What other cars are you considering now?

[suntzuaow]

Next year when I'm looking for a replacement for my 2012 R-Spec and there is no hint of a 2016/17 R-Spec I might have to jump ship to a Buick GNX if it looks like anything in the picture. V-6 only 400 hp but I'm sure they will make lots of aftermarket parts.

http://www.2015newcarsmodels.com/2015-buick-grand-national-specs-price/

 

[pusaterkm]

Yes, the 2014-15 Avalon is on my list. The 2009 Genesis was a firm ride until I put Continental DWS Extreme Contact tires on it. Made all the difference. I have owned 3 Corvettes so the ride is not a big issue. But in Houston, its flat and straight--the Corvettes were from my days in Colorado. So a Mercedes E class ride is more of what I am looking for not a BMW 3. My neighbor has a 2014 Avalon and likes it. I will give all the contenders a close look after the 2015 Mercedes C comes out this fall (that includes the 2015 Genesis). The price, MPG, and depreciation are big hurdles for the Genny right now.

I owned two Avalons and they were great cars. I was looking for something a little more exciting when I traded my 2006 Avalon in on my 2011 Genny 4.6. I have sat in the new ones at car shows but haven't driven one. In my opinion they just don't look as upscale as they used to and without looking closely I can't tell them apart from the Camry.

 

[gen15]

I'm down to three... and they're completely different types of cars (so it's tough to really compare them).

Hyundai Genesis 5.0 Ultimate - $57K
+ value when compared to other v8 luxury sedans
+ loaded with all the tech you would ever want
+ understated but luxurious interior with lots of room
- styling is still too bland, especially the rear and sides
- the car is heavy and there's a lag when you punch it
- gas mileage is not good

Porsche Macan S - $60K
+ amazing handling for a SUV
+ it's a porsche and not everyone has one
+ looks pretty bad ass imo, other than the non matching side blade
- expensive. HUD is not even an option...and even if it was I probably couldn't afford it.
- expensive to maintain (from what I hear)
- gas mileage is not horrible for an SUV, but it's not good

BMW 435i Gran Coupe (new '4 door coupe' with hatchback) - $59K
+ sexy looking coupe with 4 doors...and a hatchback (I love how it provides a little more utility)
+ great gas mileage
+ 4 years of maintenance and high residual values
- small (or in a positive light, 'sporty')
- expensive for a tiny car
- BMW stigma...for some reason, I don't associate "nice guy" with the typical bmw owner (sorry for stereotyping).

These cars are NOT similarly equipped...just priced the way I would buy them given that I don't want to spend over $60K. Obviously you get more in the Genesis.

 

[Hstead]

Of those three, the BMW 435i would be hard to pass up.

 

[drpearso]

The GS350 may also be a viable option.

Tompass -- Dont you think the GS 350 is in a totally different class as the 2015 Genesis? The GS 350 is a great car, but it is much smaller in size, and the 2015 Genesis is more akin to the model above the 535 BMW in terms of weight and interior size. I was driving and considering the GS 350 Sport vs the 2013 Rspec, but when i realized how small the GS 350 was and how the 6 cylinder 350 powered the GS, it was a no go for me. The Lexus is a great car, no doubt at all, but just not the same size class or feel s the Rspec.

Thats just my assessment. Now when iti comes to the GS 350 Sport seat, there is no comparison to the 1st generation Genesis. The sport 350 has the best seat along with the optional BMW seat. Regards, Dan

 

[ksoze]

I am recently comparing to a used MB E550 4Matic. The 2011 models had the NA V8 as well as leather, etc. For almost $20K less than a V8 Genesis, it is a well built car with AWD and a strong V8. It may not have all the complex nanny features of the new Genesis, but I am trying to put a price on what those are worth to me. An extended MB warranty can bought to add 7 years to the car, so repair costs can be pushed out. I am one who does like the look of that E series and the 2011 models off lease can let one drive a $70K+ car for half the price.

 

[tompass]

drpearso-Yes, the GS is bit smaller and the power comes on differently but it is very comfortable, great acceleration, handles the twisties well, and should be very reliable. I needed an AWD car and when Hyundai announced that the the V8 AWD would not be made available in USA, I then considered all other 6 cylinder AWD cars. Saved a ton of money with a '13 CPO and depreciation should be less of a factor.

 

[punchjamesarnol]

Next year when I'm looking for a replacement for my 2012 R-Spec and there is no hint of a 2016/17 R-Spec I might have to jump ship to a Buick GNX if it looks like anything in the picture. V-6 only 400 hp but I'm sure they will make lots of aftermarket parts.

http://www.2015newcarsmodels.com/2015-buick-grand-national-specs-price/

The new Buick Grand National looks amazing. It looks to me like the CTS-V has a contender to deal with...

 

[gen15]

Of those three, the BMW 435i would be hard to pass up.

I test drove the 435i Gran Coupe. Definitely a nice car and drives much like the 2-door coupe it's based on (a good thing). I also love the power hatchback...very nice and more practical than a 3-series sedan.

But, in the end, I pulled the trigger on a Porsche Macan S. $60K. I had to go light on the options in order to keep it at that budget limit. Definitely not a "smart" purchase compared to the fully loaded Gen 5.0 Ultimate... but I couldn't wipe the grin off my face after the Macan test drive.

 

[suntzuaow]

Wow, getting really serious when GM shoots for Hyundai.

