2016 Hyundai Equus!!

[jim5359]

Here are some features that the current Equus has that the Genny Ultimate doesn't:
- Air Suspension
- More legroom
- Cooled rear seats w/ massage
- Power closing doors
- Rear entertainment system
- 3 yr 36K miles free maintenance
- Free concierge service (drop off loaner car at your home)
- No wait high priority service

It's possible for 2016 the Equus will get the 5.5l V8 used in the Korean Equus. And I'm sure Hyundai will think of additional features to differentiate it from the Genny. Before the recent Genny update the Equus had much higher quality materials and overall interior quality than the Genny. They will have to raise the bar with the 2016. But no doubt the Equus is largely a stretched version of the Genny, which appeals to a limited yet more wealthy audience who don't want to shell out the cash for a BMW 7 or Mercedes S.

 

[Mark_888]

Here are some features that the current Equus has that the Genny Ultimate doesn't:
- Air Suspension
- More legroom
- Cooled rear seats w/ massage
- Power closing doors
- Rear entertainment system
- 3 yr 36K miles free maintenance
- Free concierge service (drop off loaner car at your home)
- No wait high priority service.

My response to the items you raised in order:
- The Genesis V8 Ultimate has air suspension.
- A stretched Genesis would provide more legroom.
- A stretched Genesis with different seats could provide cooled rear seats w/massage (this may already be on KDM Genesis, not sure).
- The KDM Genesis already has Power closing doors.
- The KDM Genesis already has rear entertainment system, and could be upgraded if necessary to Equus specs.
- The last three items have nothing to do with the car, just service terms that could be offered on a stretched Genesis.

Bottom line is that a stretched Genesis V8 5.0L model could replace the Equus. I am not advocating this, nor do I have any inside information. I am just looking at what Lexus LS and BMW 7 series does with their stretch (L) models.

 

[ShawShank]

Hyundai..please keep equus alive!!! Do not turn it into a LARGE genny!!!

 

[jim5359]

First, the Genesis V8 Ultimate does NOT have air suspension. There is another discussion on this in this forum. One source erroneously claimed it does, but the Hyundai website has no mention of air suspension for the Genesis, yet it is clearly mentioned for the Equus. The Genesis does have active suspension, but that's not the same thing.

Second, my point is that the Equus essentially is a stretched Genesis with some differentiation. The Equus uses a stretched version of the Genesis platform with different sheet metal and other interior differentiation. Same engine, same transmission. Why create a stretched Genesis when you have the Equus? Sure, you could offer all the same features as the Equus on a stretched Genesis, but why?

In the case of the Lexus LS and BMW 7, these are well known high end luxury vehicles that are very pricey and come with prestige. So having a stretched version is simply an extra feature. With the Equus, Hyundai is trying to differentiate from the Genesis and attract some of those higher end buyers who wouldn't be interested in buying a vehicle that starts at $38K, as the Genesis does. Well known magazines compare the Genesis to the Audi A6, BMW 5, Lexus GS, Mercedes E, etc. They compare the Equus to the Audi A8, Lexus LS, BMW 7 and Mercedes S. Totally different audiences. i.e. It's largely about marketing.

 

[Mark_888]

First, the Genesis V8 Ultimate does NOT have air suspension. There is another discussion on this in this forum. One source erroneously claimed it does, but the Hyundai website has no mention of air suspension for the Genesis, yet it is clearly mentioned for the Equus. The Genesis does have active suspension, but that's not the same thing.

Second, my point is that the Equus essentially is a stretched Genesis with some differentiation. The Equus uses a stretched version of the Genesis platform with different sheet metal and other interior differentiation. Same engine, same transmission. Why create a stretched Genesis when you have the Equus? Sure, you could offer all the same features as the Equus on a stretched Genesis, but why?

In the case of the Lexus LS and BMW 7, these are well known high end luxury vehicles that are very pricey and come with prestige. So having a stretched version is simply an extra feature. With the Equus, Hyundai is trying to differentiate from the Genesis and attract some of those higher end buyers who wouldn't be interested in buying a vehicle that starts at $38K, as the Genesis does. Well known magazines compare the Genesis to the Audi A6, BMW 5, Lexus GS, Mercedes E, etc. They compare the Equus to the Audi A8, Lexus LS, BMW 7 and Mercedes S. Totally different audiences. i.e. It's largely about marketing.

Whether or not the Genesis Ultimate has air suspension or not is irrelevant. It is an active suspension, and as good as or better than the Equus suspension. If the 2016 Equus is a completely new car (not a stretched Genesis), then it might have a very similar suspension as the 2015 Genesis.

As to "why" Hyundai would add a Genesis 5.0L model instead of a completely new Equus, it would obviously save them a lot of money in development and manufacturing costs compared to developing a new Equus, which has very low sales volume. It is interesting to note that the 2014 Equus Signature and 2015 Genesis 5.0 Ultimate were selling at nearly the same price recently at USA dealers due to huge discounts being offered on the Equus.

However, I am not advocating what Hyundai should do. My thoughts were only predicated on the "supposed" photos of the 2016 Equus posted on this forum, that claim to show an Equus that looks exactly like a 2015 Genesis, but stretched. Either those photos were not the 2016 Equus, or else perhaps what I said may be one way to explain it.

 

[YEH]

There is a market for both (why have the S Class when MB can just offer a LWB E Class?).

The diff. will be (aside from rear passenger room), a more luxurious interior, more amenities and higher-end service.

For many buyers, would rather save the $$ and opt for a Genesis, but for others, would gladly pay to move up.

At the moment, the new Genesis makes a compelling case to opt for the 5.0 Ultimate over the Equus, but that should change a bit when the new Equus arrives (same thing when some reviews have pondered opting for the new C Class over the E Class).

