Thoughts on moving from 1st to 2nd gen. sedan

[waveman]

I'll preface this post by saying that I usually keep my cars at least eight years. I was planning to do the same with my '11 Genesis 4.6, which has only around 40k miles on it and is in great condition. However, the recent weather here in the South and the advent of several significant new features (AWD, emergency braking, HUD, blind spot detection, and others) and an improved ride on the '15 Genesis have me interested in trading in much sooner than I otherwise would have. I have several concerns:

• As I understand it, the engines are the same as or very similar to the current generation's, but most of the rest of the car's mechanical components are new. Hyundai made some significant changes to the suspension and ride over the first few years, and I wonder if it will be the same with this one.
  
• I haven't had any serious problems with electronics, though from reading this forum it seems like the Genesis has had more than its share (realizing that all cars have problems). The '15 Genny will have even more electronic components than before, so will reliability be an issue?
  
• It's still an open question as to when AWD will be available on the 8 cylinder model in the U.S., so anyone wanting AWD at the outset will be limited to the 3.8. I wonder if I'd be happy with the lower power engine after driving the V8 for a few years. There are times when it's good to be able to pull away from a bad situation quickly.

Of course, I'm the only one who will be in a position to decide if the '15 model's power, ride, features will be worth what would be an early upgrade for me, but I'd like to hear other people's opinions.

 

[radicaltimes]

Newer always has nicer options. But when you see how bad the deprecation is on a Hyundai
you might change your mind about getting a 2015.

 

[tompass]

I am not willing to move to V6 after experiencing the grunt of the V8. AWD would be nice but not at expense of giving up the V8.

 

[YEH]

Newer always has nicer options. But when you see how bad the deprecation is on a Hyundai
you might change your mind about getting a 2015.

Depreciation is mostly a by-product of transaction price from MSRP.

Those who got their savings up front by getting a significant discount from MSRP should hardly grip about the depreciation.

I expect that the discounts from MSRP to not be as good for the 2G Genesis, but at the same time that will help residual values.

I'll preface this post by saying that I usually keep my cars at least eight years. I was planning to do the same with my '11 Genesis 4.6, which has only around 40k miles on it and is in great condition. However, the recent weather here in the South and the advent of several significant new features (AWD, emergency braking, HUD, blind spot detection, and others) and an improved ride on the '15 Genesis have me interested in trading in much sooner than I otherwise would have. I have several concerns:

• As I understand it, the engines are the same as or very similar to the current generation's, but most of the rest of the car's mechanical components are new. Hyundai made some significant changes to the suspension and ride over the first few years, and I wonder if it will be the same with this one.
  
• I haven't had any serious problems with electronics, though from reading this forum it seems like the Genesis has had more than its share (realizing that all cars have problems). The '15 Genny will have even more electronic components than before, so will reliability be an issue?
  
• It's still an open question as to when AWD will be available on the 8 cylinder model in the U.S., so anyone wanting AWD at the outset will be limited to the 3.8. I wonder if I'd be happy with the lower power engine after driving the V8 for a few years. There are times when it's good to be able to pull away from a bad situation quickly.

Of course, I'm the only one who will be in a position to decide if the '15 model's power, ride, features will be worth what would be an early upgrade for me, but I'd like to hear other people's opinions.

I would at the very least wait until the 2016MY so that all the 1st yr bugs have been worked out.

New powerplants will probably arrive for the MCE.

The most common problem w/ the electronics seem to be w/ the Lexicon audio system, but Hyundai really has little control over that aside from switching suppliers from Harmon-Kardon.

 

[Mark_888]

Depreciation is mostly a by-product of transaction price from MSRP.

Those who got their savings up front by getting a significant discount from MSRP should hardly grip about the depreciation.

I expect that the discounts from MSRP to not be as good for the 2G Genesis, but at the same time that will help residual values.

WTF?

The most common problem w/ the electronics seem to be w/ the Lexicon audio system, but Hyundai really has little control over that aside from switching suppliers from Harmon-Kardon.

Anyone getting the Tech Package and will keep the car longer than 3 years should get the extended warranty from Hyundai. Even though the audio system is the most common problem, don't expect all the other stuff to last 8 years.

 

[Mark_888]

I'll preface this post by saying that I usually keep my cars at least eight years. I was planning to do the same with my '11 Genesis 4.6, which has only around 40k miles on it and is in great condition. However, the recent weather here in the South and the advent of several significant new features (AWD, emergency braking, HUD, blind spot detection, and others) and an improved ride on the '15 Genesis have me interested in trading in much sooner than I otherwise would have. I have several concerns:

• As I understand it, the engines are the same as or very similar to the current generation's, but most of the rest of the car's mechanical components are new. Hyundai made some significant changes to the suspension and ride over the first few years, and I wonder if it will be the same with this one.
  