"The Regal Grand National will compete in a rather interesting space, straddling the affordable luxury area. The model, however, will have a performance-oriented character that will reach its pinnacle in the high-performance Regal GNX trim level. The closest competitor we could think of for the 2017 Regal Grand National is the Hyundai Genesis range, with the closest competitor to the Regal GNX being the R-Spec variants of the Genesis Sedan or Genesis Coupe, depending on what body style GM elects to bring the Regal GN/GNX to market.

http://gmauthority.com/blog/gm/buick/regal/regal-grand-national/2017-regal-grand-national/

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[parpi]

I was considering a 6 months old fully loaded BMW 335i, and brand new relatively well optioned 2015 C class 250. The interior of the Mercedes was really amazing, they really upped their game. But wasn't going to spend that much money on a 4 cylinder considering it was $7k more expensive than the genesis 5.0.

The BMW was really nice, loved the exhaust sound and nice sporty red leather interior and again for a bit more than the price of the genesis 5.0 but I was let down by the exterior especially as it was in white and just looked plain and looks like a cheap car in white. Otherwise was really tempted.

Ended up getting a well speced genesis 3.8 and saved about $15k, if only I didn't have to wait so long for delivery.

 

[Genesis2015]

worth the wait ,they told me 6 weeks for delivery and my dealer was able to locate one ,same specs as I wanted within 10 days, so you never know

 

[roblaw]

I was considering a 6 months old fully loaded BMW 335i, and brand new relatively well optioned 2015 C class 250. The interior of the Mercedes was really amazing, they really upped their game. But wasn't going to spend that much money on a 4 cylinder considering it was $7k more expensive than the genesis 5.0.

The BMW was really nice, loved the exhaust sound and nice sporty red leather interior and again for a bit more than the price of the genesis 5.0 but I was let down by the exterior especially as it was in white and just looked plain and looks like a cheap car in white. Otherwise was really tempted.

Ended up getting a well speced genesis 3.8 and saved about $15k, if only I didn't have to wait so long for delivery.

Just curious, where do you live and what prices did you see for the Mercedes? As far as I know the C250 is not available in the US and the anticipated prices I saw for the C300 are right on top of the 3.8 Genesis, not well above the 5.0. Also, when did you see the interior? Are you saying you saw it in pictures (in which it looks great) or live?

Thanks.

 

[Imbuer]

You need to learn what Truecar.com is.

Unfortunately, TrueCar is not what it started out to be. After a lot of difficulties with the dealers, it has gotten into bed with them and become mainly a lead generator and not as good of a best/low pricing discovery tool.

If you look into their recent changes, you'll find that they have removed certain key pricing data, such as Dealer Marketing Cash, which results in their showing higher transaction prices. Krafcik, himself, explained this on a recent Autoline show.

So, vehicle pricing transparency took a hit, and dealers are raking in record profits (not that there is anything wrong with that...).

 

[parpi]

Keep in mind these are 2015 model years with very limited stocks. Living in Dubai, the heavily optioned and only c200 on display had a price tag of 58700 USD. A similar c250 would have been 64400. No c300 were available yet (btw Also a 4 cylinder), the six cylinder engine would be the c400.

I sat in the car and felt it's a big improvement on the 2014 but It's a matter of taste and I personally was impressed by the interior and felt it's better than even the the E class interior.

 

[Aquineas]

The information I provided in the Business Week article is based on public tax records of what people paid. Those numbers are accepted by the industry as accurate. The average selling price for a MB E series (all engines and all trim levels) in April for MB E-Class was $55,788. That is only $88 more than the MSRP of the a 2015 Hyundai Genesis 5.0 Ultimate. Many people are having to pay MSRP for the 2015 Genesis right now (some less, and some more). I realize that the Genesis prices are likely to come down as supply increases, and the MB prices are not likely to get much (if any) lower.

I realized I'm biased, but given the length of the warranty, the German reliability horror stories I've been hearing, and the delta in the extended warranty prices (much cheaper on the Genesis), for me the Genesis is still the more attractive buy. I'm not even talking about the V8 vs the V6 or the differences in options.

 

[ksoze]

Unfortunately, TrueCar is not what it started out to be. After a lot of difficulties with the dealers, it has gotten into bed with them and become mainly a lead generator and not as good of a best/low pricing discovery tool.

Noticed they changed and seemed like it had become less reliable as an accurate research tool from what I remember early on.

 

[Mark_888]

I realized I'm biased, but given the length of the warranty, the German reliability horror stories I've been hearing, and the delta in the extended warranty prices (much cheaper on the Genesis), for me the Genesis is still the more attractive buy. I'm not even talking about the V8 vs the V6 or the differences in options.

I personally would be unlikely to buy a MB, partly for the reasons you mention. But a lot of buyers are very much into prestige, so my personal opinion is that Hyundai needs to keep the Genesis prices noticeably lower than an E series (even though Genesis is larger).

Also, the MB warranty is 48-months or 50,000 miles, and many people don't keep cars longer than that. Also, an extended MB warranty can be purchased with an additional 1, 2, or 3 years from the original 48-month/50,000-mile New Vehicle Limited Warranty start date - with options for either a 75,000, 100,000, or 125,000 total accumulated miles. The extended warranty can be purchased any time prior the original New Vehicle Limited Warranty expiration.