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**UPDATE 2/01/10** Replacement Tires...here is some info.

Re: Replacement Tires...here is some info.

Has anyone seen or know anyone that has put on Pierlli (sp) PZero's? My local guy said they are having a pretty good sale on them.
 
Re: Replacement Tires...here is some info.

Has anyone seen or know anyone that has put on Pierlli (sp) PZero's? My local guy said they are having a pretty good sale on them.

I've read many review on these tires, and they seem to have excellent reviews. I would consider these, but they are very expensive compared to others similar. Good tire though.
 
Re: Replacement Tires...here is some info.

The Pirelli PZero is a family of different tires. If you are referring to the Pzero, it is the ultra high performance summer tire at the top of the range. Very sporty for steering and high wet/dry grip. It is not a long wearing tire as it is oriented to the sports end of the spectrum. For an all season tire, the best fitment will be the PZero Nero All Season. Still an ultra high performance tire, but with all season properties to handle some snow and cold temps and much better wear. Both are OE fitments on a wide range of vehicles in EU and USA. The 235/50R18 is actually an OE tire on the Mustang GT. The real performance differences in many of the tires I see mentioned on this forum are huge when you test for wet/dry stopping distances and handling at the limit. Yes, you are not at the limit in day to day driving, but when you make a panic stop in the wet, you want the best tire under your car, not necessarily the cheapest.
 
Re: Replacement Tires...here is some info.

The Pirelli PZero is a family of different tires. If you are referring to the Pzero, it is the ultra high performance summer tire at the top of the range.

Yes, I was:)
 
Re: Replacement Tires...here is some info.

OK...Ive done some more research.

The thumbnail provided is a screen shot of a very popular consumer opinion based, rating company.

When you open the attachment you can zoom in with a click of the mouse.

The tire that I am most interested in is the Falken Ziex ZE912.

At a "plus zero" size of 245/45/18 you can get this tire for $145 from http://www.discounttiredirect.com/direct/findTireDetail.do?fcpr=&counter=2&ar=45&fcsr=&fcs=false&rd=18&cs=245&ra=searchTiresByVehicleAndSize.do&yr=2009&pc=18153&fclr=&vid=014413&fcb=&sw=false&fsv=false.

Also, the Falken Ziex 512 is in my mix as well...at a dollar cheaper.

Well, after the little bit of research I have done and the measly little bonus check I get on Friday, I plan on either ordering the 912's in a 245/45/18, or the 512's in a 255/45/18.

With any PERFORMANCE All-Season tire, tread life will be limited and I expect...with a LIGHTER foot, that these tires will last about 25K.

Just a heads up...when my new tires come in, I will make a High-Def video on the destruction of the almighty DUNLOPS. I will remove the ECS fuse, which will completely disable the Stability Control system, and have a blast in a wide open parking lot! Maybe I will learn how to drift..HA:o
 

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Re: **UPDATE 12/16/09**Replacement Tires...here is some info.

thanks pingger
 
Re: **UPDATE 12/16/09**Replacement Tires...here is some info.

re PZero Nero.

I had a set on my Audi A4 (235/45/17). They were great tires for the first 20K miles, then got a bit noisy. The Nero's had very good grip wet or dry and the ride was nice. I replaced them at about 30K miles for a set of Bridgestone RE-960. The Bridgestones were the favorite of all my tires. Unfortunately they do not come in our size.
 
Re: **UPDATE 12/16/09**Replacement Tires...here is some info.

After reading all of the info on suspension and tire sizes with speedometer error. I am thinking to change my 235/50-18 for 225/60-18. Would they give a softer ride? Also if I am reading the tire size chart correctly would they give a more correct speedometer reading?
Rich
 
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Re: **UPDATE 12/16/09**Replacement Tires...here is some info.

After reading all of the info on suspension and tire sizes with speedometer error. I am thinking to change my 235/50-18 for 225/60-18. Would they give a softer ride? Also if I am reading the tire size chart correctly would they give a more correct speedometer reading?
Rich

Don't know why I never thought of checking that size (225/60-18) but I just checked it in TireRack.com and found that the number of revs per mile is the same as the 235/55-18. You should not have any problems with either of those two sizes.

The 60 series won"t necessarly give you a better ride vice the 55 series because, although the sidewall is 60% (or 55%) of the tread width, the distance is still the same from the rim to the tread. That is why the revs per mile are almost the same on those two (60 series and 55 series) tire sizes. The 50 series (stock size) has less distance from the rim to the tread, so comparing the same brand/model but different sizes, the 60 series and 55 series listed above "should" have a better ride than the stock 50 series, plus give more accurate speedo reading.

