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Titanium White H8 fog light bulbs after install

Now, if you stick to a 35w bulb, you should be fine and not melt anything since this is the same wattage as the OEM bulb, but keep in mind the lower the color temp, the hotter the bulbs get. It's amazing what only a couple hundred K's in color temp will change in temp.

I've never heard of this. Is it because the lower temperatures are less efficient and convert some of the energy to heat, and the higher K bulbs are more efficient, converting more of the energy to light? I've been looking at this conversion for a while now but want to do it right the first time. Honestly, PINGGOLF scared the hell out of me when he had that meltdown some months back.
 
What is your cool idea, please share:D Sounds like you have other plans for the bulbs vs using them for the fog lights. BTW, 8500K will be like you have your fogs lights off, they'll be so dim. I couldn't stand the 5500K that I bought which is why I bought HID @ 4300 like the stock headlights and now I can see:)

Now, if you stick to a 35w bulb, you should be fine and not melt anything since this is the same wattage as the OEM bulb, but keep in mind the lower the color temp, the hotter the bulbs get. It's amazing what only a couple hundred K's in color temp will change in temp.

interesting point... maybe 8500K is too dim? will post pics when i get them hooked up.
 
When he was talking about the housing melting, he was not talking about the fog light housing. The photos he posted were for his high beam housing, at least that is what the photos look like. The fog light housing does not look like that. (See below)

I replaced my OEM fog lamps with 35W YELLOW (2500K Color Temperature) H8 bulbs. Love them in yellow, as that is the color, fog lamps "should" be. There is no way to switch on the fog lamps without the headlights (low beam) being on. If I could switch th fog lamps on with just the parking/running lamps on, I would probably choose to have the fog lamps in the bright white.

As for melting, I just drove cross country to Roswell, and whenever I was on two lane roads, I kept my headlights and fog lamps on. 60+ miles on back roads between Mount Dora and Ocala FL, and again, 450 miles on US-380 between Denton TX and Roswell NM and both the H8 bulbs and the fog lamp housing is just fine. Lamps are aimed correctly and no plastic melting.
 
What brand did you get?

i believe they went with the Nokya brand:

[ame="http://www.amazon.com/Nokya-JDM-Yellow-Light-Bulbs/dp/B000U3XVSA/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=automotive&qid=1260314468&sr=1-3"]Amazon.com: Nokya H8 JDM Yellow Light Bulbs: Automotive[/ame]

I myself have ordered:

[ame="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002G9GL1U/ref=ox_ya_oh_product"]Amazon.com: GP Thunder Plasma-White H8, 8500K/35W Quartz Glass Bulbs (2 bulbs): Automotive[/ame]

because i found it for an incredible price. Retail on GP Thunder is around 20 as well.

Should be getting my lights by end of week. i'll have pics up next week. if these 8500K's are too dim as someone mentioned, I might go ahead and get 2500K deep yellow's.
 
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As ScottDK mentioned about Luminics and their 35/110W output. I found a 2500K for you if your Nokya's ever burn out.

[ame="http://www.amazon.com/Luminics-Yellow-Halogen-Headlight-Keychain/dp/B0013L3M1O/ref=wl_it_dp_o?ie=UTF8&coliid=I2K5T8HC4V5XW1&colid=1MI9ND7BJSKKY"]Amazon.com: Luminics JDM Yellow H8 Halogen 2500K Headlight Bulb with FREE LED Keychain: Automotive[/ame]

i should've tried the blue luminics, i'm so curious to see how bright 110W (as opposed to 35/55w) is :confused:
 
As ScottDK mentioned about Luminics and their 35/110W output. I found a 2500K for you if your Nokya's ever burn out.

Amazon.com: Luminics JDM Yellow H8 Halogen 2500K Headlight Bulb with FREE LED Keychain: Automotive

i should've tried the blue luminics, i'm so curious to see how bright 110W (as opposed to 35/55w) is :confused:

Heck, for the price, you might want to consider HID's.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qW5InxqLvEw"]YouTube- HID H8 foglight conversion 2009 Hyundai Genesis 4300K[/ame]


http://www.diodedynamics.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=73&products_id=113
 

There is some brutal glare in those HID fogs, which is why you aren't ever supposed to put HID's in halogen reflector housings.

http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/bulbs/Hid/conversions/conversions.html

"The only safe and legitimate HID retrofit is one that replaces the entire headlamp—that is lens, reflector, bulb...the whole system—with optics designed for HID usage."
 
There is some brutal glare in those HID fogs, which is why you aren't ever supposed to put HID's in halogen reflector housings.

http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/bulbs/Hid/conversions/conversions.html

"The only safe and legitimate HID retrofit is one that replaces the entire headlamp—that is lens, reflector, bulb...the whole system—with optics designed for HID usage."

