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To those thinking of purchasing a Genesis:Hyundai doesn't care to replace LEMONS

You sound like a troll to me just by your title. Lexus? Ford? 17,000 miles on the car and you only have five posts? Three different dealers? If I had all those things wrong with my car I would have been on this website six months ago.
 
Here's a list of things I have had wrong with my '09 V8 Genesis Sedan in just the first 17,000 miles. I have the technology package, so some of this stuff only has to do with that package.

1. Radio and steering wheel buttons locked up for several days, and continue to do so intermittently.
2. Car would frequently not allow me to take it out of park.
3. Rear view cam stopped working.
4. Stereo sound stops coming from speakers intermittently, sometimes for seconds, sometimes for days.
5. Brake lights go out.
6. Microphone for voice controls and phone bluetooth stops working.
7. Contacts continue to be completely deleted from my car's phone book for no reason, and it doesn't allow me to add new ones. Every once in a while they all show back up for a day or two.
8. Steering wheel will often not come back into place after restarting the car, and I have to manually reach up and put the steering wheel back where I want it.
9. Cruise control will often not engage after I turn it on and press set, and I have to turn it back off, wait a minute, then turn it back on and try again. It has always worked so far on the 2nd try.
10. Air quality control doesn't seem to work all that well anymore, since sometimes I can be sitting behind a beater pumping my car full of noxious fumes and it doesn't engage the recirc. automatically, other times it comes on and there are no other cars around me, other times it works like it should... almost like it's on random.

Things they have been able to fix after probably nearly a dozen times between 3 different dealerships: the brake lights and the gearshift stuck in park.

I don't really think you need more reasons than this not to buy a Genesis. The thing is, if they would just replace this obvious lemon, they would surely have me on here writing great things about Hyundai, but as it stands, I can't even get anyone in charge at Hyundai headquarters to return my calls, so this is my last resort.

Sad to hear of the issues you are having.

If you feel that you have a 'lemon', which is covered by your states lemon law, then proceed with the state authorites and at the same time write John Krafcik, Hyundai Motors America President or CEO, a detailed letter and have it delivered registered-return receipt mail. At the same time send it to your states Consumer Protection Agency, requesting intervention. Put into that letter any 'mediator' notations that are within your purchase contract, and that if Hyundai does not comply with the timeline of the contract, which also may be mirrored by your state lemon law, by the way, that you will proceed without Hyundai's meaningful and cooperative participation - as you would then view their inactivity-lack of response as a (material?) breach of contract.

Wait several weeks and if you don't hear anything meaningful from them, then write Krafcik a second letter, which is a "demand" letter, stating what you want from Hyundai ($ or new car), as in if they don't meet your demand, you will ask the court to order that specific damage/remediation - stating you will wait ten business days, and again sent registered return receipt. Wait ten business days and then proceed as follows, but obviously you need the legal support of your states lemon law behind you.

At a pretty reasonable cost you can go to your local municipal court and file in civil court, and at the same time, subpoena duces tecum Hyundai, any relevant employees to come to court as witness (hostile or not), and even more importantly and valuable, any and all records related to the histories of your model with any and all of the above issues, that Hyundai has America/world wide. Materials production for a corporation is quite costly, all by itself. In fact the materials production (discovery) would cost Hyundai many, many times more then the value of vehicle itself, and the case would just be getting started for them.

Obviously, to win, you need to demonstrate that:

1.your vehicle has met and does meet the state lemon law criteria

2. you have provided Hyundai sufficient 'time' to respond pursuant to the purchase contract/applicable state law, the contract of which you signed when buying the car - some contracts call for a "mediator", but mediation has been ruled on federally, in the sense that having mediation in a contract - where it once prevented an individual from going to court - no longer prevents an individual from going to court.

3. obviously all your paper records, dates, contact (Hyundai) staff, etc.

4. the copies of materials you'll have to digest that Hyundai sends you- you'll likely have to fight for their records but you will prevail with your subpoena being able to offer reasonable detail to their importance to your case, to the judge.

What a pain in the butt to have to go to so much work to have a satisfactory solution.

