333Hp? Why is Genesis so slow?

[chronic]

I test drove the 3.8L Genesis V6 and it didn't feel fast at all. It felt heavy, sluggish & unresponsive.

My friend has a Camry V6 with only 268hp and I'd say it would would walk all over the Genesis. The Camry V6 is quick, responsive and it accelerates with urgency. Plus it only has a 6-speed auto vs 8-speed for Genesis. But the Camry shifts much faster..

Anyone know the reason? Is Hyundai just fluffing the HP numbers?

 

[scottdk]

Most probably won't think the 333 HP V6 is slow, especially for the base engine which is detuned down from 348 HP. 0-60 5.4.

 

[jtbishop]

I have one of these and I would not say it is slow. Granted, the Genesis is a heavy car, but it does not lack in the acceleration department. It may be that the shifts are a bit less vigorous than what you feel in the Camry It may feel sedate, but my experience is that it moves quite well when you put your foot in it.

 

[blubyu]

The Genesis is about 500lbs heavier than the Camry. Without driving the Camry I'm sure its a lot more responsive feeling off the line but depending on what mph you ran the cars too I would probably give the edge to the Genesis after 30-40 due to the power and gearing.

Coming from a 335i and an IS350 the V6 Genesis does feel like a slug from a dig but it is a heavy car and very fuel efficient for its size/power. I will say the throttle response is pretty lacking on the Genesis compared to every other sedan I have owned. It still is much nicer and luxurious than any sedan I have owned as well so the tradeoffs are there.

 

[brfatal]

Genesis sedans have terrible gearing. It's geared completely for fuel economy, not performance. The V8s are proof of that. And having more gears does not mean faster. It's done so that no matter what speed you're going you're getting optimal gas mileage. More gears means slower in a drag race. The WRX for example is faster than an STI in a 1/4 mile run (not by much) despite a "40 hp" deficit due to having one less gear to shift.

 

[Philth]

Lots to be considered here.

Genesis = rear wheel drive.
Camry = front wheel drive.

Because of that, power loss at the wheel will be greater on the Genesis than on the Camry.

Also gearing should be considered.

Genesis = 8-speed
Camry= 6-speed

More gears = more shifts which = slower acceleration

Genesis Final Drive = 3.9 (slower acceleration)
Camry Final Drive = 3.458 (faster acceleration)

 

[PMCErnie]

Simply different gearing. The Genesis comes on like a rocket around 30 and above. If you want to be a stoplight racer, buy the Camry. If you want to win 0-60 and beyond, buy the Genesis.

 

[NSXNEXT]

Rags say
Camry 0-60 6.5 secs
Genesis 0-60 6.0

 

[tompass]

I don't imagine that the AWD V6 will get sub 6 second 0-60 times.

 

[radicaltimes]

Unless you are timing it you can not go by what it feels like when you accelerate. I had a 1988 Honda Civic that felt like you were kicking butt but it was not that quick, just felt that way.

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[genesis r spec]

im about to invest in a sprint booster for my r spec v8. i know it does not add power but my experience with sprint boosters are that they greatly improve the driving feel of the car (quicker throttle response). i am trying to think of ways to improve performance on my car. i too am not completely satisfied with the r spec, especially with putting out a quoted 429. i traded in my 2010 camry se v6 for my r spec. the camry was just as fast as my 2010 lexus 460. this i know from a few 1/2 mile digs on both of these vehicles. the lexus could not pull away form the 268 hp camry. the lexus is rated at 380 hp.

now back to the genesis. the r spec per the genesis brochure (motor trend), does 0-60 in 4.8 seconds which is very good. quarter mile in 13.1 @ 108. these are good numbers but in real world driving the car seems like it should be faster (passing times 30-100) for example. not saying that it is slow but with 429/376 it should be faster imo.

not much performance support for the r spec though. hopefully some ecu tuning (especially the tranny) is on the horizon (however i doubt it). a true cai and headers would help (again doubtful). im going to invest in dynomax vt's soon too. this is just for a little more "sound" because hp increase will be unnoticeable. wish we could do something with the gearing in the v8 too, but again, i doubt it.

anyone out there know of any other feasible, realistic mods that will improve our acceleration by at least 1/2 second all around the board? lol....pipe dream im sure...but you never know...maybe headers, a tune, cai and exhaust might put the r spec v8 close to 500 at the crank

 

[genesis r spec]

Rags say
Camry 0-60 6.5 secs
Genesis 0-60 6.0

the camry v6 is about 6.0 seconds flat...that i do know...quarter low to mid 14's trapping close to 100.

 

[TEF]

"Lots to be considered here.

Genesis = rear wheel drive.
Camry = front wheel drive.

Because of that, power loss at the wheel will be greater on the Genesis than on the Camry."

Not sure I understand the logic of the above. Where are we comparing the acceleration of these two cars, on snow? Typically, cars built to go fast in a straight line have rear wheel drive. I don't recall seeing many FWD cars at the drag strip. Moreover, how does rear wheel drive in the case of the Genesis translate in power loss at the wheels? Power loss of the Genesis due its RWD driveline mass would be offset (at least in part) by better weight transfer (i.e. less wheel spin) upon acceleration.

