YES your Genesis can SELF DRIVE!!!

[84Jeeper]

I would agree with most of what you state. And CEO Hotz says you should be scared and paying attention!

I agree it's like cruise control for the wheel.... one might call it super cruise (LOL).

The only thing I really disagree with is that that OP fails often. On surface streets yes it's little more than watch that wheel close because it's gonna mess up sometime and probably soon. However, it shines on interstate highways. I do long drives where it never fails at all. I do have to steer around tire tread in the lane, and avoid trucks, assist it through construction zones, and such as that. However, those things are currently not within the design parameters of OP.

I see OP as good for 2 groups of folks.
1. Those that want to see what the next tech is, understand it's limitations, and are willing to use it within it's design envelope.
2. Oddly enough, for those that are just the opposite such as my mom. I had her use it on a long drive across the desert knowing she would never take her hands off the wheel, but OP was always watching and had she become incapacitated or distracted for a short time it would have kept the car on the road.

It is definitely NOT recommended for those who think it's a full package self driving car that you can set and forget...nobody makes one of those just yet and likely won't anytime soon (and when they do it won't be a cellphone mounted on the window).

...and before anyone points out the obvious title of this thread please know that I could have used something like "Your Genesis can do Lane Keep Assist even better than it does" but really would that be very interesting?

 

[DarinG90]

I would agree with most of what you state. And CEO Hotz says you should be scared and paying attention!

I agree it's like cruise control for the wheel.... one might call it super cruise (LOL).

The only thing I really disagree with is that that OP fails often. On surface streets yes it's little more than watch that wheel close because it's gonna mess up sometime and probably soon. However, it shines on interstate highways. I do long drives where it never fails at all. I do have to steer around tire tread in the lane, and avoid trucks, assist it through construction zones, and such as that. However, those things are currently not within the design parameters of OP.

I see OP as good for 2 groups of folks.
1. Those that want to see what the next tech is, understand it's limitations, and are willing to use it within it's design envelope.
2. Oddly enough, for those that are just the opposite such as my mom. I had her use it on a long drive across the desert knowing she would never take her hands off the wheel, but OP was always watching and had she become incapacitated or distracted for a short time it would have kept the car on the road.

It is definitely NOT recommended for those who think it's a full package self driving car that you can set and forget...nobody makes one of those just yet and likely won't anytime soon (and when they do it won't be a cellphone mounted on the window).

...and before anyone points out the obvious title of this thread please know that I could have used something like "Your Genesis can do Lane Keep Assist even better than it does" but really would that be very interesting?

Yep, I think we're on the same page. The hype around these systems, including Openpilot (such as your title, as you noted) needed a bit of a reality check. All good!

 

[PMCErnie]

After watching that Las Vegas video, I’d agree that the current product is not so Hotz. Sticking a camera behind the rearview mirror doesn’t do it for me. I’ll wait for the built-in OEM offerings.

 

[84Jeeper]

After watching that Las Vegas video, I’d agree that the current product is not so Hotz. Sticking a camera behind the rearview mirror doesn’t do it for me. I’ll wait for the built-in OEM offerings.

A valid decision, just so you know you may be waiting for a while and still not get a product that is as good as the "cellphone on the window" which I have to agree seems pretty REALLY crazy. I mean we already see the OEMs using Highway Driving Assist, and Lane Follow Assist, which are similar stop gap measures that have all the faults folks here point out and still don't work as well as OP.

For all those that think a full self driver is just around the corner (and I don't think that is anyone reading this thread) you might want to watch the following... As another member here posted it's a good reality check on the state of this tech (and I found it interesting).

 

[DarinG90]

A valid decision, just so you know you may be waiting for a while and still not get a product that is as good as the "cellphone on the window" which I have to agree seems pretty REALLY crazy. I mean we already see the OEMs using Highway Driving Assist, and Lane Follow Assist, which are similar stop gap measures that have all the faults folks here point out and still don't work as well as OP.

For all those that think a full self driver is just around the corner (and I don't think that is anyone reading this thread) you might want to watch the following... As another member here posted it's a good reality check on the state of this tech (and I found it interesting).

Sadly true. After quite a run of very fast advancements since 2016 - enough to convince some very smart people that full-autonomy was surely on the horizon by the mid 2020s (or even before) - it now appears a much tougher problem to solve.

