Will you buy the new 2015 or wait??

[Midnightsun]

Maybe you are not aware, but Hyundai is a South Korean company, and that is where the Genesis is made.

Very well aware of where it's made. Just seems like everything cheap on eBay ships from China nowadays, honest mistake. Regardless, shipping from either China or Korea is a month to Canada.

 

[Mark_888]

Very well aware of where it's made. Just seems like everything cheap on eBay ships from China nowadays, honest mistake. Regardless, shipping from either China or Korea is a month to Canada.

The wings are OEM parts from the Korean version of the Genesis. It is possible they are made in China, but they can only be purchased from Hyundai dealers in Korea (or some other country that sells the Genesis where the wings are standard equipment) and shipped to North America.

 

[Midnightsun]

I don't know what the AWD V8 gas mileage will be, but when comparing the RWD V6 and V8, the difference is more than 2 MPG on the US version.

EPA Mileage at http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbsSelect

• 2015 Genesis RWD 3.8L V6 - 22 mpg combined (18 city, 29 highway)
• 2015 Genesis RWD 5.0L V8 - 18 mpg combined (15 city, 23 highway)
• 2015 Genesis AWD 3.8L V6 - 19 mpg combined (16 city, 25 highway)

8,000 miles per year is quite low for the average American driver, and they tend to drive a fair number of highway miles. But for someone in your situation, even $300 or more per year more for gas is not a big deal. It looks like the AWD 5.0L mileage is going to be brutal, but we will have to wait for Canadian KPG numbers since the US version will be awhile.

Found some figures for the V8 AWD.

14 city and 22 highway so basically the V8 is about 1 mpg more compared to the V6 AWD. The actual conversion came to 13.6 and 22.4 but they do round them out so I did the same.

Makes sense since the V8 has so much power it hardly sees the addition of the AWD. Similar numbers can be seen on the Chrysler 300 when comparing AWD V6 to V8 and the same large increase when AWD is added to the V6 model we see here on the Genesis.

If these numbers are in fact true, there is hardly any difference in consumption between a V6 equipped AWD and a V8 AWD. Regardless they both suck gas with a bigger straw.

http://www.wheels.ca/new-cars/2015-hyundai-genesis-4dr-all-wheel-drive-sedan-5-0-ultimate/

 

[tompass]

I was thinking more like 13 in city. Now tell me when it will be available in States..

 

[italiabrain]

Found some figures for the V8 AWD.
14 city and 22 highway so basically the V8 is about 1 mpg more compared to the V6 AWD. The actual conversion came to 13.6 and 22.4 but they do round them out so I did the same...

Thanks for the info. I wonder if they use the same final drive ratio on the V8 whether it's RWD or AWD and they use a shorter one for the V6 AWD than the V6 RWD. That would definitely explain the V6 taking a bigger penalty if so. It might also cause the AWD V6 to have a better 0-60 than the RWD if they both do it in 3rd gear.

If the hit would only be about 1mpg, then I would seriously consider the AWD V8 if they offer it in the US. $2500 isn't a terrible deal considering the packaged options. I would also want to see the warranty info to see what parts of the AWD system are considered excluded normal wear parts.

 

[Mark_888]

I would also want to see the warranty info to see what parts of the AWD system are considered excluded normal wear parts.

Here is some info on the Hyundai Transmission/Transaxle Warranty on 2014 vehicles (some of which have AWD) :

TRANSMISSION/TRANSAXLE
Case and all internal parts, axle shafts (front/rear), constant velocity joints, front/rear hub bearings, propeller shafts, seals and gaskets, torque converter and converter housing and clutch cover and housing, transfer case for Santa Fe, Tucson and rear differential for Santa Fe, Tucson and Genesis.​

 

[italiabrain]

Here is some info on the Hyundai Transmission/Transaxle Warranty on 2014 vehicles (some of which have AWD) :

TRANSMISSION/TRANSAXLE
Case and all internal parts, axle shafts (front/rear), constant velocity joints, front/rear hub bearings, propeller shafts, seals and gaskets, torque converter and converter housing and clutch cover and housing, transfer case for Santa Fe, Tucson and rear differential for Santa Fe, Tucson and Genesis.​

Right, I've seen this before. It just doesn't have the info needed. The design of the new AWD system is new to Hyundai and it's unclear whether the wet clutches of the Magna AWD system will be treated like a user-controlled clutch (not covered) or like the transfer case on the 4wd models (covered) or the computer-controlled rear differential clutch (covered). It is in-between these items in terms of average wear and function. It's not directly user operated so it's not prone to wear due to improper launch or driving with a foot resting on the clutch pedal, but it's also a friction surface as opposed to the geared interface in a transfer case. Really it seems most similar to the rear differential (covered), but who knows how they'll classify it.

