What other cars are you considering now?

[roblaw]

The 2015 Genesis is very nice. What other cars are people considering now? Are most people who are looking at the Genesis considering the E Class, 5 Series, A6 because these are the vehicles Hyundai positions against (and it is now more competitive with) or are most people solely looking at comparably priced cars regardless of perception?

I really like the look and the interior of the new Genesis. I have not driven one yet or seen one in the flesh as my local dealer has sold them as soon as they arrived. However, given my current Genesis (2012 3.8) I am sure that if it has better seats and a better ride (and hopefully a quieter HVAC fan), I am sure I will like it.

However, I am considering a other cars. I am a bit disappointed in the weight gain. Hyundai, unlike other manufacturers, seemed to drop weight or at least maintain it in their most recent versions so I was hoping for a lighter, not heavier car. With the quoted power drop and weight gain, it appears the car will be about 1/2 second slower than my car in most acceleration tests if the 5.0 is representative. Now I am not a drag racer but the ability to accelerate well is one of the joys of a modern luxury car and. While my car accelerates well if you hit it hard off the line, there is a major low speed flat spot and a lack of torque at different speeds that can make the car feel unresponsive at times. I do not think a few hundred extra pounds is going to make that feel better, but I will have to see whether the real life difference in acceleration is that significant given the alleged retuning of the torque curve.

Another issue that the weight gain brings up is fuel economy. My car is rated at 19/29. In real world suburban driving I get 15 mpg max. I suspect the 2015 will be similar or worse given the same power train and 200+ lbs. more weight. Highway driving is good with real world numbers in the upper 20s for me but the city/suburban numbers suck. So a did a back of hand calculation an determined that if I drive about 10,000 miles per year, the increase in real world mileage from 15 mpg to 20 mpg is like a payment savings of about $60 per month if gas is 4.25 per gallon.

I noted in an earlier thread that I was going to consider the MB C300 when it arrives in the fall. Yes, it is smaller but the interior looks nice, the performance looks to be better with its 241/273 four (and about 4-600 lbs less car) than the Genesis 3.8 will be and I am sure it will probably get real world mileage at least 5+ mpg more in normal driving. I also think that with the new design, larger size, etc., it is a nice looking car. I imagine its perceived resale value will make the overall cost comparison with a Genesis pretty competitive and maybe cheaper on a lease (although service costs wills be higher). Even if the car is not as large overall, it should hold 4 non-NBA stars in reasonable comfort.

What other cars are you all considering in addition to the new Genesis?

 

[tompass]

The GS350 may also be a viable option.

 

[ksoze]

Good post, many things ring true to me also. I have seen both models and am impressed with the 2015, especially the Ultimate. The exterior has not grabbed me like I wished, but clearly it is an impressive and value packed car (although less so as it creeps over $50K).

I am likely looking at Mercedes and possibly Infiniti. I have had BMW's for the past several cars and need a change. Like Audi, but I would want the more expensive models. If Mercedes, I would likely look at a CPO, E class. A new E class V6 can be had for about list price of a V8 ultimate, albeit not as "loaded" as the Genesis. I would probably look towards a CPO E350 or E550 - they would be less than a new Genesis, and with the CPO and extended warranty can go out 7 years. The E550 includes more options which closer resemble the Genesis offerings as well as a V8 and leather.

The Q50S is also an impressive looking car - a nice evolution from the G. It is more in the price and option range of the Genesis, and includes LED lighting and a more sports options as well as a better dealer experience (dependent on location).

The new Genesis deserves a hard look as it is impressive - it ticks off most of the boxes on paper, but at these elevated price levels, requires more thought. I don't think it will be an emotionally driven sale - it has not grabbed me like BMW did. I seem to be looking for a reason not to buy one.

 

[nextcar]

Roblaw, very interesting post, as I am also waiting for the new C class to compare the Genesis to.

I think the exterior styling of the C class is significantly better than the new Genesis. And I would also appreciate the lighter weight and better gas mileage.

However, I doubt that the new C would be as quiet and comfortable as the Genesis because the new Genesis is the equivalent of the E class.

 

[vega]

I would like to get a 2015 V8, but here in Canada with a price over $60k and a resale value less than their competition, total cost of ownership has to be a factor for me. My wife's Lexus cost us $6,900 more than my Genesis, but its resale is more than $12k higher after 4 years. We usually get new vehicles every 3 to 4 years. Hyundai has made the allure of value diminish with this years pricing on the Genesis.
We are shopping to replace my Genesis now, AFAIC no brand will be ruled out.

