Tire spin?

[RonJ]

Have a few thousand clicks on my 2013 3.8 and was curious how much tire spin I'd get from a standing stop.

Complete stop on dry, clean asphalt, gear shift in "D", ESC on as usual, then I punched the pedal.

It gave a bit of a bog, just for a fraction of a second, and then started to pull. It pulls strong once some rpm is there but I was surprised, not even a chirp from the tires!!!

I tried it a few times, ESC on, ESC off, pedal right down hard through detent and not through detent before all the way down. Tried manual low, no difference. A very slight hesitation and then away it would go, but I never got a chirp from the tires. Actually surprised me. I should try it on gravel, see what happens.

Is traction control so quick and efficient it won't let the tires spin? Might be good in snow but should I be able to smoke those rear tires on dry road?

Thanks for any input ....... RonJ

 

[OneFunGenesis]

Hi Ron. You got it. The ESC is just that quick. On my 4.6 I can get the rears to smoke with the ESC off, but I cant get the back end out of line if I try :/

 

[shagnat]

Hi Ron. You got it. The ESC is just that quick. On my 4.6 I can get the rears to smoke with the ESC off, but I cant get the back end out of line if I try :/

I'm glad the ESC can work so quickly, but, why can't they get the dang throttle response to be much faster when trying to accelerate while traveling on the road?!?!

 

[yellow3.8track]

Twice I've had my coupe burn tires for some distance.

First time, I was pulling out on Rt.1 and going north. I had the front wheels turned to the left to jump out and cross the south bound lanes and the turn lane when I got an opening. I got the opening, popped the gas down and the clutch out and it spun the rear tires (actually drifting sideways across the 3 lanes till I got into the left hand north bound lane and let up on the gas. I kept expecting the traction control to kick in and stop the tire spin but it didn't.

Second time, I was waiting to cross the east bound lanes of Rt. 360 to get into the Lowe's parking lot. I got an opening and hit the gas with the front wheels again turned to the left. It spun the tires across one lane and into the second one before I got the wheel straightened out and let up on the gas and the wheelspin stopped.

It won't even spin the tires on a wet road. I haven't tried turning the front wheels to the right to see if it spins that way, too.

 

[shagnat]

My 4.6L has no problem burning tires on dry asphalt. However, I don't to that as it serves no useful purpose. Makes someone who does look like an irresponsible redneck.

 

[kf4zra]

if i goose it going around a turn, sometimes it is fun to pop the back around a little and steer into the skid.
I rent a lot of rental cars, and when I get a RWD version well...not saying i would ever try that in a rental car
I never had the desire to do burnouts or donuts.

I have had the skid control kick in when i floored it at 30-40mph going around a slowpoke coming out of the toll plaza before. this car gets to 80+ fast from a rolling start.

I have tried it a few times in my 2013 rspec, and right as the back is ready to break loose, nanny esc kicks in and ruins my fun. pressing the button doesnt really make any difference.
there is a fuse you can pull under the hood to truly shut the esc off, but i dont want to drive "spirited" enough to preplan wanting to completely disable the esc.

i guess its ok though, the tires on this beast are not cheap and i want to keep them as long as i can.

 

[Vermillion3]

My 4.6L has no problem burning tires on dry asphalt. However, I don't to that as it serves no useful purpose. Makes someone who does look like an irresponsible redneck.

The first part I'll agree with the latter not so much. Whats the point of having a V8 if you can't flaunt it every once in awhile? It sure is not for the fuel mileage. Besides its nothing but fun to chirp the tires off the line every now and then ...with all of the electronics now on this ride as well as others, gone are the days of "lighting them up" but still thousands of muscle cars can't be wrong. On the flip side, burning rubber does eat your hides up something fierce, and balding rear tires on a rear wheel drive car are not ideal.

 

[shagnat]

The first part I'll agree with the latter not so much. Whats the point of having a V8 if you can't flaunt it every once in awhile? It sure is not for the fuel mileage. Besides its nothing but fun to chirp the tires off the line every now and then ...with all of the electronics now on this ride as well as others, gone are the days of "lighting them up" but still thousands of muscle cars can't be wrong. On the flip side, burning rubber does eat your hides up something fierce, and balding rear tires on a rear wheel drive car are not ideal.

Excellent points. It would be disastrous (for our ego and thrill) if we couldn't "chirp" the tires on occasion. (I guess lol) I just really hate seeing folks burning rubber for NO real reason on frequent occasions. However, the occasional little chirp while showing off the muscle of our Gennys, well, that's another story.

 

[Cobra]

Same here i turned off ESP and push the pedal till the end there were no spin!!! I drove a BMW 528i and its 245 hp much less than my 3.8 v6 genny and when i pushed the pedal half way there were alot of spinning of rear wheels of that bmw! Cant understand why Genny cant do that even though it has more hp

 

[Vermillion3]

Same here i turned off ESP and push the pedal till the end there were no spin!!! I drove a BMW 528i and its 245 hp much less than my 3.8 v6 genny and when i pushed the pedal half way there were a lot of spinning of rear wheels of that bmw! Cant understand why Genny cant do that even though it has more hp

Our Genny's have many systems that all work to stop wheel spin; as from a manufactures stand point wheel spin is BAD full stop. FUN is not factored into the equation so the stability control, traction control, I think even the Genny has an electronic system that acts like a limited slip diff. rather than a mechanical one; all work together to halt any wheel spin whatsoever.

Mainly by reigning in the engine; which leads to situations where WOT sometimes is more like a driver pretty please request. I wonder if Hyundai has some old Airbus engineers working for them?

