What's new for 2010 Genesis

[moose66]

Nothing about the suspension? Oh my! This is going to have some of the guys/gals who are beating the current suspension into the ground just beside themselves. Maybe that tweak was just not mentioned. Could it be a subtle and surprise change?

 

[JPW]

Yea, I guess all we can do is wait and see. I do like the thought of adaptive cruise control but I'm not sure its worth waiting the three months I have for it and will continue to wait.

I'm still hoping that Hyundai will do the right thing and do something with suspension for 2010 because that is why I've been waiting. I will be disappointed if they don't and it will leave me to second guess whether I really want to buy this car or not. Again, I guess I'll just have to wait.

 

[jwaters943]

I don't understand how the lack of Hyundai 8-speed in 2010 can be any surprise. All the credible reports that I have seen have stated that it will be available in 2011 at the earliest, and maybe in 2012. No one even slightly knowledgeable about the 2010 Genesis ever suggested that the 8-speed would be available for the 2010 model year. If any one told you that, you should cross them off your "reliable" list.

Actually Mr. Argumentative, Hyundai said the V8 Genesis would be getting the 8-speed for 2010 (I'm guessing they meant late 2010, which means the 2011 model year). Although, some places like Automobile Magazine specifically said it would be on the 2010 Genesis.

http://rumors.automobilemag.com/633...esis-gets-eight-speed-transmission/index.html

http://www.themotorreport.com.au/11901/hyundai-genesis-8-speed-automatic-for-2010/

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/11/07/hyundai-genesis-sedan-to-get-8-speed-automatic/

http://blogs.edmunds.com/straightline/2008/11/hyundai-to-offer-an-8-speed-automatic.html

 

[jwaters943]

I'm still hoping that Hyundai will do the right thing and do something with suspension for 2010 because that is why I've been waiting. I will be disappointed if they don't and it will leave me to second guess whether I really want to buy this car or not. Again, I guess I'll just have to wait.

It's possible they could be making changes to the suspension, but not announcing it. They've done this before on the Azera.

 

[JPW]

It's possible they could be making changes to the suspension, but not announcing it. They've done this before on the Azera.

 

[Mark_888]

Actually Mr. Argumentative, Hyundai said the V8 Genesis would be getting the 8-speed for 2010 (I'm guessing they meant late 2010, which means the 2011 model year). Although, some places like Automobile Magazine specifically said it would be on the 2010 Genesis.

http://rumors.automobilemag.com/633...esis-gets-eight-speed-transmission/index.html

http://www.themotorreport.com.au/11901/hyundai-genesis-8-speed-automatic-for-2010/

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/11/07/hyundai-genesis-sedan-to-get-8-speed-automatic/

http://blogs.edmunds.com/straightline/2008/11/hyundai-to-offer-an-8-speed-automatic.html

Probably all came from the same eroneous source about Oct/Nov 2008. If you look at all more recent stories on the 8-speed, they all say 2011 or later.

But IMO you should cross those reporters off your list of reliable sources, Mr. Smarty Pants.

 

[Mark_888]

Nothing about the suspension? Oh my! This is going to have some of the guys/gals who are beating the current suspension into the ground just beside themselves. Maybe that tweak was just not mentioned. Could it be a subtle and surprise change?

As I posted in another thread I start months ago regarding 2010 suspension changes, there will some tuning of the suspension. The Acting President of HMA personally tested and approved the changes months ago when I reported it. I didn't mention it in this thread becasue I thought it had been beat to death, and it is not really a "new" feature.

 

[jwaters943]

What part of "came directly from Hyundai" are you not understanding? The announcement that Hyundai would be putting an 8-speed auto in the Genesis in 2010 came directly from their chief of powertrain development, Park Seong-hyun.

If we can't rely on the automotive press and/or Hyundai to give accurate info., what sources should we trust Mr. Know-it-all?

Either way, it's not a big deal. I just thought it would be a nice update for those who've been waiting. I'm actually glad they didn't change too much....otherwise I really would have wished I waited.

 

[CanukV6]

Actually Mr. Argumentative

Mr. Smarty Pants

What's with the playground name calling guys? Can't we all just get along?

For all we may hear from Hyundai officially, the suspension 'fix' may already be implemented as a running change for late 2009 & 2010 Genesis sedans. I doubt that Hyundai will admit to the change as that would open them up to admitting there was a problem and numerous 2009 Genesis owners demanding a retrofit for their vehicles. While this is exactly what should happen, I doubt that Hyundai will expose themselves to the costs involved.

 

[jwaters943]

What's with the playground name calling guys? Can't we all just get along?

Okay, fair enough. Sorry for being a smartass. I can't help myself.

I'm sure Mark is a great guy, but his initial response to me was a bit condescending.

As far as the suspension issue, they've been replacing the shocks on the Azera for years now due to complaints. They should do everything within reason to try and keep their customers satisfied. For the record, I have no suspension issues on my Genesis.

