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Vehicle Depreciation

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According to Auto Blog, the Hyundai Genesis is number one in vehicle depreciation- losing approximately $16,600 of value in the first year of ownership.

I don't understand- my only issue is an idler pulley in my '12 3.8 sedan. It's an outstanding vehicle in my opinion.:D
 
Depreciation is only an issue if you trade your Genny in the first few years of ownership. If you are like me and keep your new car a minimum of ten years or so depreciation makes little or no difference.

If you trade your cars often you should pay attention to the depreciation factor and buy a car which is in high demand (hence, smaller depreciation).

Personally, I would rather drive my Genny and have a ten-year smile on my face.
 
According to Auto Blog, the Hyundai Genesis is number one in vehicle depreciation- losing approximately $16,600 of value in the first year of ownership.

I don't understand- my only issue is an idler pulley in my '12 3.8 sedan. It's an outstanding vehicle in my opinion.:D

Their post is skewed.. If I remember, could be wrong, they take list price, and look at it from there..what they do not consider is purchased price.. With all the hidden incentives, and rebates, wanting to get a stronger foothold in the market, the purchase price is much lower as a percentage to list.. So, the depreciation is not nearly as bad as the portray... If one bought, say 2012 R-spec for 37-39k (very doable in those days), over $10k is saved upfront. The depreciation does not look so bad at that point... You did not lose 16k the first year on your 2012 V6.. I a, sure you have run the math..

Same type of scenario for this year, and other years past.. Hyundai is very aggressive in real street pricing to get cars out there. (Good for us).. Those that also buy used, get a good deal compared to list price (good for them).. Assuming Hyundai is able to do a "Lexus" regarding multiple years of raising prices, and getting them, resale numbers against list will shrink fast and big time.. I remember once the LS400 got traction (and that was same size as current Genny today, or possible smaller.. Check them out if you see one in the road), they raised the pricing and had no discounts... For some years, people were able to sell them for almost same as what they bought.

Also, in 80s, I was very young buck who was doing well... Mercedes had a real old fart reputation with the old looking 300D as the mid sized car... They introduced in 1986, the E class...I bought my first Mercedes with the 300e in 86... Paid 30k... Fully loaded.. Then in 1989, my "trade" was almost same as what I paid... They wanted $47k sticker.. They were getting sticker by that time around here. The popularity of Mercedes was going through the roof. And the dollar had declined verses the Marc. I paid sticker, and I think I got about 31k for the 86 on trade... Point is, as they shed their hippy diesel square box reputation, the prices exploded.. They looked real good on resale in those days.. Then in 90, Lexus came with the LS400 starting under a lowly E class... Yet, it was almost S class market. By 2000 LS series had exploded in price, jumping past price for E class, and right about mid priced S class.

It took 6 years for Lexus to be start their exploding price game..Hyundai will likely take 10-12 to do the same.. Because of no second brand, and more intense competition today (not just Mercedes, BMW has booming 5 series now, did not so much like today, Audi was a rust bucket POS at way lower sales and pricing, jaguar was still run on Lucas Electric reputation, Cadillac was in the tank, Acura was much smaller cars then, Chrysler had Corinthian Leather POS, Infiniti was produced in smaller numbers then, Buick was broken as was rest of GM, and of course Lexus IS big today). Speaking of Infiniti and Acura.. The Legend was way under BMW 3 series cost at the beginning.. And raised way up in a decade.. Infiniti did the same thing as Lexus. The Q45 was amazing.. And way under same featured i6 Mercedes, or BMW..and it too had a DOHC V8.. They too Over time carried decent resale because of sustained price increases.

Also, Toyota, and "Datsun" had overcome their "cheap" reputations long before they had their luxury brand.. Hyundai is not regarded as "cheap POS anymore, but still has a past too recent (compared to Toyota of the day that Lexus introduced) where they had that reputation. The Koreans have more competition globally and in U.S. than other emerging luxury brands. They did not come out with new brand name with Genesis and Equus.

Hyundai have had mostly bad advertising over the years which did not make a play for the cars as a brand or what they stood for.. Only since the had the driverless commercial, did they start with something. Remember the "Lease a Equus for $599" ad? No mention of why or how the car was worth anything.. They had some talk in the ad as though it already had status.. Which is does not.. And the waste of money on the KIA 900 with Morpheas, that was poorly written, produced, and did not sell the car for what it was.. Again, a ad like it already had a assumed reputation.. It still does not... Certainly not Mad Men quality promotion on any of the high end Korean products.. The Lexus and Infiniti ads, and also Acura in their early days were bold, and showed people the cars, how good they were, and why someone should buy them.

So, this will take much longer.. But one day, your car will jump up in value when you are ready to trade. In the meantime, we can be almost cult like in our zeal for our steeds. Like early 2002ti owners. I knew several as a kid.. BMW did not know how to promote their value back then.. Well, look at the value of a 2002ti today. :) Subaru has taken 30+ years to put a mark on their brand... Now they are finally selling 300k cars in U.S. last year, should be at 375k in 2015 calendar year. For them, that is big change. And they had a quirky, yet long term effective branding model. From mountain 420 smoking hippies in Colorado driving them, to soccer moms today...