 

[PMCErnie]

Auromobile Mag has pictures of a test car that is called the 2016 Equus. It looks like a stretched Genisis.

http://www.automobilemag.com/features/news/1409-next-hyundai-equus-spied/

The body shown is what is known as a "mule" in the auto industry. At the present time it's just an altered Genesis to allow testing of the under-body components. The real '16 Equus body will be covered in camouflage when it debuts, just as all new cars are in the months before the design finally is unveiled at a big auto show, like Chicago, LA, or NYC. Of course, the new Equus will also be marketed in Korea and, likely, other foreign markets before appearing in North America.

 

[Seattle Genesis]

Not sure how anybody can say this is an Equus. Looks like a Genesis to me.

 

[Rey]

I think it is logical to assume Hyundai will use the basic Genesis platform for a new Equus. Why not? I think it is likely that the next V8 Genesis (2016) will offer AWD, and so will the Equus. Again, why not?
I recall reading somewhere that Lotus Engineering (sic) had some input in the latest Genesis suspension, but there wasn't enough time to do much more than minor mods. I think one can expect a better tuned (more BMW like) suspension when with subsequent models.
Check out the comparative weights of a new V8 Genesis and an Equus (Edmunds). They are very close in weight. It is interesting that a fully loaded V8 2015 Genesis more directly competes with a 2015 Equus Signature. The price differential has shrunk.

 

[ShawShank]

http://thekoreancarblog.com/2014/12...potted-in-production-form-for-the-first-time/

Not going to be the same platform as the genesis. It looks more like a Mercedese and BMW. I can't wait. I will be trading my 2011 in. I only have 34,000 miles so I hope It will be a good trade.

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[dbrown7414]

Shawshank,

I too am very much interested in the 2016 Equus...in particular the "Ultimate".

Here is a link to what I have run across so far:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXyV3_5HR0M

As someone stated in an earlier post, it is supposed to be available in the fall however, it may or may not actually look like the one on the aforementioned link. I hope it does but, not counting on it. I am actually hoping it will come in AWD.

Hope this is helpful.

Dee

 

[imperial4ever]

^ thanks. And yuch... A stretched Genny? Step backwards.

The current generation Equus rides on a stretched "Genny" chassis. So in essence the current generation Equus is a stretched "Genny"

 

[dbrown7414]

Shawshank, All,

I too am very much interested in the 2016 Equus...in particular the "Ultimate".

Here is a link to what I have run across so far:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXyV3_5HR0M

As someone stated in an earlier post, it is supposed to be available in the fall however, it may or may not actually look like the one on the aforementioned link. I hope it does but, not counting on it. I am actually hoping it will come in AWD.

Hope this is helpful.

Dee

 

[CEFFYL]

I spoke to a factory rep at a car show, and I asked him about the possibility of the Equus having AWD. He was pessimistic. The reason, he said, was because only the Genesis V6 had AWD - the V8 Genesis did not. Therefore, he said, it would be highly unlikely that the Equus, which only comes with a V8, would have AWD. He further indicated that the reason was simply a lack of room with the larger motor. The Equus is on a stretched Genesis frame, and the fact that it is stretched would seem to open the possibility that sufficient room may be be available. Time will tell.

 

[ckon]

I spoke to a factory rep at a car show, and I asked him about the possibility of the Equus having AWD. He was pessimistic. The reason, he said, was because only the Genesis V6 had AWD - the V8 Genesis did not. Therefore, he said, it would be highly unlikely that the Equus, which only comes with a V8, would have AWD. He further indicated that the reason was simply a lack of room with the larger motor. The Equus is on a stretched Genesis frame, and the fact that it is stretched would seem to open the possibility that sufficient room may be be available. Time will tell.

That sounds like a bit of bull or ignorance since the Canadian V8 Gennys have room for AWD.

 

[YEH]

^ Ignorance, the 3G Equus will have available AWD (otherwise, Hyundai will be shooting themselves in the foot for a large part of the NA market).

The KDM may see the Equus late this year, but maybe not 'til early next year w/ the US market getting it a little later.

Here are some interior shots (no rear seats) of an early prototype.

http://thekoreancarblog.com/2015/01...ndai-equus-caught-again-with-interior-photos/


Based on the front area, looks like a nice step up.

 

[ShawShank]

I think the equus may look similar to this just by the side profile and the hood profile. They said that the Hyundai Equus was copying Chrysler 300.. hahahahahaha!! I don't think that Hyundai would stoop that low, especially with the direction they are headed.

Please compare the links and tell me what you think!!!!! I am excited!!!!!

http://www.edmunds.com/auto-shows/g...-unveiled-ahead-of-2013-geneva-auto-show.html

http://www.autoevolution.com/news/s...s-class-inspired-taillights-91938.html#agal_5

 

[ShawShank]

I need to see spy shots of the upcoming equus. Im going crazy over here. They arent giving me anything!!!! Why why why!

Can anyone assist?

 

[Sal Collaziano]

I need to see spy shots of the upcoming equus. Im going crazy over here. They arent giving me anything!!!! Why why why!

Can anyone assist?

There are no exterior spy shots of the 2017 Hyundai Equus yet. I'm guessing you've seen the interior pictures, however...

 

[YEH]

Sal, there have been a few spy shots of the exterior of the new Equus, but think SS has already seen them.

A very upright/traditional greenhouse (a bit too staid/bland for moi).

Does remind me a bit of the 300, so might be right up your alley.

As for those who have been wondering about whether the price differential is worth it, aside from more interior space, more standard kit and amneities, higher end service (at least for now), etc. - the Equus will seem to have a good bit higher level of luxury when it comes to the interior (if that kind of thing is impt. to you).