______________________________

Help support this site so it can continue supporting you!

 

[Mark_888]

For the record, I have no suspension issues on my Genesis.

Just curious, if they do make some adjustments available to 2009 owners at no charge, does that mean you would refuse them?

As I have said many times, my intuition tells me that (in most cases) those in denial about suspension problems are going to be first in line to get the changes.

 

[CanukV6]

As I have said many times, my intuition tells me that (in most cases) those in denial about suspension problems are going to be first in line to get the changes.

Who says anybody is "in denial" ?
Have you considered that maybe some people have yet to experience the jarring oscillation that is the most often posted complaint about the Genesis Sedan suspension. After all, it is only certain road surfaces that cause the problem and 95%+ of the time I don't have any issues with my suspension either. Or maybe they already have the 'revised' suspension but don't know it. Another thing to think about that I have noticed, many of the people who don't seem to have any suspension problems, all live in warmer parts of the continent. As I have related in other threads, the problem is definitely more noticable in cool or cold conditions. Perhaps the shocks provide a more forgiving ride in hotter climates.

 

[sandy]

What's with the playground name calling guys? Can't we all just get along?

For all we may hear from Hyundai officially, the suspension 'fix' may already be implemented as a running change for late 2009 & 2010 Genesis sedans. I doubt that Hyundai will admit to the change as that would open them up to admitting there was a problem and numerous 2009 Genesis owners demanding a retrofit for their vehicles. While this is exactly what should happen, I doubt that Hyundai will expose themselves to the costs involved.

Wouldn't it be ironic if complaints are now coming from owners of vehicles with the secret suispension changes? Be careful what you wish for.

 

[sandy]

As I posted in another thread I start months ago regarding 2010 suspension changes, there will some tuning of the suspension. The Acting President of HMA personally tested and approved the changes months ago when I reported it. I didn't mention it in this thread becasue I thought it had been beat to death, and it is not really a "new" feature.

This sounds a bit too much like a "fact". Has this ever been confirmed by any other source? At Hyundai? Or in the automotive media? Or anywhere? And if I recall correctly, when you originally posted this rumor, you were astute enough to qualify it with modifiers such as "if true", "if it happens" etc.

 

[jwaters943]

Just curious, if they do make some adjustments available to 2009 owners at no charge, does that mean you would refuse them?

As I have said many times, my intuition tells me that (in most cases) those in denial about suspension problems are going to be first in line to get the changes.

I may be in denial about many things, but I'm a perfectionist when it comes to my cars. My Genesis rides no worse than my $60k Lexus GS430, so imagine my surprise when I find so many people unhappy w/ the ride of the Genesis. At this point I'm honestly wondering if this is not somehow a quality control issue relating to the suspension components.

Is the ride perfect under all conditions? Nope. Is it well above average? Yes. Would I like the ride to be a bit more settled over broken or uneven pavement/expansion joints? Yes. Would I be the first in line to get my suspension parts swapped out under warranty? Not a chance.

If after 6 months or so of hearing positive comments about the "new and improved" suspension I just might be interested. That is, if I hear the revisions dramatically enhance ride-quality without adversely effecting the handling characteristics of the vehicle. Until then, I'm in no rush. I think tires are a big part of the ride-quality issue. I know my snow tires provide a smoother, but noiser ride than the OEM Dunlops.

Also, and please take it FWIW, but I've had dozens of people in my car. Not a single person has commented on the ride being harsh, so I guess they all must be in denial too.

 

[Mark_888]

This sounds a bit too much like a "fact". Has this ever been confirmed by any other source? At Hyundai? Or in the automotive media? Or anywhere? And if I recall correctly, when you originally posted this rumor, you were astute enough to qualify it with modifiers such as "if true", "if it happens" etc.

HMA does not want to publicly discuss suspension changes until the 2010 is available and the 2009 stock is gone, so they are not going to confirm this. This should be obvious to just about everyone.

As far as my source, it came directly from the horses mouth so it is absolutely true that he said it, and was not second-hand information or rumor. There were about 25 witlessnesses (no media that I am aware of), but I don't know if any are members of this forum. I believe that all the witnesses were either HMA employees or Hyundai owners, but from what I could tell, only some of them were Genesis owners. My guess is that I was the only one taking notes at the time.

But just because he said it earlier this year, does not mean that I know for absolute certainty what will actually happen 7-9 months later when the 2010's actually hit dealer lots. For all I knew at the time, he could have changed his mind later on, or he could have lost is "acting" title and been overruled by someone else, overruled by Hyundai in Korea, etc. I can only report on what is said, not necessaryly what will happen.

I have also received more recent info from HMA that there will be suspension "tuning" for 2010 (as opposed to redesign of suspension) but that they are not making any commitments about retrofitting 2009 models, or who will pay for this (HMA or customer). This basically confirms what I was told and reported earlier this year, but this recent info is third-hand information that I recieved.