In the mean time enjoy the exclusivity, lack of lemming buyers flocking to our amazing steeds.. And the great value.. Which allows many of us to get into a class of car, would not be able with the close to century mark pricing of the German brands.. If Hyundai keeps going, we will wish "for the good old days of deals and amazing cars". :)
 
"In the meantime, we can be almost cult like in our zeal for our steeds. Like early 2002ti owners. I knew several as a kid.. BMW did not know how to promote their value back then.. Well, look at the value of a 2002ti today. Subaru has taken 30+ years to put a mark on their brand... Now they are finally selling 300k cars in U.S. last year, should be at 375k in 2015 calendar year. For them, that is big change. And they had a quirky, yet long term effective branding model. From mountain 420 smoking hippies in Colorado driving them, to soccer moms today...

In the mean time enjoy the exclusivity, lack of lemming buyers flocking to our amazing steeds.. And the great value.. Which allows many of us to get into a class of car, would not be able with the close to century mark pricing of the German brands.. If Hyundai keeps going, we will wish "for the good old days of deals and amazing cars"."

Well said DRS
 
I love depreciation.

It allowed me to buy my Genesis Coupe for $10k less than original MSRP with only 30,000 miles.

It allowed me to buy my Genesis Sedan for $20k less than original MSRP with only 35,000 miles.

It also allowed my wife to recently purchase a 2006 W211 E350 for $35k less than original MSRP and it only had 22,000 miles.
 
If one bought, say 2012 R-spec for 37-39k (very doable in those days), over $10k is saved upfront.

Good post but I don't know where you got that '12 R-spec for high 30's. When I bought mine (early December of 2012) there were exactly two of them at dealers in AZ and nothing was slated to come in for at least six weeks or so. I bought the one that had been semi-customized for a local show but it wasn't anything like $10 grand off list. A year later they were selling like Kia's so my timing wasn't great but I wanted that car and the money didn't really matter. I could have gotten a steal on a black '12 3.8 but I wanted that R-spec. Sometimes you just gotta pay the piper. After all, it might just be my last new car I ever buy.
 
Good post but I don't know where you got that '12 R-spec for high 30's. When I bought mine (early December of 2012) there were exactly two of them at dealers in AZ and nothing was slated to come in for at least six weeks or so. I bought the one that had been semi-customized for a local show but it wasn't anything like $10 grand off list. A year later they were selling like Kia's so my timing wasn't great but I wanted that car and the money didn't really matter. I could have gotten a steal on a black '12 3.8 but I wanted that R-spec. Sometimes you just gotta pay the piper. After all, it might just be my last new car I ever buy.

Thank you.
 
"In the meantime, we can be almost cult like in our zeal for our steeds. Like early 2002ti owners. I knew several as a kid.. BMW did not know how to promote their value back then.. Well, look at the value of a 2002ti today. Subaru has taken 30+ years to put a mark on their brand... Now they are finally selling 300k cars in U.S. last year, should be at 375k in 2015 calendar year. For them, that is big change. And they had a quirky, yet long term effective branding model. From mountain 420 smoking hippies in Colorado driving them, to soccer moms today...

In the mean time enjoy the exclusivity, lack of lemming buyers flocking to our amazing steeds.. And the great value.. Which allows many of us to get into a class of car, would not be able with the close to century mark pricing of the German brands.. If Hyundai keeps going, we will wish "for the good old days of deals and amazing cars"."

Well said DRS

Thank you.
 
Good post but I don't know where you got that '12 R-spec for high 30's. When I bought mine (early December of 2012) there were exactly two of them at dealers in AZ and nothing was slated to come in for at least six weeks or so. I bought the one that had been semi-customized for a local show but it wasn't anything like $10 grand off list. A year later they were selling like Kia's so my timing wasn't great but I wanted that car and the money didn't really matter. I could have gotten a steal on a black '12 3.8 but I wanted that R-spec. Sometimes you just gotta pay the piper. After all, it might just be my last new car I ever buy.

Thank you... Get that... And appreciate you being a early supporter of the beast..I was speaking of later in the year, and early 2013.. Many were going for that. My 5.0 was $11k off before taxes and platinum warranty. The R-Specs by then were $7-10k off by then.. More later.. And look in years after.. Same kind of deep discounts. Same for V6 as a percentage. It is not a problem to be ashamed of.. They are smart and pricing what the market will bear.. As market and popularity matures, prices will go up.. Look at gen 2.. Is more. Not giant increase, but more, even with deep discounts. While my numbers are not exact for every deal, trend was to offer good deals on rope of a value list price.. Using he deep deals as example only.
 
