550i with the sport package. The M5 is an entirely different beast. The 550i M Sport list is about $70K. That is a very close comparison to the R-Spec in terms of performance and vehicle intent. Not worth the extra +$20K.

 

[Crusty Old Shellback]

OK thanks. Not being a BMW guy, I was just going by what I thought I knew. I hear everyone always talking about the M cars.

 

[Glashub]

Ok so doing a quick search I came up with the following.

'13 BMW M5 100K
0-60 4.5
1/4 12.5
G's .92

'13 R Spec 46K
0-60 5.1
1/4 13.7
g's .87


So is it really worth the extra 50K +?

Yes, when 50K is chump change and when someone values intangibles. My Genny is nowhere near as much fun to drive as my Acura SH-AWD but that doesn't show up in numbers or features comparos.

 

[SmoovC]

The R-Spec really compares to a 550i with the sport package. The M5 is an entirely different beast. The 550i M Sport list is about $70K. That is a very close comparison to the R-Spec in terms of performance and vehicle intent. Not worth the extra +$20K.

That is really a determination that the person writing the check makes for themselves. There is a level of refinement in other performance luxury sedans that the Genesis simply does not have. Granted, that "level of refinement" comes at a price.

Sure, looking down a spec sheet they look very similiar. However, as car guys we all know that it is about the driving experience and the "soul" of the car.

If one is perfectly happy in a Genesis and it suits their needs and wants, great! If one sees value in a higher level of refinement and is willing to drop the extra coin to get it, I totally understand that too.

 

[EXBMWGUY]

That is really a determination that the person writing the check makes for themselves. There is a level of refinement in other performance luxury sedans that the Genesis simply does not have. Granted, that "level of refinement" comes at a price.

Sure, looking down a spec sheet they look very similiar. However, as car guys we all know that it is about the driving experience and the "soul" of the car.

If one is perfectly happy in a Genesis and it suits their needs and wants, great! If one sees value in a higher level of refinement and is willing to drop the extra coin to get it, I totally understand that too.

^

 

[GenesisCaptain]

OK thanks. Not being a BMW guy, I was just going by what I thought I knew. I hear everyone always talking about the M cars.

This is just my car hobbyist side showing…

BMW’s M cars own enthusiast mindshare because they were the first. The originals were hand-built in BMW’s racing division factory. They were one notch down from actual race cars, and in many cases, the cars had esteemed racing careers. The M cars totally surprised the industry and especially M-B and Audi. M-B came out with their AMG version, and Audi responded with their RS cars. Cadillac eventually arrived with their V Spec cars, but they never really caught on. Everyone else was pretty late to the game, so BMW became the leader and still owns the mega sedan mystique.

No one has been able to beat BMW’s M cars (particularly the M3 and M5) in all-around performance. M-B tried very hard for many years, and it looks like they just gave up. Now they are just relegating themselves to raw horsepower and drag times. Their engines are monsters, and crush most cars in acceleration. Audi is getting close in performance, but their engines lack the beef to put up a serious fight.

The recent M cars have become way too technology-driven. But on the other hand, they are freakishly fast and use some amazing engine, transmission, and suspension technologies.

 

[EXBMWGUY]

This is just my car hobbyist side showing…

BMW’s M cars own enthusiast mindshare because they were the first. The originals were hand-built in BMW’s racing division factory. They were one notch down from actual race cars, and in many cases, the cars had esteemed racing careers. The M cars totally surprised the industry and especially M-B and Audi. M-B came out with their AMG version, and Audi responded with their RS cars. Cadillac eventually arrived with their V Spec cars, but they never really caught on. Everyone else was pretty late to the game, so BMW became the leader and still owns the mega sedan mystique.

No one has been able to beat BMW’s M cars (particularly the M3 and M5) in all-around performance. M-B tried very hard for many years, and it looks like they just gave up. Now they are just relegating themselves to raw horsepower and drag times. Their engines are monsters, and crush most cars in acceleration. Audi is getting close in performance, but their engines lack the beef to put up a serious fight.

The recent M cars have become way too technology-driven. But on the other hand, they are freakishly fast and use some amazing engine, transmission, and suspension technologies.

and are almost better than sex.