If they don't specifically name the new components in the AWD system in the warranty, then the highest failure part of the new AWD system will be totally without warranty coverage.

 

[tompass]

I want to drive the new Acura RLX Hybrid Sport before making a decision. I have a feeling that the AWD V6 performance may be lacking but hope I am wrong. Would love to see sub 6 second runs from 0-60.

 

[italiabrain]

I want to drive the new Acura RLX Hybrid Sport before making a decision. I have a feeling that the AWD V6 performance may be lacking but hope I am wrong. Would love to see sub 6 second runs from 0-60.

I will likely look at one too, but I think the system would be much more appealing if the gas engine were attached to the rears and the fronts were powered by the electric motors. It would also be better paired to a TL/TLX sized car imo. Reviews have made the RLX hybrid sound underwhelming at best.

 

[tompass]

The reviews I have read have been very positive. More so than the RLX without AWD. Performance looks to be real strong. Let's see what the V6 Hyundai can do,

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[Cut-Throat]

This settles the Original Poster's Question for me!

 

[Mark_888]

This settles the Original Poster's Question for me!

Nice roof.

 

[scottdk]

Cut-Throat I hate you So fu**ing tempted to do the same, but that would be a poor decision on my part with only 39,000 miles on my 2009. I probably will keep mine until the 3rd gen is out and see what it's all about.....

 

[Cut-Throat]

Cut-Throat I hate you So fu**ing tempted to do the same, but that would be a poor decision on my part with only 39,000 miles on my 2009. I probably will keep mine until the 3rd gen is out and see what it's all about.....

Ha!

My 2011 was perfect. So, I had to do it again!

 

[Ernie3647]

One picture is worth a thousand words !

https://www.hyundaigenesis.com/design-studio#caspian-black

 

[tompass]

After researching any number of AWD cars for last three months and although I have really enjoyed owning my '11 4.6, I made the move to a CPO '13 Lexus GS350 AWD B/B. Deal was just too good including the 3 year 100K mile full coverage warranty to pass up, particularly after driving the car. I think the '15 3.8 AWD will be a great car with more tech than almost any other new car but in the end I was buying a car and not a computer. The MSRP of new Genesis puts into a entirely new class for cross shopping. The one reservation I had with 3.8 is performance. Did not want to move from a car that reportedly does 0-60 in 5.3 to another that may be in mid to high 6's. I will continue to visit this forum and can not wait to hear all the great reports about the '15.

 

[Cut-Throat]

After researching any number of AWD cars for last three months and although I have really enjoyed owning my '11 4.6, I made the move to a CPO '13 Lexus GS350 AWD B/B. Deal was just too good including the 3 year 100K mile full coverage warranty to pass up, particularly after driving the car. I think the '15 3.8 AWD will be a great car with more tech than almost any other new car but in the end I was buying a car and not a computer. The MSRP of new Genesis puts into a entirely new class for cross shopping. The one reservation I had with 3.8 is performance. Did not want to move from a car that reportedly does 0-60 in 5.3 to another that may be in mid to high 6's. I will continue to visit this forum and can not wait to hear all the great reports about the '15.

I just got rid of my 07 GS350..... Obviously the interior and Trunk room were not a concern for you.

 

[Midnightsun]

After researching any number of AWD cars for last three months and although I have really enjoyed owning my '11 4.6, I made the move to a CPO '13 Lexus GS350 AWD B/B. Deal was just too good including the 3 year 100K mile full coverage warranty to pass up, particularly after driving the car. I think the '15 3.8 AWD will be a great car with more tech than almost any other new car but in the end I was buying a car and not a computer. The MSRP of new Genesis puts into a entirely new class for cross shopping. The one reservation I had with 3.8 is performance. Did not want to move from a car that reportedly does 0-60 in 5.3 to another that may be in mid to high 6's. I will continue to visit this forum and can not wait to hear all the great reports about the '15.

Never even sat in A Lexus GS before however according to this review

There’s plenty of power on tap and the car is nimble enough, but the comparable BMW 550i is more rewarding to drive. However, the Genesis gets very close to the Mercedes-Benz E550, and it blows the Lexus GS out of the water (unless you’re looking at the F-Sport).

 

[ksoze]

Never even sat in A Lexus GS before however according to this review

Hey, the guy made a decision and gave us his reasons - ok by me. I wish him well and would not question his personal choice. Would be good to hear his views on his new GS and also share with him how experiences go here with the yet unknown car.

 

[Midnightsun]

Hey, the guy made a decision and gave us his reasons - ok by me. I wish him well and would not question his personal choice. Would be good to hear his views on his new GS and also share with him how experiences go here with the yet unknown car.

How can he give us his experiences when nobody here has a Genesis 2015 to compare to? The Lexus GS may be much better in many respects than a gen 1 but I do believe his choice was because of AWD. Now that the Genesis offers awd the game has changed and this is the 2015 section.