Good luck with a more cooperative and simple method.
 
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I don't really think you need more reasons than this not to buy a Genesis. The thing is, if they would just replace this obvious lemon, they would surely have me on here writing great things about Hyundai, but as it stands, I can't even get anyone in charge at Hyundai headquarters to return my calls, so this is my last resort.

If what you say is true, it is unfortunate and hopefully Hyundai will take steps to make things right.

But the truth of the matter is, no automaker is going to make it easy when it comes to replacing a "lemon"; not even the luxury makes (I'm saying this as someone who was privy to certain info.).

And as is always the case, it's better not to make blanket statements as things can vary case to case.

As sarge has stated in another thread...

The Genesis is a fine car. Considering the price, it is a good value as well. I have experience with exactly 4 Genesis' - mine, my boss's, and a co-workers. Mine is an absolute lemon. My boss's first was a lemon. My co-workers seems to be perfect. Hyundai replaced my boss's lemon expeditiously, and he replaced it with a 2010 model. Hyundai has been maddenly bad at taking care of my issues. That's the truth, and from my perspective the customer anecdotes on here, good and bad, seem quite plausable.

Hyundai did take care of the issue w/ the lemon Genesis that his boss had, whereas he hasn't nearly been fortunate.
 
Re: Hold up, chirojdoc

No offense, but there's something about the substance and tone of your post that rings entirely false [e.g., cuz all they care about is passing along their products at the highest price possible without a single car[e] as to whether those products are faulty or not.] That's absurd. They've given us quite a car at a good price but, admittedly, every maker puts out a few lemons. It happens, and we all know that.

However, you've itemized at least 10 separate issues with your car.

You claim to have used three different dealers.

None of them, you say, have satisfied you and neither has Hyundai.

But you tell us nothing about where you live, the three specific dealers, or your attempts to utilize your state's lemon law. What's up with that?

Have you or have you not tried to utilize your local lemon law? If not, why not? If so, to what effect?

I can't help but wonder what the heck did you do to that car in the 6000 miles you first put on it? We live in a bitch-and-moan world and I'm weary of the explosion of folks who expect to experience a perfectly uneventful world where everything works "just so" and then blink when they cause a problem with their car.

I certainly apologize if this doesn't apply to you but you're on this message board and being quite selective with your complaint. Details, please.


I live in Savannah, GA and work in Savannah and Brunswick GA. I am a local chiropractor, and own a physical therapy center, a gym, and two chiropractic clinics. I have had my car to Hilton Head Hyundai, Carl Gregory Hyundai of Brunswick, and Savannah Hyundai. All three of them have good customer service, and have done what they could to repair this car, but with every repair attempt, more problems sprout up... not saying from the repairs themselves, and most of the original problems have not gone away. To the others flaming me for not posting earlier or wondering why I am only on here now after months and months of problems... It's the fact that this car does have great reviews and I loved the car when I first got it, that I did not want to trash talk the car, and I still am not, and I'm sorry if you get that impression. I am bad talking Hyundai the company. I know this is a good car, just not mine, and would love to be put in a non-lemon Genesis. I had no problem with taking my car in to get it fixed under warranty at no cost to me.... I only started having a problem with it when the visits to the service departments got to be so frequent that everyone in the dealerships including in the service department and in management knew my name and car by heart. I feel like I've been living at the service department. I have not taken it back in recently for all the problems I am having, because I'm tired of being in service and just want Hyundai to take this problem off my hands. I have not written a certified letter yet, I will try to find the time to do that tomorrow, as I have to collect all the service notes for it. I have had a case open with hyundai for three weeks now, which apparently doesn't do any good, as it appears they just wait for you to go away. I never said I was unable to get this replaced with an attorney through lemon law proceedings, my point is, why should I have to. Hyundai does not want to replace their bad cars. Of course they will if the law makes them. But now I will have to share a third of my settlement with the attorney, which I would probably be better off trading the car in and just taking what the dealership gives me for it.
 
Outstanding follow-up. Thanks.
 
