What's new for 2010 Genesis

[jwaters943]

I just got the September issue of Motor Trend. Here is what they say in the "new car buyer's guide":

"In its second year, the Genesis adds smart cruise control, which keeps the vehicle at a set time/distance from the car ahead, and an electronic parking brake. Touch-screen nav is new, Bluetooth connectivity has been expanded, and ultra premium leather now comes standard on more models. Note that the one-year complimentary subscription to Sirus XM Satellite Radio with NavTraffic has been reduced to a 90-day trial."

Base price range is estimated at: $33,400 to $38,400

Interesting about the leather. Don't all V8 models get the Premium Leather? I guess that means the V6 gets it now too, at least as an option.

It's worth nothing that they did not mention the suspension at all.

I kinda want a 2010 now!

 

[Mark_888]

It's worth nothing that they did not mention the suspension at all.

As already mentioned, the 2010 suspension fix is not a redesign of the current 5-way multi-link configuration, just an adjustment to fix a problem (probably just a change in spring rate or shock rate). Auto makers make all kinds of fixes to engines, transmissions, etc that they don't mention in advertising, especially while they are still trying to unload models that don't have those fixes (like the 2009 Genesis Sedan).

So the lack of mention of any suspension tuning for the 2010 model in the Motor Trend article is not worth noting.

 

[Mark_888]

Lastly, if you can't say with certainty how dramatic the difference in ride quality on the 2010 will be, it's pretty obvious you have no real inside knowledge on what specifically has been changed. Therefore you cannot say with certainty how the ride/handling balance will be effected.

You are wrong about what knowledge I have, although I cannot prove it to on this forum. Recent "inside" information is that the suspension tuning will not fundamentally change the nature of the ride and handling, just fix the problem on rough roads where it can sometimes loose control.

Some people who are looking for a transformation to a soft cushy ride may be disappointed, but I personally like a firm ride with excellent handling, so I am looking forward to the fix (if I can get it).

 

[smillerathome]

This is from a Hyundai Think Tank employee in the Genesis Sedan Discussion forum:

Hello! Hope this answers your questions.

For the 2010 Genesis sedan, the additional features and revisions from the 2009 model are:
o Standard integrated Bluetooth that works with the car audio system
o Re-tuned suspension on the 3.8 V6 and the 4.6 V8; Changed bushings, spring rates, shocks
o Smart (adaptive) cruise control and electronic parking brake with automatic vehicle hold included with the Technology package for the 3.8 and 4.6
o Touch-screen navigation available on 3.8 and standard on base 4.6​

 

[jwaters943]

You are wrong about what knowledge I have, although I cannot prove it to on this forum. Recent "inside" information is that the suspension tuning will not fundamentally change the nature of the ride and handling, just fix the problem on rough roads where it can sometimes loose control.

Some people who are looking for a transformation to a soft cushy ride may be disappointed, but I personally like a firm ride with excellent handling, so I am looking forward to the fix (if I can get it).

So now you say you have inside information. Fair enough.

What's clear, unless you backtrack again, is that you don't know for certain how the 2010 rides/handles compared to the 2009. You haven't driven it. You're merely reporting on what you've heard from others. How can you be so certain of something you have yet to experience first-hand? You criticize me for believing certain publications who stated the 2010 Genesis would get an 8-speed auto, yet you expect me to buy everything you're trying to sell me, hook, line and sinker?

As they say....the proof is in the pudding. Only time will tell what significant effect(s) the suspension changes have made to the ride/handling of the Genesis.

 

[LLT]

Ride quality is so very subjective, I'm not surprised it's become such a huge debate. I think mine (10/08) rides too firm, yet I had one of my employees take it to the dealer for me as I'm unable to, and he commented it seemed too floaty. Everybody likes what they like, has different standards and their idea of what "perfect" is. I don't think it's so much a quality control problem as difference in standards and opinions.

I'm interested in the "re-tuned suspension" on the 2010. Incidentally, the bushings have been a huge headache for me... they are hopefully replacing mine as we speak - I hope with the new/updated parts. I do know the lower control arm was revised and I now have that. Assuming I keep the car, I'll undoubtedly swap the springs and struts based on how I feel the 2010 drives. I can do the work myself, so I'd "only" be out the parts.

Other than that... I don't see anything that would prompt me to upgrade. I don't think touchscreen would be a good fit for this car IMO - it's too far out of reach to be practical. I've had adaptive cruise on my Lexus and Cadillac STS - didn't like it very much to be honest. I suspect other enhancements will be purely software based (maybe bluetooth address book support!) and we can upgrade our 09's.

 

[Mark_888]

So now you say you have inside information. Fair enough.