 

[PMCErnie]

Alternatives to buying a '15 Genesis? It a no-brainer for me. My '12 is paid for and has less than 21,000 miles on the clock. It's a great car and there's no need to replace it with anything. What I am also saying is that, for me, my '12 continues to remain the best alternative around to an overpriced, overloaded, overweight, '15 model.

By the way, whatever happened to Bill Fisher who was going to buy the first '15 Genesis in the USA?

 

[roblaw]

Roblaw, very interesting post, as I am also waiting for the new C class to compare the Genesis to.

I think the exterior styling of the C class is significantly better than the new Genesis. And I would also appreciate the lighter weight and better gas mileage.

However, I doubt that the new C would be as quiet and comfortable as the Genesis because the new Genesis is the equivalent of the E class.

I really want to drive the C-Class. I recently traded my wife's 2011 RX 350 fr a 2014 ML 350. Historically you would expect the Lexus to be soft, smooth and quiet with a very high quality interior and Mercedes to be more "Germanic", stern cold, etc. Unlike the 2007 RX 350 we had, the 2011 interior was no nicer than a comparable Highlander in quality of materials and no quieter then lesser cars. And while it rode OK, it did not ride as well as the 2007 nor the ML 350 we have now. The real kicker (and the things I most appreciate) are the interior materials in the ML. Really, touch almost anything inside the car and it is soft touch and high quality. And it is very, very quiet. Mine has the panoramic roof (not my first choice) and other than some wind minor noise on the highway (which I think is made more noticeable because everything is so damn quiet) the thing is like a library.

Now, the Lexus was as reliable as the sun and the dealer experience (twice at different dealers) was excellent. Also, it was peppier (the ML is a lardass at 5000lbs for a AWD 3.5) and I liked how the HVAC worked better. But I am deeply disappointed that Lexus does not seem to be sweating the details anymore.

I give you this perspective only to say that I think the C300 will probably be pretty quiet (although the 4 cyl. will not sound as nice as the Genesis) and the Luxury suspension (not Sport) will probably ride very well.

 

[roblaw]

Also, anyone thinking about the new Acura TLX? I was very pleased with 3 accords prior to my Genesis. If they can improve the ride and NVH as they have with the MDX and RLX and not price it too high, it may be a contender too.

 

[dach2k3]

Right now I am considering the Buick LaCrosse. We have an Enclave and it has been very reliable for the past 5 years and the Buick customer service has been great at the dealer we use. I know Buick is not high luxury, but it is pretty close in price and specs to the Genesis. Close enough for me to consider. I am looking at something under $48k or so as my all in cost so I am not really in the market for one of the middle tier sedans of Mercedes, BMW, Audi, Lexus or Acura.

The LaCrosse is nice. We have had them as loaners several times and we would be getting the fully loaded Premium 2 with almost all of the packages vs. the Signature/Tech Genesis. They are close in MSRP, but the LaCrosse is a bit long in the tooth and there are some pretty big discounts right now.

 

[wlk12]

Actually, I'm not considering other cars right now. I'm thinking about a lower cost (but well built) luxury car to replace my Lexus IS250 which is about out of warranty. The Genesis seems to fit the bill. If it turns out that after some test drives I'm not as sold on it, or if I can't get a decent deal, I'll probably get a loaded Mazda 6. I know it's not a "luxury" car, but it's a heck of a car for the money, quite comfortable, and fun to drive.

I should mention that if our situation were different, and my wife did not have a new Cadillac ATS, we'd be considering the new Cadillac CTS versus the Genesis. I'm sure it would cost more, but I'd be willing to pay more for the outstanding driving dynamics of the new generation CTS. Her ATS is just great.

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[msitter]

A CPO Audi A6 3.0T, BMW 535I - 550i, Mercedes E are some of the cars I am considering. Also a C7 Corvette as some of the used ones come on the market although a base C7 with just the Z51 pkg and nav is about the same as a V8 Ultimate Genesis, only marginally more. I am not really not interested in all the unneeded and potentially troublesome electronics on the Genesis and the astronomic depreciation I have seen on the one I have definitely puts me off. Since I can travel to get what I want I can almost order a used car and drive a fairly new $70K car for Genesis money and know that after 4 years it will be worth considerably more. I can honestly say that the Genesis itself has been a great car and the dealer has been superb but the fact that they are practically worthless after 4 years has me looking elsewhere.