Now my Nav is only intermittently accepting addresses for navigation... I don't know how long it would have been doing it, cuz I rarely use my nav for directions. I imagine this is related to the same recent issue of my phone book contacts disappearing. I wonder if it has something to do with a bad hard drive or something.
 
Re: Hold up, chirojdoc

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But now I will have to share a third of my settlement with the attorney, which I would probably be better off trading the car in and just taking what the dealership gives me for it.

chiro,

If Hyundai/your state does not follow through with the lemon law, providing you are clearly covered by it with your set of circumstances, then:

- just consult with an attorney after you have researched the issues and applicable laws, just to assertain your thoughts on the law and it's boundaries, asking specific questions as you may find necessary, and the paid consult will be worth the fee you pay. Do not accept generalizations or vague anwers, nor an attorneys wandering off topic and still expecting to be paid for the consult.

- use the courts yourself, filing is a relatively cheap and simple process

- leave out the attorneys, you should not need them given reasonable preparation

- organizing your 'case' should be pretty straight forward

- winning as well

And it will also be an invaluable learning lesson on how to use our judicial system here in the US.

Good luck no matter the road you take with this set of issues.
 
Nuff-Said on this isolated issue.
 
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FWIW, I passed your contact info onto my contacts at Hyundai who are going to push the Consumer Affairs group to handle it properly and efficiently.
 
Re: Hold up, chirojdoc

I live in Savannah, GA and work in Savannah and Brunswick GA. I am a local chiropractor, and own a physical therapy center, a gym, and two chiropractic clinics. I have had my car to Hilton Head Hyundai, Carl Gregory Hyundai of Brunswick, and Savannah Hyundai. All three of them have good customer service, and have done what they could to repair this car, but with every repair attempt, more problems sprout up... not saying from the repairs themselves, and most of the original problems have not gone away. To the others flaming me for not posting earlier or wondering why I am only on here now after months and months of problems... It's the fact that this car does have great reviews and I loved the car when I first got it, that I did not want to trash talk the car, and I still am not, and I'm sorry if you get that impression. I am bad talking Hyundai the company. I know this is a good car, just not mine, and would love to be put in a non-lemon Genesis. I had no problem with taking my car in to get it fixed under warranty at no cost to me.... I only started having a problem with it when the visits to the service departments got to be so frequent that everyone in the dealerships including in the service department and in management knew my name and car by heart. I feel like I've been living at the service department. I have not taken it back in recently for all the problems I am having, because I'm tired of being in service and just want Hyundai to take this problem off my hands. I have not written a certified letter yet, I will try to find the time to do that tomorrow, as I have to collect all the service notes for it. I have had a case open with hyundai for three weeks now, which apparently doesn't do any good, as it appears they just wait for you to go away. I never said I was unable to get this replaced with an attorney through lemon law proceedings, my point is, why should I have to. Hyundai does not want to replace their bad cars. Of course they will if the law makes them. But now I will have to share a third of my settlement with the attorney, which I would probably be better off trading the car in and just taking what the dealership gives me for it.

As I'm having a problem with the Lexicon system on my '09, I believed the original post you posted.
The Consumer Affairs personnel were polite and courteous, but not really helpful in solving the damn problem.
I've also had a case open with Consumer Affairs after the dealership refused to take further action in solving my issue.

Case was open for about 3 weeks with no further action until I got fed up and filed an official complaint through BBB.org.
Filing a complaint over the phone was VERY easy, and after I returned the official CCF(Customer Complaint Form) through mail, my case was officially open.
Approximately 3 hours after I received a confirmation from BBB stating that my case if officially open, I got a phone call from a Hyundai rep saying that they'll send out a field engineer along with the XM rep to investigate the problem on my car.

I dropped off my car at the dealership yesterday. Called the dealership this morning for an update and they said that they replaced the head unit(this is a first HU replacement for my car), and also the amplifier.
Still having problem with the XM radio.
At this point, I'm really having a hard time believing how difficult it is to troubleshoot this issue.
I'm not saying that the engineers are incompetent or anything. It's just that the complexity of the whole Lexicon system is overwhelming.
I mean, a simple XM reception can't be fixed by replacing the WHOLE system?
My wild guess, as an automotive engineer myself, is that the mismatch(serial number, authentication code, ID, whatever) between the HU and the amplifier is somehow causing the system to reject the signal. :confused:

I'm driving a rental at this moment and it makes me miss my Genesis that much more.
I guess this is what you get for getting the first MY.
Such a shame that otherwise an excellent car is going through such stupid issues.