But.., that said, now that I see where this tech fails, I also have found out where it excels, and how to best use it. I treat it like a better cruise control. Awesome in stop n go traffic, and awesome if I get distracted on the highway too. I don't try to just let it drive me, it can't, but it sure is great as an ever-watchfull assistant when I try to find my sunglasses!

 

[EdP]

Sadly true. After quite a run of very fast advancements since 2016 - enough to convince some very smart people that full-autonomy was surely on the horizon by the mid 2020s (or even before) - it now appears a much tougher problem to solve.

But.., that said, now that I see where this tech fails, I also have found out where it excels, and how to best use it. I treat it like a better cruise control. Awesome in stop n go traffic, and awesome if I get distracted on the highway too. I don't try to just let it drive me, it can't, but it sure is great as an ever-watchfull assistant when I try to find my sunglasses!

Autonomous driving has been around for decades. GM did it with the Firebird.
It could be made easier by spending billions for better highway markings, road signs, traffic signals to a standard easily recognized by whatever device is used. GM had a section of highway fitted for self driving years ago too.

Start at 2:00

 

[DarinG90]

Autonomous driving has been around for decades. GM did it with the Firebird.
It could be made easier by spending billions for better highway markings, road signs, traffic signals to a standard easily recognized by whatever device is used. GM had a section of highway fitted for self driving years ago too.

Start at 2:00

Hehe, well... being "technically correct" is the worst form of correct. I could say that fully-autonomous steering has been around since the 1800's - they called it a train. It was so good at it, in fact, that they didnt even have to install a steering wheel!

Technically correct, I suppose, but doesn't add much to the conversation.

I think we all are roughly working with the same definition of what fully-autonomous autos are. Re-creating the entire roadway infrastructure of the entire US (not just highways, but city streets, parking lots, drive-thrus, etc. etc.) isnt likely to be a remotely plausible solution.

 

[84Jeeper]

Well, as I see it the main difference from 1956 to now is that even when using OP I don't really want to break out into song......

I mean it's good and all but, can't say it inspires me to sing.

 

[PMCErnie]

Hehe, well... being "technically correct" is the worst form of correct. I could say that fully-autonomous steering has been around since the 1800's - they called it a train. It was so good at it, in fact, that they didnt even have to install a steering wheel!

Technically correct, I suppose, but doesn't add much to the conversation.

I think we all are roughly working with the same definition of what fully-autonomous autos are. Re-creating the entire roadway infrastructure of the entire US (not just highways, but city streets, parking lots, drive-thrus, etc. etc.) isnt likely to be a remotely plausible solution.

Actually, autonomous driving goes back to the goat, dog, or horse, cart. Ancient drunken man climbed into the cart and the animal drove him home while he slept.

 

[Jebblue]

What would be needed to get this going for a 2016 Hyundai Genesis 3.8 AWD Ultimate now that a harness is available? From the looks I need a comma 2 and the car wiring harness (Which one? A, B, C, D, or E?) ?

Much appreciated for the help!

I just installed a comma 2 on my 2016 Genesis 3.8l AWD Ultimate edition. You will need the J harness.

1. install time for me was about an hour because I took the fuse box cover off to access the ODB II port that the comma attaches to. Anyway you can’t use the fuse cover with the comma 2 in stock configuration. Use a Dremmel to remove the excess plastic from inside the fuse cover and perfect fit.

2. immediately took her out for a spin and the comma 2 couldn’t identify the car. I detonated. What a hunk of junk! Then I read I was supposed to have calibrated the camera. That took about three minutes out of my day and all I have to say is NEVER MIND, booted right up.

3. driving with it starts out with the usual driver incantation of “Hell No! You will never make that turn, oh hell no, hey,! Wow! That’s smooth driving.” So yes , take it on the road. Check it. Drive into sun. At night. In the rain. In the rain at night. Familiarize yourself with it. I was apprehensive, but now I am looking forward to each drive. Sitting up front enjoying the show and no alarm going off ordering me to touch the steering wheel or face electrocution.

4. I do have an axe to grind with Genesis. It’s the useless warranty. What the heck good is a warranty if the car never breaks down? As to Hyundai service at my dealer (Ettleson in La Grange, IL), you have all read the Hyundai the comments that after sale service sucks and I suppose it might be true at a dealer or two. . But not at my dealer. For instance, and it’s a small thing, I had them rotate my tires and asked them to set my tires to 34 PSI. They did exactly that. I inspected after and it was Not 33, 35, 35, 34, but rather 34, 34,34, 34.