So does anyone have HID recommendations for fogs and High Beams which replace the whole system? Ideally something matching stock color
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So does anyone have HID recommendations for fogs and High Beams which replace the whole system? Ideally something matching stock color

I'm familiar with Disasters link, and I've read it many times in the last year and a half.

Regarding my fogs.....I have 4300K HID's for the fogs, so they match the factory HID head lights.

Since install I have only been flashed by another driver once. That's it. With that said, I would disagree that they are all glare.
 
I'm familiar with Disasters link, and I've read it many times in the last year and a half.

Regarding my fogs.....I have 4300K HID's for the fogs, so they match the factory HID head lights.

Since install I have only been flashed by another driver once. That's it. With that said, I would disagree that they are all glare.

Thanks Scottdk. Are you running these on your fogs? So what are you running for your high-beams?

Also, are you one of the folks that suspects that the after-market HIDs are affecting the TPMS sensor?
 
I like the yellow look in the fogs. I have the 2500K Kit in my fogs.

They look great, there BRIGHT and I have not been flashed since I've had them in.

I think the WORLD has gotten over the whole glare issue. Especially since all the ricers broke the mold for guys like us. However, there are still a few out there who consistently harp on how bad it is.

Around my town, all the high school kids in their dads "hand-me-down" jacked up 4-wheel-drives use the HID's in the headlights as well as the fogs...talk about BLINDING...however, thats why there are lines on the roads. If you are blinded by the lights...look at the line as they pass.

We all know the cops wont do anything about it (just like the tinting issue, or the loud exhaust)...nor the grandma who has no business driving at night. HA! That is...unless you piss them off in other ways like: speeding, driving recklessly, running lights. It is THAT POINT that they issue you a citation for your headlights, sound systems, exhaust, or your tint job. Those are practically words out of the Police Chiefs mouth...who happens to be my next door neighbor. Anywho, that's my 2 Cents!

In fact...look at my signature picture. The house just to the left of the UGLY red one is Tom, the chief. We live in the city limits and he gave me permission to kill some armadillo's with my shotgun...too cool. I killed 3 by the way :)
 
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Thanks Scottdk. Are you running these on your fogs? So what are you running for your high-beams?

Also, are you one of the folks that suspects that the after-market HIDs are affecting the TPMS sensor?

I have "precision" HID from Diodedynamics.com Digital ballasts and super slim. Factory 4300K.

I do not have any issues with my TPMS light/sensor. It's only turned on once and it's because I had a low tire. An HID kit may affect sensors and electronics on cars if the HID kit analog and not digital, but most people buy a digital kit.
 
I'm familiar with Disasters link, and I've read it many times in the last year and a half.

Regarding my fogs.....I have 4300K HID's for the fogs, so they match the factory HID head lights.

Since install I have only been flashed by another driver once. That's it. With that said, I would disagree that they are all glare.

I can see the glare in your posted video...especially when you go off angle the the fogs still glare, compared to the headlights.

Just because you have only been flashed once, doesn't mean you aren't causing issues for other drivers. I gave up flashing people because that only seems to cause them to flip their high beams at me, to show they are already on low, which blinds me worse. Glare is much worse for drivers with glasses, ocular surgery, people with cataracts (anyone who has any thing that fractures light) and older drivers (who have longer recovery times.)

I tend to defer to the experts on such matters. To ignore them requires serious rationalization. The best experts, besides Daniel Stern I linked to, are the folks at the Candlepower Automotive forums. These are industry lighting experts. You can find lots of threads discussing why HID's in reflective housings are bad...including fog housings, or sign up and post your own question.

http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=87

Here is a summary of the reasons you should not put HID's in your lights, including your fog lights.

1. It is illegal and you could get a ticket.
2. It hurts other driver's night vision and could cause them to get in an accident.
3. It does not improve your visibility because the reflective halogen housings were not designed for HID's arc location and therefore do not focus the HID light properly, causing hot spots. These close hot spots cause your eyes to lose their dark adaption and constrict your pupils such that you see less in the darker areas, and further away. You actually lose distance and side vision.
4. To counter the inevitable scatter, from putting HID's in halogen housings some people will aim their lights lower. This exacerbates the loss of distance vision even more.
5. HIR halogen lights are available in many applications. HIR's are 80-110% brighter than standard halogens and don't cause any of the issues that HID's do because they put the filament in the correct location (actually, some of them align the filament even more precisely which is part of the reason for their improvement.)