• I haven't had any serious problems with electronics, though from reading this forum it seems like the Genesis has had more than its share (realizing that all cars have problems). The '15 Genny will have even more electronic components than before, so will reliability be an issue?
  
• It's still an open question as to when AWD will be available on the 8 cylinder model in the U.S., so anyone wanting AWD at the outset will be limited to the 3.8. I wonder if I'd be happy with the lower power engine after driving the V8 for a few years. There are times when it's good to be able to pull away from a bad situation quickly.

Of course, I'm the only one who will be in a position to decide if the '15 model's power, ride, features will be worth what would be an early upgrade for me, but I'd like to hear other people's opinions.

The 2015 will not be discounted much, especially compared to a 2014 model (or even a 2014 Equus). I think that the recent weather problems in the South have been magnified out of proportion. Next time just make sure the fridge is stocked and stay home for a few days (helps if you have recorded some movies, etc on your DVR that can you watch). My Genesis was parked in the garage for the past 5 days during the bad weather.

If you want a quick fix for your suspension, switch the rear stabilizer bar with a 2012+ version (about $125 for the part). Find a good independent suspension shop to do the labor for about $75. I assume you have already upgraded your tires from the OEM Dunlop's.

 

[waveman]

Thanks, everyone, for your comments. I'm going to test drive the 6 cylinder Genny when it appears. Aside from taking an overall look at all the changes, I want to see how it accelerates compared to my 4.6. (I don't think that I drove anything but the 4.6 before I bought my car.) I suspect that I'll be unhappy, but I may be surprised.

I think that the suggestion to wait for '16 makes sense, as does the recommendation to get an extended warranty. I didn't get one on mine, and though I've been lucky so far, there's no guarantee (pun intended).

Hopefully, I won't fall in love with the '15 when I see it... I'm sure many of you know what that's like.

 

[waveman]

The 2015 will not be discounted much, especially compared to a 2014 model (or even a 2014 Equus). I think that the recent weather problems in the South have been magnified out of proportion. Next time just make sure the fridge is stocked and stay home for a few days (helps if you have recorded some movies, etc on your DVR that can you watch). My Genesis was parked in the garage for the past 5 days during the bad weather.

If you want a quick fix for your suspension, switch the rear stabilizer bar with a 2012+ version (about $125 for the part). Find a good independent suspension shop to do the labor for about $75. I assume you have already upgraded your tires from the OEM Dunlop's.

Unfortunately, I work at a hospital and usually don't have the option of staying home in bad weather. The only really challenging situation I encountered recently was driving home after the first round of snow and ice a few weeks back. AWD definitely would have helped then. The rest of the time, my car was safely parked in the garage at work and I was parked in my office or a hotel room.

Truth be told, the ride isn't that much of an issue for me. I did change the OEM Dunlops for Bridgestones last year, and they've been good. However, I'm very interested in some of the tech in the '15, such as the auto braking feature. On the way home from work yesterday evening, a Jeep in front of me stopped, but the brake lights weren't working. I noticed at the last minute and managed to stop in time, but it would be nice to have backup automation for situations like that.

Thanks!

 

[Medusa]

I call my dealer every week to remind him that I get the 1st 2015 R. I won't give up the V8 for HTRAC.

 

[Mark_888]

I call my dealer every week to remind him that I get the 1st 2015 R. I won't give up the V8 for HTRAC.

Does that mean you are paying MSRP? Do we know for sure that there will be an R-Spec model? There may just be the 5.0 with optional adjustable suspension (with sport mode).

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[ShadowZ]

Living in MN, driving the V8, and if don't have any issues driving it in up to 8 inches of snow and ice. We have one AWD SUV and I prefer the Genny over it.

Maybe because it's something I am accustom to, but I never will understand how the south shuts down with a little snow.

 

[ksoze]

Maybe because it's something I am accustom to, but I never will understand how the south shuts down with a little snow.

Some of it has to do with the snow removal and salting equipment and some the inexperienced winter drivers. Northern states have the plans and hardware to handle snow - many of the southern states have minimal equipment, so the roads can be worse. That combined with cars with summer tires, drivers not use to ice and snow and you have a minor disaster in the making.

 

[waveman]

Some of it has to do with the snow removal and salting equipment and some the inexperienced winter drivers. Northern states have the plans and hardware to handle snow - many of the southern states have minimal equipment, so the roads can be worse. That combined with cars with summer tires, drivers not use to ice and snow and you have a minor disaster in the making.