5. Summation: Except for Apple Play, yes Genesis bit the big weenie on that fiasco, my Genesis is now declared older, infinitely reliable, and the driving experience is gone now. Replaced by the Comma 2 and OPENPilot. Comes with a great app, at least the iOS version is sweet. if you are on the fence just pull the trigger and buy one.

6. Before someone goes of on a rant how much money I’m making while Shilling for Comma.AI let me just say that you got my number. I am making a fortune posting this here. The fortune isn’t from Comma.Ai. The money I bring in is a third world fortune. . Most would call it what it is, a retirement check. I do verify I purchased the Comma 2 with my own money and Comma.AI Doesn‘t t even know I’m writing a favorable review. That said,if anyone from Comma.AI is reading this and wishes to shower me with freebies, bring them on. My morals are flexible and my ethics are situational.

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[Sebastian4k]

I just installed a comma 2 on my 2016 Genesis 3.8l AWD Ultimate edition. You will need the J harness.

1. install time for me was about an hour because I took the fuse box cover off to access the ODB II port that the comma attaches to. Anyway you can’t use the fuse cover with the comma 2 in stock configuration. Use a Dremmel to remove the excess plastic from inside the fuse cover and perfect fit.

2. immediately took her out for a spin and the comma 2 couldn’t identify the car. I detonated. What a hunk of junk! Then I read I was supposed to have calibrated the camera. That took about three minutes out of my day and all I have to say is NEVER MIND, booted right up.

3. driving with it starts out with the usual driver incantation of “Hell No! You will never make that turn, oh hell no, hey,! Wow! That’s smooth driving.” So yes , take it on the road. Check it. Drive into sun. At night. In the rain. In the rain at night. Familiarize yourself with it. I was apprehensive, but now I am looking forward to each drive. Sitting up front enjoying the show and no alarm going off ordering me to touch the steering wheel or face electrocution.

4. I do have an axe to grind with Genesis. It’s the useless warranty. What the heck good is a warranty if the car never breaks down? As to Hyundai service at my dealer (Ettleson in La Grange, IL), you have all read the Hyundai the comments that after sale service sucks and I suppose it might be true at a dealer or two. . But not at my dealer. For instance, and it’s a small thing, I had them rotate my tires and asked them to set my tires to 34 PSI. They did exactly that. I inspected after and it was Not 33, 35, 35, 34, but rather 34, 34,34, 34.

5. Summation: Except for Apple Play, yes Genesis bit the big weenie on that fiasco, my Genesis is now declared older, infinitely reliable, and the driving experience is gone now. Replaced by the Comma 2 and OPENPilot. Comes with a great app, at least the iOS version is sweet. if you are on the fence just pull the trigger and buy one.

6. Before someone goes of on a rant how much money I’m making while Shilling for Comma.AI let me just say that you got my number. I am making a fortune posting this here. The fortune isn’t from Comma.Ai. The money I bring in is a third world fortune. . Most would call it what it is, a retirement check. I do verify I purchased the Comma 2 with my own money and Comma.AI Doesn‘t t even know I’m writing a favorable review. That said,if anyone from Comma.AI is reading this and wishes to shower me with freebies, bring them on. My morals are flexible and my ethics are situational.

Use XPS fork on your C2. Makes the OP driving experience even better on your genesis. Also running it on my 16 ultimate.

 

[Jebblue]

Use XPS fork on your C2. Makes the OP driving experience even better on your genesis. Also running it on my 16 ultimate.

Lol, I am sure you are right. That said I don’t know an XPS Fork from a tuning fork from a forked tongue. I know the Android crowd loves to root devices and will even rewrite the latest Android OS version to their spec because why not? I am just a feeble minded iOS user that does whatever Apple tells me to do. You know, “want iOS 14? Click OK” and bang, done. So, yes I think you plan of action would be in my best interest But... is there a weblink for instance I can send the comma 2 to retrieve and self install? I’ll say this, loading openpilot and the comma 2 unboxing was an Apple like experience. In recommending the Comma 2 to Genesis owners I do so with no reservations

 

[inmanlanier]

Jebblue - this interested me until I saw what appeared to be large price tags. Can you share with me via this forum or in private what the total install cost you? I have a 2015 5.0. Thanks in advance.