Note that grip on a corner or stop will not be as good with the 225 as with the 235, comparing the same brand/model tire.
 
Re: **UPDATE 12/16/09**Replacement Tires...here is some info.

After reading all of the info on suspension and tire sizes with speedometer error. I am thinking to change my 235/50-18 for 225/60-18. Would they give a softer ride? Also if I am reading the tire size chart correctly would they give a more correct speedometer reading?
Rich

There are plenty of stories of guys ripping up fender wells or shredding tires that are too big for their cars, so be careful when upsizing. The safest method is to ensure the outer diameter isn't larger...but width is just as important, and going smaller can also be a problem (brake interference.)

When comparing tires and wheels you want to look at diameter and offset. Here are a few good guides.

The first one yields a matrix of tires that aren't bigger than the originals.

http://ejelta.com/tiresize/index.html?ws17=1&tiresize=235/50-18&minwidth=&maxwidth=&minratio=&maxratio=&minwheel=&maxwheel=&maxdelta=2

The second is a tire and rim size calculator that includes all the important metrics.

http://www.rims-n-tires.com/rt_specs.jsp

and finally, a real simple one that just compares diameter and revs per mile.

http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html

Using the last one, yields 740 revs per mile with the stock 27.3" dia tires and 704 revs per mile for the 28.6" 225/60 18's. That is about a 5% difference.

There is always a risk the larger diameter tires might interfere with the wheel well, but going narrower helps. I suspect you won't have any issues with the extra 5/8's of an inch of radius.

As far as ride comfort is concerned the most important factor is sidewall stiffness. All things being equal, a larger diameter tire will have a less stiff sidewall, but tires themselves vary tremendously. For example, high performance tires will have stiffer sidewalls than standard tires. But even with one type of tire...like high performance, there is variation. Some high performance tires have much stiffer sidewalls than others.

If you really wanted to make a difference in ride you could go down in wheel size. The 17" wheels will yield taller sidewalls, and, all things being equal, a softer ride. I put 215/60 17's on, for winter tires, and the ride is noticeably less jarring than the stock 235/50 18's. Part of this is the size change and part of this is going from stiff performance tires to softer winter tires (Michelin X-Ice.) You will trade a bit off in performance. Despite Michelin X-Ice being one of the better performing winter tires, they are noticeably more squirrelly on dry pavement when pushing the car to it's drifting limits. Of course, if you aren't the type, like me, who likes to occasionally push the car to the limits, you won't even notice.
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Re: **UPDATE 12/16/09**Replacement Tires...here is some info.

I switched from 18 to 17 inch and went to series 60 from 55 and softer tires. Not enough change for all the effort I do wish I had put on 215's not 190's but I wanted to keep the speedo exactly the same.
 
Tire warranties aren't as good as they sound

I never get too excited by tire tread wear warranties - the reality just isn't so hot.

The warranties are prorated based on a manufacturers formula that is NOT in your favor. I've had 60,000 mile warranties on tires that only lasted 30,000 miles, and I assure you I didn't get half the money back. Its even worse when you realize you get none of those "extra" charges back - tire mounting, balancing, etc - and in fact have to pay those costs all over again.

Furthermore, the refund is usually applicable to buying another tire from the same manufacturer. If you didn't get a good life out of his 1st tire, why would you want to get another one of the same brand?

I generally have bough tires (for my other cars) with high government tread-wear numbers and high temperature ratings - that's a fairly good indicator of relative tire life, but even that is not perfect.

The life of tires in Florida seems to be about 30K to 35K, for very good (high mileage) tires on a full sized car. In over 500K of driving in FL, my recollection is that I've never gotten less than 28K, nor more than 35K - no matter what the brand (but I never buy el cheapos).

Consumer Reports is relatively good guide to "real world" tire mileage, ride, traction, etc. (I'd welcome hearing about other reliable sources if you know of any).

Good luck.
 
Re: Tire warranties aren't as good as they sound

I switched from 18 to 17 inch and went to series 60 from 55 and softer tires. Not enough change for all the effort I do wish I had put on 215's not 190's but I wanted to keep the speedo exactly the same.

190's!?!? Do you mean 195's...width??? Tires only come in widths that are a multiple of ten millimeters and end with 5. 215/60 17 is the correct size for about the same revs per mile. 195 would be smaller and make the speedo error even worse than it already is.