Dan
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Nuff-Said on this isolated issue.

Speak for yourself, my friend.
Issues with the Lexicon system is quite common than you might think.

Dan
 
Re: Hold up, chirojdoc

I'm driving a rental at this moment and it makes me miss my Genesis that much more.
I guess this is what you get for getting the first MY.
Such a shame that otherwise an excellent car is going through such stupid issues.

Dan

I was under the information that Hyundai provided a loaner if then needed to keep your car for an extended period?
 
Loaners are not covered per say under warranty, but the dealership can usually get one approved through Hyundai for the duration of the repairs as a matter of customer service. Hyundai is good at doing that, but I certainly didn't pay $40,000 to drive around in a loaner all the time, as I'm sure neither did he.
 
I certainly didn't pay $40,000 to drive around in a loaner all the time, as I'm sure neither did he.

Correct, certainly not.

However, I feel a reasonable loaner is better than a reasonable rental. With any persistant Hx of vehicle issues, I'd be going after that loaner. My local dealerships (2) both say they provide loaners for anything past a day, or for persistent/repetitive issues, or out or area 25? (35?) miles or greater.
 
Correct, certainly not.

However, I feel a reasonable loaner is better than a reasonable rental. With any persistant Hx of vehicle issues, I'd be going after that loaner. My local dealerships (2) both say they provide loaners for anything past a day, or for persistent/repetitive issues, or out or area 25? (35?) miles or greater.

I agree. I was expecting a loaner from the dealership as well.
Was kinda bummed when they took me to the Enterprise rental office next door.

At first, the service manager tried to give me a loaner, but when he and I approached the business manager(who acted like my best friend when I was purchasing the Genny, btw) to ask for a loaner, he didn't even look at me when they were discussing about the loaner.
Didn't feel that great.

Anyway, I do have a transportation for now, so I can't complain.
I hope they really get to the bottom of this issue and end this headache for good.

Dan
 
Re: Hold up, chirojdoc

I was under the information that Hyundai provided a loaner if then needed to keep your car for an extended period?

Must be up to the dealership.

My '09 has been serviced at two different dealerships a total of 11 times now - all but once for DIS issues. The lone exception was for a failed tilt/telescope limit switch.

At Lee Hyundai (Fayetteville, NC), I always got the same 3.8 with the touchscreen nav as a loaner. A step down, but not a big one. My boss/friend also owned a Genesis that was eventually bought back for a TPMS failure. He and I traded that loaner for a total of over 4000 miles. For a little over a week, he was the official driver and I rode with him to and from work because Lee Hyundai didn't have another loaner for me.

At Johnson Hyundai (Cary, NC), I got a Genesis for the loaner, and the dealership delivered my car back to me in Fayetteville and picked up the loaner so I didn't have to make the drive.

When the car went to Lee Hyundai for the tilt/telescope switch replacement, the (new) service manager originally said that he wouldn't be able to provide a loaner. I complained, and he found a Sonata.
 
posts like this is what makes me feel like I should just keep my Lexus
 
Trust me - Hyundai corporate does not give a shi* about your problem. The reps are there to stonewall you - not help.


I have actually been calling that number, for the past few weeks I have been calling and talking to representatives, and in the meantime, more and more stuff keeps going wrong with my car... it seems like it's just falling apart. I have a case open with them and they keep saying they have escalated my case and someone should contact me in 2-3 business days, except nobody ever calls, and every time I call to check on the case, that's all they keep telling me. I feel like I'm just being dragged along and kicked off their heels.
 
To me you sound like the troll - always have.

You sound like a troll to me just by your title. Lexus? Ford? 17,000 miles on the car and you only have five posts? Three different dealers? If I had all those things wrong with my car I would have been on this website six months ago.
 
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