Also you may recall, my same source also claimed that 2010 Genesis sedan will have active crusie control and lane departure warning (probably on Tech Package).

 

[Mark_888]

I may be in denial about many things, but I'm a perfectionist when it comes to my cars. My Genesis rides no worse than my $60k Lexus GS430, so imagine my surprise when I find so many people unhappy w/ the ride of the Genesis. At this point I'm honestly wondering if this is not somehow a quality control issue relating to the suspension components.

Is the ride perfect under all conditions? Nope. Is it well above average? Yes. Would I like the ride to be a bit more settled over broken or uneven pavement/expansion joints? Yes. Would I be the first in line to get my suspension parts swapped out under warranty? Not a chance.

If after 6 months or so of hearing positive comments about the "new and improved" suspension I just might be interested. That is, if I hear the revisions dramatically enhance ride-quality without adversely effecting the handling characteristics of the vehicle. Until then, I'm in no rush. I think tires are a big part of the ride-quality issue. I know my snow tires provide a smoother, but noiser ride than the OEM Dunlops.

Also, and please take it FWIW, but I've had dozens of people in my car. Not a single person has commented on the ride being harsh, so I guess they all must be in denial too.

Any changes to the 2010 suspension will not turn the Genesis into a floater and it will still have a firm ride with good handling. However, it will ride better on rough roads, especially when not fully loaded. So yes, the revisions will enhance ride-quality without adversely effecting the handling characteristics of the vehicle. I can't say how "dramatic" the changes will be, because that depends on the roads your drive on, and how much your vehicle is loaded down. The claim that fixing the suspension problem will turn the car into a floater is a false dichotomy.

The current Genesis sedan actually rides better with a lot of passengers. With only the driver and maybe one small passenger, it currently rides like an empty 1970's RWD station wagon or pickup (rides much better with a full load than it does empty).

When I showed off my Genesis to friends, I usually had a total of 4 fairly beefy guys in the car, and that fixed most of the problems. But I also avoided rough roads just to be safe.

 

[Mark_888]

Wouldn't it be ironic if complaints are now coming from owners of vehicles with the secret suispension changes? Be careful what you wish for.

If you look at the survey done where manufactured date was reported, that does not seem to be the case. My Genesis was made in Oct 2008.

Also, the most recent info that I have "suggests" that the suspension tuning has not been slipstreamed into the 2009 model year production. This may be because it would require recertification of crash testing and/or EPA MPG testing for 2009 models affected (someone else on this forum mentioned this problem months ago).

 

[Vlad92]

I just got the September issue of Motor Trend. Here is what they say in the "new car buyer's guide":

"In its second year, the Genesis adds smart cruise control, which keeps the vehicle at a set time/distance from the car ahead, and an electronic parking brake. Touch-screen nav is new, Bluetooth connectivity has been expanded, and ultra premium leather now comes standard on more models. Note that the one-year complimentary subscription to Sirus XM Satellite Radio with NavTraffic has been reduced to a 90-day trial."

Base price range is estimated at: $33,400 to $38,400

 

[jwaters943]

Any changes to the 2010 suspension will not turn the Genesis into a floater and it will still have a firm ride with good handling. However, it will ride better on rough roads, especially when not fully loaded. So yes, the revisions will enhance ride-quality without adversely effecting the handling characteristics of the vehicle. I can't say how "dramatic" the changes will be, because that depends on the roads your drive on, and how much your vehicle is loaded down. The claim that fixing the suspension problem will turn the car into a floater is a false dichotomy.

The current Genesis sedan actually rides better with a lot of passengers. With only the driver and maybe one small passenger, it currently rides like an empty 1970's RWD station wagon or pickup (rides much better with a full load than it does empty).

When I showed off my Genesis to friends, I usually had a total of 4 fairly beefy guys in the car, and that fixed most of the problems. But I also avoided rough roads just to be safe.

First off, I never claimed that changing the suspension would "turn the car into a floater", so get off it. I merely inferred that it is a very distinct possibility that softening the suspension could negatively effect the handling of the car.

Second, I've never personally had more than 3 people in my car at once so I can't say how different the ride quality is when fully-loaded. With 3 adults on-board the ride is not noticeably different from when I'm in the car by myself.

Lastly, if you can't say with certainty how dramatic the difference in ride quality on the 2010 will be, it's pretty obvious you have no real inside knowledge on what specifically has been changed. Therefore you cannot say with certainty how the ride/handling balance will be effected.

Lets at least wait for:

A) these changes to be confirmed by Hyundai

or preferably

B) the 2010 Genesis to arrive at dealers

That way people can report on their impressions of the 2010 and we'll have something tangible to discuss instead of merely arguing over hearsay.