I never get too excited by tire tread wear warranties - the reality just isn't so hot.

Consumer Reports is relatively good guide to "real world" tire mileage, ride, traction, etc. (I'd welcome hearing about other reliable sources if you know of any).

Agreed. Prorated tire warranties are a waste of money.

TireRack.com is a great source for tire testing and customer feedback data on tires.
 
Re: **UPDATE 12/16/09**Replacement Tires...here is some info.

What I really meant to say was 215 series 60 on 17 inch wheels. (got my cars mixed up) And I wish I had put on wider ones say 225 to make the side wall taller ( for more squish) and suffer a bit of speedo error (still acceptably small)
 
Re: **UPDATE 12/16/09**Replacement Tires...here is some info.

What I really meant to say was 215 series 60 on 17 inch wheels. (got my cars mixed up0 And I wish I had put on wider ones say 225 to make the side wall taller ( for more squish) and suffer a bit of speedo error (still acceptably small)

Same here. I mostly cheaped out. The 225's were another $25 bucks a tire at the time ($100 total.) Now I see 225 Blizzak W60's for the same price I paid for the 215 Michelin XIce's. I have W60's on my Acura and really like them. Oh well. Hopefully I won't have to think about it again for another 4 years (that is what my brother says he gets out of his winter tires.)
 
Re: **UPDATE 12/16/09**Replacement Tires...here is some info.

OK...I ordered these today through http://www.discounttiredirect.com

Continental ExtremeContact DWS
245/45/18
$620.00 at my door.

Check them out here: http://www.discounttiredirect.com/direct/findTireDetail.do?pc=26864&counter=5&ar=45&rd=18&sw=false&cs=245

At Tirerack.com, these tires were the category leader in All-Season Performance.

Check it out here: http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Continental&tireModel=ExtremeContact+DWS

They have a 50,000 mile warranty (however, I expect about 30K at most).

TireRack.com also has a video review on youtube:

[YOUTUBE]<object width="560" height="340"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/Tl5iNU84vKY&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/Tl5iNU84vKY&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="560" height="340"></embed></object>[/YOUTUBE]

They may not be the stickiest tire out there in this category, but wet handling is high on my safety list!

Anywho, Ill shoot videos of the destruction of my old tires and how the Genny looks with her new shoes. With the smaller but wider size, according to all dimensions given, the car should be somewhat lower.
 
Re: **UPDATE 12/16/09**Replacement Tires...here is some info.

OK...I ordered these....
Continental ExtremeContact DWS
245/45/18

At Tirerack.com, these tires were the category leader in All-Season Performance.

They may not be the stickiest tire out there in this category, but wet handling is high on my safety list!

With the smaller but wider size, according to all dimensions given, the car should be somewhat lower.

Those Contis did do well. Check out the graphs where they are compared to other all seasons and true snow/winter tires.

Compared to other all seasons.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/chartDisplay.jsp?ttid=124

Compared to true snow/winter tires.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/chartDisplay.jsp?ttid=125

In the ice rink test (simulates glare road ice) you can see the Conti's fall behind Blizzak WS60's. Ice performance requires softer stickier rubber and lots of tiny sipes to disperse the small boundary layer of water on top of the ice.

The smaller tires will introduce another 2% error in your speedo reading...on top of the 4% that is already there. Your car speedo will report a higher speed than your actual vehicle speed.
 
Re: **UPDATE 12/16/09**Replacement Tires...here is some info.

The smaller tires will introduce another 2% error in your speedo reading...on top of the 4% that is already there. Your car speedo will report a higher speed than your actual vehicle speed.

Which is perfect!!!

My GPS reads exactly 2 MPH above what the speedo says!!

Great links by the way! Thanks!

I ordered them yesterday around lunch and after looking at the tracking numbers...they will be here tomorrow...from Ohio. That is some FAST shipping!
 
Re: Tire warranties aren't as good as they sound

I generally have bough tires (for my other cars) with high government tread-wear numbers and high temperature ratings - that's a fairly good indicator of relative tire life, but even that is not perfect.

Fyi, while tread wear ratings are good for comparing tires across a brand, they don't translate across brands since all tire manufacturers use their own ratings systems. Are you referring to a general database of actual treadlife versus what manufacturers print on their tires?
 
Boy am I lucky! The closest I get to an ICE RINK TEST is when I visit the Coyotes Rink in North Scottsdale. We are in the high 60'sF to low 70'sF everyday. :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
 
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