 

[Suburbazine]

Jebblue - this interested me until I saw what appeared to be large price tags. Can you share with me via this forum or in private what the total install cost you? I have a 2015 5.0. Thanks in advance.

Should be around $1300 depending on tax and misc parts needed to wire in. There's no real expenditure other than the C2 and harness.

 

[inmanlanier]

thanks - that's what I concluded more or less. For the added convenience that's likely higher than I wish to expend. I guess the only good part is that the main device could go from vehicle to vehicle, yes?

 

[Jebblue]

Jebblue - this interested me until I saw what appeared to be large price tags. Can you share with me via this forum or in private what the total install cost you? I have a 2015 5.0. Thanks in advance.

My total cost was $1,199.00. That included the Comma 2 and the J harness both sent USPS Priority Mail. No sales tax was charged. Everything needed was in the box.

 

[Sebastian4k]

Lol, I am sure you are right. That said I don’t know an XPS Fork from a tuning fork from a forked tongue. I know the Android crowd loves to root devices and will even rewrite the latest Android OS version to their spec because why not? I am just a feeble minded iOS user that does whatever Apple tells me to do. You know, “want iOS 14? Click OK” and bang, done. So, yes I think you plan of action would be in my best interest But... is there a weblink for instance I can send the comma 2 to retrieve and self install? I’ll say this, loading openpilot and the comma 2 unboxing was an Apple like experience. In recommending the Comma 2 to Genesis owners I do so with no reservations

Download workbench on your pc:

Releases · jfrux/workbench

A desktop app to help aid on-boarding and porting vehicles to openpilot for the masses. - jfrux/workbench

github.com

Make sure your pc and comma are on the same wifi network and use workbench to gain ssh access to your comma.
Once you’re in you’ll be able to install a custom fork. I recommend xps fork found here

GitHub - xps-genesis/openpilot: openpilot is an open source driver assistance system. openpilot performs the functions of Automated Lane Centering and Adaptive Cruise Control for over 85 supported car makes and models.

openpilot is an open source driver assistance system. openpilot performs the functions of Automated Lane Centering and Adaptive Cruise Control for over 85 supported car makes and models. - xps-gene...

github.com

In depth Installation instructions found here.

Installing a Fork of Openpilot with Workbench

Diving Deeper into Workbench and Openpilot

medium.com

Come back and let me know how the new driving experience goes!

 

[Jebblue]

Download workbench on your pc:

Releases · jfrux/workbench

A desktop app to help aid on-boarding and porting vehicles to openpilot for the masses. - jfrux/workbench

github.com

Make sure your pc and comma are on the same wifi network and use workbench to gain ssh access to your comma.
Once you’re in you’ll be able to install a custom fork. I recommend xps fork found here

GitHub - xps-genesis/openpilot: openpilot is an open source driver assistance system. openpilot performs the functions of Automated Lane Centering and Adaptive Cruise Control for over 85 supported car makes and models.

openpilot is an open source driver assistance system. openpilot performs the functions of Automated Lane Centering and Adaptive Cruise Control for over 85 supported car makes and models. - xps-gene...

github.com

In depth Installation instructions found here.

Installing a Fork of Openpilot with Workbench

Diving Deeper into Workbench and Openpilot

medium.com

Come back and let me know how the new driving experience goes!

Wow, my wish was your command! Thank you so much for taking time to break this down Step by step for me and I suspect others will also appreciate.

 

[SuperKing]

I shot this a while ago, just didn't post it in this thread. It took a few months for me to tune out the ping pong but everything is good now.

 

[84Jeeper]

Ah, OP....it's a beautiful thing.

I recently drove from CA to TX with OP at the wheel (well, I was there to) and I can say that it was wonderful. I had 2 days of driving over 14 hours and I did not feel dead at the end of the day. Quite the contrary I could have kept on going, as long as OP was doing most of the work with me just monitoring.

Out on the interstate OP really shines. I just watch for construction zones (if they are marked well it can sometimes get through them), tire treads or other debris/potholes in the road, and the occasional driver that zips into my lane and slows down (OP can't fix the stock smart cruise control yet). All in all very competent.

I still find it hard to believe that a cell phone stuck on the windshield can do this.....