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[1FstYota]

Only time I got them to spin good and some sideways action is in the rain. On drive pavement on a 40 degree night it had some chrips in first but that was it.

 

[Cobra]

Our Genny's have many systems that all work to stop wheel spin; as from a manufactures stand point wheel spin is BAD full stop. FUN is not factored into the equation so the stability control, traction control, I think even the Genny has an electronic system that acts like a limited slip diff. rather than a mechanical one; all work together to halt any wheel spin whatsoever.

Mainly by reigning in the engine; which leads to situations where WOT sometimes is more like a driver pretty please request. I wonder if Hyundai has some old Airbus engineers working for them?

Then thats great, i prefer that safety than few seconds of having fun from tire spinning, proud to own my Genny

 

[1FstYota]

There is a few times to even the ESC turned off, I can feel it trying to cut power when I needed it, and that is not good when your trying to get out of the way of something.

 

[Vermillion3]

There is a few times to even the ESC turned off, I can feel it trying to cut power when I needed it, and that is not good when your trying to get out of the way of something.

What he said..

 

[Top Gear]

On mine the ETC/ESC is way over-compensating and dangerous, cutting the engine drastically if there is any significant spin or slide, and with a manual, that's exaggerated. With ETC/ESC both off (one button), which also gives me back full tune horsepower, I've never really done a true burnout, because the car just amazingly grips and takes off (that perfect balance thing), maybe with a slight burn for a few feet depending on the surface. Of course, I could force it, but the brakes and tires are expensive However, I frequently do power drifts from a stop or around corners, and it's easy to literally burn 2nd and sometimes chirp 3rd if I'm on it really hard and the pavement is the "loud" type. When I get ready to buy new tires, I'll probably go crazy with a few smoky burnouts, though

 

[Top Gear]

Our Genny's have many systems that all work to stop wheel spin; as from a manufactures stand point wheel spin is BAD full stop. FUN is not factored into the equation so the stability control, traction control, I think even the Genny has an electronic system that acts like a limited slip diff. rather than a mechanical one; all work together to halt any wheel spin whatsoever...

Right. The Sedan is just not a sports car in that way. It sounds like the stability control cannot be turned off (without a chip tune).

The Coupe allows both traction and stability to be turned off, 10-12s with one button, 13s I think with two buttons or a multi-setting, and the R-Spec/Tracks have the Torsen Limited Slip Diff, which is very much like an old school "Posi-Trac", so drifts and slides are easy. The ABS is always on, though. On mine, the drag of ETC/ESC being on also detunes the engine noticeably. So, while the car is plenty fast with it on, turning it off and driving hard allows for WOT, drifts, slides, etc.

 

[RonJ]

As OP of this thread, I find all the comments interesting.

To-day, I found myself on a freshly gravelled road, just packed with a roller by the looks of it, nice loose stuff.

Come to a stop, trans in "D", push the pedal right down. A very short wheel spin, the engine sounds like it's bogging, but the car accelerated smoothly and straight. I could hear a little bit of gravel coming off the rear tires. A little disappointing but safe.

Come to a stop, trans in "D", turned the ESC off. Push the pedal right down. The tires immediately broke free, spinning and throwing gravel like a good thing, tach was up around 5000 rpm. The rear end started to come around and I had to correct for it with steering before I did the sensible thing and took my foot out of it.

I tried both ways, ESC on and ESC off a couple of times with the same results. Even the wife commented on the difference.

My conclusion, on the 2013 3.8 Genny, the ESC will eliminate traction control and of course eliminate the Stability control when you push the button in and ESC OFF is lit up on your dash. From what I experienced, with 333HP and rear wheel drive, the ESC is essential to a safe drive, especially under poor traction conditions.

I had my Corvette at a road track for hot lapping once, I asked an instructor if I should turn the stability control off (called COMPETITIVE MODE) or leave it on. He suggested for my safety and the sake of the car, leave it on. I think I'll apply his suggestion to my new Genesis too!!

RonJ

 

[shagnat]

I read an online article about rear wheel horsepower on some comparable vehicles and the disparity on the Genesis (5.0L) was the greatest of all models compared. (claimed vs actual)

I wish I could remember where I read it, I'd love to post the link for all to read. Since Hyundai had to reimburse customers for exaggerating the mileage claims, perhaps the horsepower claim is inflated too. I cannot prove it, but, according to the article the Genesis was about 50 hp down from claimed.

I understand hp @ the crankshaft is higher than at the drive wheel(s), but, still it remains Hyundai is a little too positive on their cars in more ways than one. Having said all that, I still love my Genny and it just may be the last car I ever buy. (hopefully)

 

[1FstYota]

I'll dyno it if someone chip in a few bucks lol. Hope the ecu don't freak out when the front wheels aren't moving on a dyno and cut power big time.

Figure in an efficient 15 percent loss at 333hp the car should make 283whp give or take a few.

 

[Epiphany]

I read an online article about rear wheel horsepower on some comparable vehicles and the disparity on the Genesis (5.0L) was the greatest of all models compared. (claimed vs actual)

I wish I could remember where I read it, I'd love to post the link for all to read. Since Hyundai had to reimburse customers for exaggerating the mileage claims, perhaps the horsepower claim is inflated too. I cannot prove it, but, according to the article the Genesis was about 50 hp down from claimed.

I understand hp @ the crankshaft is higher than at the drive wheel(s), but, still it remains Hyundai is a little too positive on their cars in more ways than one. Having said all that, I still love my Genny and it just may be the last car I ever buy. (hopefully)

I believe you may be talking about this one: http://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/track-tests/2012-hyundai-genesis-50-r-spec-dyno-tested.html