True. Having lived in the snow belt for around 35 years, I can attest that the lack of resources to deal with even small amounts of snow and ice here in the south, coupled with driver inexperience and lack of snow tires, is the reason. Snowmageddon Part I a couple of weeks ago was a case in point. We got only an inch or so, but the roads weren't treated, so the snow melted and then re-froze (it was much colder than for last week's larger snowfall). Driving was impossible in most places well before nightfall.

 

[YEH]

WTF?

Residual value is calculated from MSRP and not ATP - so getting those deals on the Genesis hurts the residual value, but you get the savings up front.

The current Elantra and Sonata have considerably higher residual values than their predecessors and a big reason is that the ATPs have been closer to MSRP.

After the initial sales rush after launch, the 2G Genesis will eventually get some incentives/discounts - but likely won't see anywhere close to the discounts on the 1G Genesis.

So the downside is that the deals won't be as good (from MSRP), but should see higher resale on the other end.

Anyone getting the Tech Package and will keep the car longer than 3 years should get the extended warranty from Hyundai. Even though the audio system is the most common problem, don't expect all the other stuff to last 8 years.

Agreed - normally, I would not advise getting an extended warranty, but in the case of getting a car w/ all the bells and whistles, definitely would be worth it if one is going to keep the car for 7-8+ years.

Plus, can shop around and get a decent deal on the extended warranty.

 

[Mark_888]

Some of it has to do with the snow removal and salting equipment and some the inexperienced winter drivers. Northern states have the plans and hardware to handle snow - many of the southern states have minimal equipment, so the roads can be worse. That combined with cars with summer tires, drivers not use to ice and snow and you have a minor disaster in the making.

Having lived up north and also in the south, some of it has to do with the fact that in the south snow is more likely to turn into ice, due to the melting effect of the inherently warmer ground temps, and the subsequent freezing caused by cold air.

In any case, people in the south should just stay home on the relatively few days when it snows. It's not rocket science and not that big of a deal.

 

[Mark_888]

Living in MN, driving the V8, and if don't have any issues driving it in up to 8 inches of snow and ice. We have one AWD SUV and I prefer the Genny over it.

Maybe because it's something I am accustom to, but I never will understand how the south shuts down with a little snow.

In the south, there is no such thing as powder when it snows. Snow turns quickly to slush or ice depending on the air temps. Even when it is slush, it will likely freeze to ice at night.

 

[homeofstone]

Residual value is calculated from MSRP and not ATP - so getting those deals on the Genesis hurts the residual value, but you get the savings up front.

The current Elantra and Sonata have considerably higher residual values than their predecessors and a big reason is that the ATPs have been closer to MSRP.

After the initial sales rush after launch, the 2G Genesis will eventually get some incentives/discounts - but likely won't see anywhere close to the discounts on the 1G Genesis.

So the downside is that the deals won't be as good (from MSRP), but should see higher resale on the other end.






Agreed - normally, I would not advise getting an extended warranty, but in the case of getting a car w/ all the bells and whistles, definitely would be worth it if one is going to keep the car for 7-8+ years.

Plus, can shop around and get a decent deal on the extended warranty.

Buying an extended warranty also depends on the number of miles per year. In my case a bumper to bumper 100k extended warranty would have given me less than an additional two years after the first year. I now have almost 117k on my 2011 Genesis.

 

[Medusa]

Does that mean you are paying MSRP? Do we know for sure that there will be an R-Spec model? There may just be the 5.0 with optional adjustable suspension (with sport mode).

Not paying MSRP! There will be an R-Spec., there is some talk in Hyundai circles about the possibility of an N series a la Mercedes AMG. The N denoting their Namyang design bureau. R will remain the highest state of tune offered in normal production. HP is rumored to be down by an insignificant 9 HP to 420.

 

[Mark_888]

Not paying MSRP! There will be an R-Spec., there is some talk in Hyundai circles about the possibility of an N series a la Mercedes AMG. The N denoting their Namyang design bureau. R will remain the highest state of tune offered in normal production. HP is rumored to be down by an insignificant 9 HP to 420.

Yes, I have heard about the possibility of an AWD performance V8 that might not be available initially. But was not aware that anyone has seen the R-Spec yet. You must have a very good relationship with a dealer to get the first 2015 that comes in and not pay through the nose.

 

[PMCErnie]

Yes, don't want to burst anyone's bubble but the first ones always come with plenty of dealer added accessories, as well. That means more bucks.