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I paid ~25% off sticker when I bought my '13 in April of 2014. The depreciation numbers mean very little (to me) for a few reasons:
1. I didn't pay anywhere near sticker (the depreciation baseline)
2. I plan on keeping it for 8-10 years

Like others have said, the amazing deals that could be had on the Gen 1 towards the end put a big hit on the theoretical depreciation percent. I am guessing the same will happen on the Gen 2 at some point.
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I picked up my 2010 with the 4.6 V8 and fully optioned with the tech package with 60k miles on it for $16k earlier this year from a Toyota dealer. This was a steal as every other V8 of similar mileage was over $20k on Craigslist so I couldn't resist trading my 2011 Genesis Coupe for it. I bought the Coupe new so I took a bit of a bath on it but I saved so much on the Sedan and ended up with a significantly better overall vehicle.
 
Hello, new guy here. This is why I set my sights on the Genesis and just bought a used model last Thursday. 2013 3.8, navigation, LDWS, heated/cooled seats... (sorry, don't know what trim package I have) with 30k miles for $21k. Great reviews, I think these vehicles will really start to retain their value once the general public realizes the quality Hyundai now produces, as opposed to 20 years ago.
 
Hello, new guy here. This is why I set my sights on the Genesis and just bought a used model last Thursday. 2013 3.8, navigation, LDWS, heated/cooled seats... (sorry, don't know what trim package I have) with 30k miles for $21k. Great reviews, I think these vehicles will really start to retain their value once the general public realizes the quality Hyundai now produces, as opposed to 20 years ago.
That would be Tech Package (which requires Premium Package). Only the Tech Package has the DIS control knob right behind the shifter on the console.
 
Hello, new guy here. This is why I set my sights on the Genesis and just bought a used model last Thursday. 2013 3.8, navigation, LDWS, heated/cooled seats... (sorry, don't know what trim package I have) with 30k miles for $21k. Great reviews, I think these vehicles will really start to retain their value once the general public realizes the quality Hyundai now produces, as opposed to 20 years ago.

That's exactly it and perception has already been improving quite a bit over the past 15 years. People who previously shopped Honda/Toyota/Nissan as well as domestics are buying various Hyundai's in large numbers. I've said before that the Hyundai's of the 2000's are like the Honda's/Toyota's of the 80's. A lot of people considered them crap but those who bough them found incredibly reliable and resilient cars that maybe didn't have the best materials or latest technology but they were pretty much bullet proof work horses. My first car was a 2002 Hyundai Accent with a manual transmission that I learned to drive on and after I put over 70k abusive miles on it I sold it to my buddy who had it over 150k miles the last time I saw him. All it needed was oil, gas, tires, brakes and one clutch job (which is to be expected as I learned to drive stick on it). I've run across other individuals who owned early 2000's Hyundai's and found them to be extremely reliable no frills transport. Today Hyundai is able to offer the latest features and technology in attractive packages at reasonable prices. Between my first Hyundai and my most recent one I've owned Nissan, Infiniti, BMW, Honda, Ford and the Hyundai's have been the best overall cars.
 
I love depreciation.

It allowed me to buy my Genesis Coupe for $10k less than original MSRP with only 30,000 miles.

It allowed me to buy my Genesis Sedan for $20k less than original MSRP with only 35,000 miles.

It also allowed my wife to recently purchase a 2006 W211 E350 for $35k less than original MSRP and it only had 22,000 miles.
What you said is true, but the thing is in 5 years or less your vehicles will be worth very little and its like starting from scratch --- when you buy again. The best way , but the most work , is to buy new, have good negotiating skills and patience. I have a car now , thats about a years old , its worth more than I paid for it. I also sell my own cars, its not rocket science , which increases the value ( profit more). One of the key things is maintaining an excellent appearance. So when I buy my next car in a couple years--- 50-60% or more of its cost is already paid for ---- total cost for me is lower , with little to no out of the pocket repair costs... If I bought a used car it would be a Lexus, but get an extended warranty --- the electronics costs can kill you . Hope all will learn from this. Thanks for the opportunity to help.
 
What you said is true, but the thing is in 5 years or less your vehicles will be worth very little and its like starting from scratch --- when you buy again. The best way , but the most work , is to buy new, have good negotiating skills and patience. I have a car now , thats about a years old , its worth more than I paid for it. I also sell my own cars, its not rocket science , which increases the value ( profit more). One of the key things is maintaining an excellent appearance. So when I buy my next car in a couple years--- 50-60% or more of its cost is already paid for ---- total cost for me is lower , with little to no out of the pocket repair costs... If I bought a used car it would be a Lexus, but get an extended warranty --- the electronics costs can kill you . Hope all will learn from this. Thanks for the opportunity to help.

If you want to buy new every few years, then a lease is the best option.

The only way to "earn money" to "trade-up" in a finance situation is to have excellent credit to get an insanely low APR and short finance term coupled with high monthly payments. Then try to sell it private party, which in some states, like SC, the transfer of title could not be easier (No notary required, both parties just sign the back of the title). Not to mention if you try to sell prior to pay-off in a private party sale, it can get a little complicated as banks aren't the fastest at sending you the title and sometimes the buyer isn't so understanding.
 
No it is not. If you can charge is off as a business expense then yes. 90% of the time leasing is more costly. If you own your own business leasing can be cheaper. Leasing can be convenient , but costs more. If you could earn more interest on your money today , it would help--- but borrowing money today is reasonable . Thanks
 
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