 

[Waki]

Driving our second Genesis right now. Love it... BUT with the price and weight increase here in Canada, will probably NOT buy another Genesis. It's no longer great value ! Would look at Infiniti & Cadillac.

 

[ncee]

What other cars are you all considering in addition to the new Genesis?[/QUOTE]

If it's not to be the new Genesis, I'm likely to go back and try out a LS 460L (used of course)

1) Genesis
2) LS 460 L?
3) Mercedes? (more likely to be #2)
4) Keep my Avalon?

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[powerslide]

Now I am not a drag racer but the ability to accelerate well is one of the joys of a modern luxury car and. While my car accelerates well if you hit it hard off the line, there is a major low speed flat spot and a lack of torque at different speeds that can make the car feel unresponsive at times. I do not think a few hundred extra pounds is going to make that feel better, but I will have to see whether the real life difference in acceleration is that significant given the alleged retuning of the torque curve.

I was a little worried about acceleration after my first test drive, but it's not an issue for me. I have a 3.8 AWD and it has plenty of go. In sport mode, the only thing that could be considered lacking is the first 2000 rpm as you roll off the start. It hauls a$$ after that. The 8 speed is smooth and keeps the rpm in the sweet spot straight thru 100 mph.

 

[homeofstone]

I may replace my E350, I am keeping my Genny for a few more years. I am currently thinking of a 2011 CLS63 to replace my E350.

 

[liquidice]

Also, anyone thinking about the new Acura TLX? I was very pleased with 3 accords prior to my Genesis. If they can improve the ride and NVH as they have with the MDX and RLX and not price it too high, it may be a contender too.

I am waiting for the TLX to come out so I can test drive it before I make a decision on what I will buy. I think price wise however the Genesis will provide more bang for the buck than the TLX.

TLX, Genesis 3.8 AWD, GS350 AWD and an Accord V6 Touring are on my list right now. Might decide to test drive a BMW 5 series and an Infiniti Q50 just to see how it compares.

I've test driven the GS350 AWD and Genesis 3.8 AWD. I personally thought the GS350 felt more sporty (which I prefer) but overall I like the Genesis better I think.

Gas mileage is a concern with the 3.8 AWD for me though. The GS350 AWD and TLX SH-AWD both have better EPA MPG estimates.

Still have no idea what I am going to do

 

[Advocate225]

At present I have a 2009 Genesis with under 24,000 miles. Another 6 weeks will be my 5th anniversary. Now age 65 I'm not so concerned with having the "latest style" and plan to keep the car another two to three years. I do also own a 2014 Tucson as my second vehicle.

When I do replace the Genesis, it is almost a certainty I would purchase another Genesis, most likely a 3.8 Tech or Ultimate. Why? Between my brother and myself we've owned 5 Hyundai since 2006 and have never had one problem or complaint with any of these cars.

Having been a long time Cadillac buyer, and also having purchased a Toyota Camry with unintended acceleration -- (YES, they did do this and no I didn't have any floor mats in the car -- why on earth take a chance when I found a manufacturer that produces cars that are completely reliable, loaded with features and content, and are gorgeous?

 

[Hstead]

Right now for me the biggest competitor to the 15 is the deal I can get on a 14 R-spec. I am leaning toward the R-spec, but may still go AWD 3.8 15. Outside of those two cars, the Avalon, Range Rover Evoque, Acura MDX, Enclave, Caddy SRX, are all on the list as I need to get two cars and most likely one will be an SUV of some sort. Most likely I am going to end up with a 14 R-spec and a Range Rover Evoque. Santa fe is still in the picture as well. I do not want to go down the German road again myself as my two Audi's and one E500 ended up being money pits to keep on the road.

 

[pusaterkm]

I looked at, drove and priced the CTS vsport premium, Benz E 550 and Lexus LS 460. Traded my 2011 4.6 Genesis for the 2015 Genesis 5.0 Ultimate. Not only the cheapest of these, but the best. CTS V was the only one that came close, but Genny has more room.

 

[vega]

here in Canada with a $64k+ sticker on the V8 AWD the allure of value has diminished substantially. More-so when you consider the not so stellar resale value on the Genesis as opposed to the competition in the luxury/sport class.

I'm just beginning to shop to replace my 2010 and have not eliminated anything other than the exotics, and huge $$$ vehicles.