What's clear, unless you backtrack again, is that you don't know for certain how the 2010 rides/handles compared to the 2009. You haven't driven it. You're merely reporting on what you've heard from others. How can you be so certain of something you have yet to experience first-hand? You criticize me for believing certain publications who stated the 2010 Genesis would get an 8-speed auto, yet you expect me to buy everything you're trying to sell me, hook, line and sinker?

As they say....the proof is in the pudding. Only time will tell what significant effect(s) the suspension changes have made to the ride/handling of the Genesis.

What I said is the HMA has said that the fundamental nature of the car handling will not change. I have no reason to doubt them (as you constantly doubt me). If you don't want to believe what HMA says, then that is your choice.

Regarding the 8-speed auto transmission, all I said is that the articles after Dec 2008 reported that it will be 2011 or later. So if you stack up all the reports about the 8-speed, and the 2008 articles say 2010, and all the newer articles from 2009 say 2011 or later, then common sense suggests that you should not count on 2010 being the model year that the 8-speed will be available.

 

[Mark_888]

Ride quality is so very subjective, I'm not surprised it's become such a huge debate. I think mine (10/08) rides too firm, yet I had one of my employees take it to the dealer for me as I'm unable to, and he commented it seemed too floaty. Everybody likes what they like, has different standards and their idea of what "perfect" is. I don't think it's so much a quality control problem as difference in standards and opinions.

In some sense I think the 2009 is a bit floaty because the steering is not all that precise. Could be the tires, not sure. Or maybe there is some kind of alignment problem (many have commented on this). Maybe that is what he meant when he said "floaty", as opposed to a soft suspension. When driving on a smooth road, no one is going to say that the 2009 Genesis Sedan has a suspension problem.

As Car and Driver noted, the BMW and Infinity M both have stiffer suspensions than the Genesis, but they don't loose control on the rough roads as the Genesis does.

The whole dichotomy between firm vs soft ride and the Genesis suspension problem is a false analysis of the issue IMO. The 2009 Genesis is not too stiff, it is just not tuned properly unless the car is completely weighted down with its full load capacity.

 

[LLT]

I'm very curious to see if the tires change on the 2010. The Hyundai reps have told me there's been complaints. I've been to 3 Hyundai dealerships, a Goodyear dealer and NTB -- all have told me Dunlops are Good Year's midgrade tire and the one on the Genesis is a junk OE tire (one Hyundai dealer said "I was shocked to see Dunlop on the Genesis. The Sonata even has Michelin." The Good Year dealer and NTB both told me that they can nearly guarantee the quirky alignment issues (oversensitivity to the crown in the road) will be significantly better when those tires wear out and I get good ones on it. I'm curious to see if they're right and/or if Hyundai uses Michelin or something a bit better on the 10's.

 

[JPW]

This is from a Hyundai Think Tank employee in the Genesis Sedan Discussion forum:

Hello! Hope this answers your questions.

For the 2010 Genesis sedan, the additional features and revisions from the 2009 model are:
o Standard integrated Bluetooth that works with the car audio system
o Re-tuned suspension on the 3.8 V6 and the 4.6 V8; Changed bushings, spring rates, shocks
o Smart (adaptive) cruise control and electronic parking brake with automatic vehicle hold included with the Technology package for the 3.8 and 4.6
o Touch-screen navigation available on 3.8 and standard on base 4.6​

I really hope this is accurate. It would be Christmas came early for me

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[jwaters943]

What I said is the HMA has said that the fundamental nature of the car handling will not change. I have no reason to doubt them (as you constantly doubt me). If you don't want to believe what HMA says, then that is your choice.

Regarding the 8-speed auto transmission, all I said is that the articles after Dec 2008 reported that it will be 2011 or later. So if you stack up all the reports about the 8-speed, and the 2008 articles say 2010, and all the newer articles from 2009 say 2011 or later, then common sense suggests that you should not count on 2010 being the model year that the 8-speed will be available.

So now it's the date of the articles I quoted that is in question. I thought your original argument stated that I was relying on unreliable sources for my information. Now it's the dates. Why not just say that in the first place? Searching the internet I would have to agree with your most recent assessment. It still doesn't change the fact that I'm a bit bummed about the 8-speed not making it for 2010, but I absolutely understand why Hyundai chose to wait. Still, it would have been nice, don't you think? The 8-speed auto could have potentially lead to quicker 0-60 times for the V8. Something it needs to better differentiate it's performance from the that of the V6.

As far as what HMA says, again, we shall see. FWIW, Hyundai also claimed to have "fixed" the suspension in the Azera 2-3 times now, but there are still unhappy owners. Search an Azera forum sometime if you don't believe me. I'm just personally not ready to say the new suspension is better without so much as a test drive.