Also, not sure about the validity of 6-speed transmission being better than an 8-speed one. Under heavy acceleration, most auto trannies, remain in a lower gear (to aid in passing times).

It appears that the actual measured 0-60 times are better with the Genesis, so the Camry may just seem faster (i.e. it makes more noise and shifts harder).

 

[PMCErnie]

the camry v6 is about 6.0 seconds flat...that i do know...quarter low to mid 14's trapping close to 100.

6.6 per Edmunds.

 

[genesis r spec]

6.6 per Edmunds.

motor trend and car and driver...varies from high 5 second to 6 seconds range ...lots of different results....but mine was 6.0 ...the new camry v6 is trapping at 101 and under 6 seconds.. faster than 6.6 seconds ....2007-2011 camry se's are a just little slower than the 2012 and up models.....top speed i believe was about 147...

so not dispute the 6.6 seconds but that is a conservative test...the are much quicker results for the camry v-6...if u do more searching

 

[sooththetruth]

333Hp? Why is Genesis so slow?
I test drove the 3.8L Genesis V6 and it didn't feel fast at all. It felt heavy, sluggish & unresponsive.

I couldn't agree more. I have a 2010 290 HP V6 and the trade in offer was so good that I THOUGHT it was a no brainer to get the new one. That is until I test drove it.

The ride is better on the 2013 I drove, (I had replaced the suspension on mine because the stock 2010 just didn't satisfy me). But the throttle response was so slow THAT I FELT ALL THE FUN HAD BEEN SQUEEZED OUT OF THE CAR.

I still have my 2010, and there is no (Genesis) deal good enough for me to trade "down" to a new one.

Hyundai was really caught lying about gas mileage, and they did about my car, for sure. But the better numbers with the new vehicles have too high a cost. A V6 front wheel drive HONDA ACCORD blows the mileage and driveability of the NEW Genesis away.

Having said that, I have complained some about my 2010 before, but won't now. The new shocks are better enough (still the weakest part of the car), but the comfort, options, and the VERY EXCELLENT STEREO still thrill me about the car. The throttle response and the cornering shocks the friends of mine to whom I have loaned the car to. I like loaning it out because people always bring it back commenting at how much fun it is.

I just know that they changed the demographic of buyer that they are aiming at, because it no longer includes me.

 

[Philth]

"Lots to be considered here.

Genesis = rear wheel drive.
Camry = front wheel drive.

Because of that, power loss at the wheel will be greater on the Genesis than on the Camry."

Not sure I understand the logic of the above. Where are we comparing the acceleration of these two cars, on snow? Typically, cars built to go fast in a straight line have rear wheel drive. I don't recall seeing many FWD cars at the drag strip. Moreover, how does rear wheel drive in the case of the Genesis translate in power loss at the wheels? Power loss of the Genesis due its RWD driveline mass would be offset (at least in part) by better weight transfer (i.e. less wheel spin) upon acceleration.

Also, not sure about the validity of 6-speed transmission being better than an 8-speed one. Under heavy acceleration, most auto trannies, remain in a lower gear (to aid in passing times).

It appears that the actual measured 0-60 times are better with the Genesis, so the Camry may just seem faster (i.e. it makes more noise and shifts harder).

Just am simply stating that more HP is lost in RWD vehicles, when compared to FWD vehicles. I'm trying to help the OP understand why the Camry may feel like it accelerates nearly as fast as the Genesis with 60+ less horsepower.

 

[genesis r spec]

Just am simply stating that more HP is lost in RWD vehicles, when compared to FWD vehicles. I'm trying to help the OP understand why the Camry may feel like it accelerates nearly as fast as the Genesis with 60+ less horsepower.

according to "0-60 times" they have the 2012 camry v-6 tested at 0-60=5.7 seconds 1/4 mile =14.1 seconds. hope that helps

 

[genesis r spec]

Just am simply stating that more HP is lost in RWD vehicles, when compared to FWD vehicles. I'm trying to help the OP understand why the Camry may feel like it accelerates nearly as fast as the Genesis with 60+ less horsepower.

according to "0-60 times" the 2012 genesis v-6 sedan....0-60=5.4 seconds 1/4 mile =13.8 seconds...hope that helps

 

[zielritter]

according to "0-60 times" the 2012 genesis v-6 sedan....0-60=5.4 seconds 1/4 mile =13.8 seconds...hope that helps

I've yet to find where "0-60 times" got this information for the Genesis Sedan. They supposedly scour the web for reviews and report back a reliable number, but this one is a bit far-fetched for a stock V6, imo. I've read every review out there and came to the conclusion that one of their editors must have mistakenly attributed a Coupe time to the Sedan.

Hell, I barely got that time with intake and exhaust mods on the lightest weight V6 model. I peg a stock V6 at around 6 seconds flat, which is on par with the Camry I would say. Curious to see what the 2015 is capable of with less power but a supposedly more user-friendly torque curve.