Here is Daniel Stern's write up on fog lamps.
http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/lights/fog_lamps/fog_lamps.html

"Good (and legal) fog lamps produce white or Selective Yellow light, and use tungsten-halogen bulbs. Xenon or HID bulbs are inherently unsuitable for use in fog lamps, and blue or other-colored lights are also the wrong choice.

The fog lamps' job is to show you the edges of the road, the lane markings, and the immediate foreground. When used in combination with the headlamps, good fog lamps weight the overall beam pattern towards the foreground so that even though there may be a relatively high level of upward stray light from the headlamps causing glareback from the fog or falling rain or snow, there will be more foreground light than usual without a corresponding increase in upward stray light, giving back some of the vision you lose to precipitation.

When used without headlamps in conditions of extremely poor visibility due to snow, fog or heavy rain, good fog lamps light the foreground and the road edges only, so you can see your way safely at reduced speeds.

In clear conditions, more foreground light is not a good thing, it's a bad thing. Some foreground light is necessary so you can use your peripheral vision to see where you are relative to the road edges, the lane markings and that pothole 10 feet in front of your left wheels. But foreground light is far less safety-critical than light cast well down the road into the distance, because at any significant speed (much above 30 mph), what's in the foreground is too close for you to do much about. If you increase the foreground light, your pupils react to the bright, wide pool of light by constricting, which in turn substantially reduces your distance vision—especially since there's no increase in down-the-road distance light to go along with the increased foreground light. It's insidious, because high levels of foreground light give the illusion, the subjective impression, of comfort and security and "good lighting"."


So why do people do it?

1. It is cool to have new technology in your car...the same technology that is in BMW's and Mercedes.
2. It is cheap. Kits are as low as $30.
3. It is easy. Just a few plugs and wire hookups and you are good to go.
4. People are ignorant of the consequences of their actions to themselves and others.
5. People think HID's actually help them see better at night because it looks so much brighter in front of their cars. They don't realize how they have compromized their vision, in the distance and in the darker areas of the poor beam spill.
6. People love to "upgrade" their cars, and HID's are a cheap "upgrade."

I leave you with Daniel Stern's final words on the matter.

"The only safe and legitimate HID retrofit is one that replaces the entire headlamp—that is lens, reflector, bulb...the whole system—with optics designed for HID usage. In the aftermarket, it is possible to get clever with the growing number of available products, such as Hella's modular projectors available in HID or halogen, and fabricate your own brackets and bezels, or to modify an original-equipment halogen headlamp housing to contain optical "guts" designed for HID usage (though it should be noted that "cooking" the lens off a composite headlamp, installing HID optics and re-sealing the lens creates major problems of its own, and does not result in a legal headlamp).

Please note: From time to time, I am asked to comment on what are marketed as "new developments" in HID kits, and those asking sometimes point out to me that these "new developments" might render this article out-of-date, since the copyright date on the article is older than the date of these "new developments". Please understand, marketeers will always be coming up with dazzling new pseudoscience, tempting new hype and sneaky new ways of trying to convince you to buy their stuff. It's what they do. This article will never go out of date, because the problems with HID kits are conceptual problems, not problems of implementation. Therefore, they cannot be overcome by additional research and development, any more than someone could develop a way for you to put on somebody else's eyeglasses and see correctly."
 
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Disaster,

Thanks so much for putting that info here.
I've learned something and appreciate you taking the time and posting it here.

Very interesting read for sure...

Regards,
 
There is some brutal glare in those HID fogs, which is why you aren't ever supposed to put HID's in halogen reflector housings.

http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/bulbs/Hid/conversions/conversions.html

"The only safe and legitimate HID retrofit is one that replaces the entire headlamp—that is lens, reflector, bulb...the whole system—with optics designed for HID usage."

Disaster - What do you think about HID's in a halogen housing that is OEM? I know you know your lighting, and many cars are factory equipped with HID's in a halogen housing such as some Volvo, Saab etc.? I wish the Genesis had projector fogs like my bro's subaru does......

I'll admit that I don't think I'd do HID's in the fogs again (unless projector lens), but I'll wait for a bulb or ballast to fail (unlikely) and I'll put halogen bulbs back in.
 
Just an update with this subject.

I have removed the HID kit from the fog lights and place the factory bulbs back in the car.

The HID fogs wasn't a good idea, and I wouldn't do it again. They project waaayyy too much light forward, which as Disaster mentioned is NOT where fogs should be throwing light. I'm much happier with the OEM bulbs back in. I gave the HID kit to my friend for free for his girlfriends new loaded Kia Sorenta SX which has the factory projector headlights, just like my Sonata and the Genesis. In return he gave me a receiver and speaker system for my garage:D
 
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