And since I know you will reply to this post I'm going to do everyone else in this thread a favor and let you have the last word, which you obviously so desperately crave. Enjoy your weekend!

 

[CanukV6]

I'm interested in the "re-tuned suspension" on the 2010. Incidentally, the bushings have been a huge headache for me... they are hopefully replacing mine as we speak - I hope with the new/updated parts. I do know the lower control arm was revised and I now have that. Assuming I keep the car, I'll undoubtedly swap the springs and struts based on how I feel the 2010 drives. I can do the work myself, so I'd "only" be out the parts.

LLT: Can you please clarify what you mean by "the bushings have been a huge headache for me..." Were they faulty and replaced under warranty? Have you had any indication from your dealer that Hyundai is willing to change/upgrade suspension components on your 2009 Genesis to improve the intermittent ride problems?

 

[CanukV6]

And since I know you will reply to this post I'm going to do everyone else in this thread a favor and let you have the last word, which you obviously so desperately crave. Enjoy your weekend!

ZYMOTIC ! There, I beat Mark_888 to the post.
At least that's the last word in my Oxford English Dictionary (although it is a bit dated).

 

[Mark_888]

It still doesn't change the fact that I'm a bit bummed about the 8-speed not making it for 2010, but I absolutely understand why Hyundai chose to wait. Still, it would have been nice, don't you think? The 8-speed auto could have potentially lead to quicker 0-60 times for the V8. Something it needs to better differentiate it's performance from the that of the V6.

The only thing I can imagine is that you are associated with Hyundai or a Hyundai dealer somehow. Why else would a 2009 owner be so obsessed with the transmission in the 2010 model?

Of course the suspension issue is different, because some of us are hoping to retrofit our 2009 suspension with 2010 parts, something that I cannot even imagine doing for the transmission.

 

[Mark_888]

Who says anybody is "in denial" ?
Have you considered that maybe some people have yet to experience the jarring oscillation that is the most often posted complaint about the Genesis Sedan suspension. After all, it is only certain road surfaces that cause the problem and 95%+ of the time I don't have any issues with my suspension either. Or maybe they already have the 'revised' suspension but don't know it. Another thing to think about that I have noticed, many of the people who don't seem to have any suspension problems, all live in warmer parts of the continent. As I have related in other threads, the problem is definitely more noticable in cool or cold conditions. Perhaps the shocks provide a more forgiving ride in hotter climates.

I agree with you about the weather, at least in my case. The ride is much better in the summer where I live. I am not looking forward to the winter months again without some changes. It is interesting that the North American Genesis suspension design and tuning was done at the Southern California Hyundai test and design facility. I saw a video about this subject where the person in charge of the suspension tuning was talking about it. Maybe they should have done the tuning in a colder climate.

With regard to how often the problem occurs, it just depends on the road surface. Some road surfaces are flat, and others are rough or wavy in a way that exacerbates osculations in the suspension.

 

[dataguy]

The only thing I can imagine is that you are associated with Hyundai or a Hyundai dealer somehow. Why else would a 2009 owner be so obsessed with the transmission in the 2010 model?

I'm really tired of hearing both of you snipe at each other. Let it go. Who cares if someone is obsessed or wants to have the last word? Let them and move on. I'd prefer that this thread be open rather than locked.

 

[jwaters943]

dataguy:

Agreed.

 

[Mark_888]

I'm really tired of hearing both of you snipe at each other. Let it go. Who cares if someone is obsessed or wants to have the last word? Let them and move on. I'd prefer that this thread be open rather than locked.

I don't care if he is obsessed, but I was just wondering why. However, he has assured me (via PM) that he does not work for or sell Hyundai's, so I will retract that suggestion.

As I mentioned to him in the PM, I can understand why a 2009 Genesis owner might want the 8-speed for 2011, 2012 or beyond if they expected to trade-in the car after a few years for a new one, but surely no one is going to trade a 2009 for 2010 (especially if they like the 2009 suspension).

My take on the tranny release date is that product reliability is job one for Hyundai, and they will release it when it is ready.

 

[Sparky09]

Newbie here - don't own the Genesis, but would like to...

What does it mean when it says that the 2010 model Bluetooth will be "integrated with the car audio system?"

Thanks in advance.

 

[dataguy]

What does it mean when it says that the 2010 model Bluetooth will be "integrated with the car audio system?"

Unless you have the Technology Package, the 2009 Genesis uses an independent Bluetooth speaker system that replaces the sunglasses holder in the headliner. No audio system mute, no number display, no phone book. Basically, a standalone system.