2.0t or the v6 coupe

[bluetwo]

i agree with bluetwo.

i'd much rather have a 400hp STi than a 400hp EVO.

why !?!? cuz the drivetrain in the EVO's are made out of tree bark and wet toilet paper. i want a reliable drivetrain like i currenty have in my 05 STi. it's freakin bullet proof.

you can make a ton of power, but if the tranny can't hold it then what's the point !?!?

carlos nice

Yeah? I was really excited about the ZF transmission at first but now I'm not so convinced it's as good at what it does as it's supposed to be. Obviously road tests and all that will help a lot of us decide on which options to choose.

I can't help but feel like I'm right on the turbo Track edition, a lot of that being because about the only thing I would want to change on the car would be the EMS tuning (along with some cool bolt ons).

I'd love to hear the arguments on why people might upgrade the suspension, wheels, brakes, tires and such. To me those parts are good enough for a daily driver and specifically engineered for the car unlike some upgrades.

 

[itsme4g63]

i agree with bluetwo.

i'd much rather have a 400hp STi than a 400hp EVO.

why !?!? cuz the drivetrain in the EVO's are made out of tree bark and wet toilet paper. i want a reliable drivetrain like i currenty have in my 05 STi. it's freakin bullet proof.

you can make a ton of power, but if the tranny can't hold it then what's the point !?!?

carlos nice

I find this very interesting that you say that because I drive an evo, evo9 to be exact, and my trans holds up fine, I know the sti transes are proven not to break, aside from everything else, but evo transes are not wet napkins. I see where you're comming from, i've driven plenty sti's and they do feel nice, but a evo mr 6 speed feels just as nice as that as well. But mine is a 5 speed, known for being beefier than the 6 but has a chunkier he-man gear change. Alot that would deter me from owning an sti is the fact that i would get owned by evos when running into one. Not just me saying that but i have a subaru enthusiast friend whom always tries to find a way to justify purchasing an sti but ends up on youtube seeing them getting their asrses whooped by evos. So far my evos served daily duty pretty well, so I can't complain.

 

[bkprodigy]

i agree with bluetwo.

i'd much rather have a 400hp STi than a 400hp EVO.

why !?!? cuz the drivetrain in the EVO's are made out of tree bark and wet toilet paper. i want a reliable drivetrain like i currenty have in my 05 STi. it's freakin bullet proof.

you can make a ton of power, but if the tranny can't hold it then what's the point !?!?

carlos nice

Lol, another typical Sti justification.
Tell that to countless number of guys who are still on their stock trans and tc running consistent 9's in the 1/4 and traps 140+mph. Add shep trans and tc and you can abuse the shit out of it.
I'm on my "weak" 6 speed tranny making over 500whp for over 10k miles w/o a problem.

I would rather have a bullet proof motor than a bullet proof trans.
What's the point of strong trans when the motor makes shitty power?
Last time I checked trans replacement is ALOT cheaper than motor replacement.

 

[itsme4g63]

Lol, another typical Sti justification.
Tell that to countless number of guys who are still on their stock trans and tc running consistent 9's in the 1/4 and traps 140+mph. Add shep trans and tc and you can abuse the shit out of it.
I'm on my "weak" 6 speed tranny making over 500whp for over 10k miles w/o a problem.

I would rather have a bullet proof motor than a bullet proof trans.
What's the point of strong trans when the motor makes shitty power?
Last time I checked trans replacement is ALOT cheaper than motor replacement.

True story plus I wasn't going to mention a comparison of what it takes to make 400 hp on each car based on the aforementioned but might as well put that into effect.

Hows that 4th gear syncro holdin up on your mr?

 

[bkprodigy]

True story plus I wasn't going to mention a comparison of what it takes to make 400 hp on each car based on the aforementioned but might as well put that into effect.

Hows that 4th gear syncro holdin up on your mr?

Few drag passes and lots of abuse on the street for 10k miles but its holding up fine. As long as I'm not doing hot laps around a road course, it should be fine. I wish I bought a GSR

Yea, full exhaust, fuel pump, boost controller, cams, intercooler and pipes, meth or e85 is all it takes for evo to make around 420whp/450wtq.
People usually compare evo/sti in the same line but those who know the real potential know they're not exactly in the same league.
Hell, it makes 800+whp on T3 framed turbo. enough said.

 

[Mark_888]

I thought I remember someone at Hyundai saying that the V8 Tau will not fit in the Coupe, so no V8 is likely.

 

[bluetwo]

I think there's a couple of reasons why no V8 is likely. That said I give it a year before some pro tuning company decides to stuff a V8 out of a sedan in there just to show us it can be done.

Here's an interesting tidbit about the 2.0 "Theta engine" on Wikipedia.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyundai_Theta_engine ....I'm not sure how much of it I believe at this point, not that any specific part is wrong. I'm just still convinced the turbo engine in the Genesis will be incredible compared to many other engines out there.

Here's the Genesis coupe itself... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyundai_Genesis_Coupe#2.0T_Track .... and I'm sure it's a typo when it says "Note: Manual transmission not available with 2.0T Track" as the Hyundai site itself shows the 2.0 Track as only having the 6MT.

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[bkprodigy]

^
We're gonna have to wait and see how the internals hold up to more power. EvoX's stock internals good to about 450whp-500whp. I'm willing to place my bet that GC's power threshold will be much lower with cast internals.

 

[itsme4g63]

^
We're gonna have to wait and see how the internals hold up to more power. EvoX's stock internals good to about 450whp-500whp. I'm willing to place my bet that GC's power threshold will be much lower with cast internals.

afiturbo is actually make like 530 whp on stock moda evo 10

 

[bkprodigy]

people make over 600whp on stock 4g63 but that doesn't mean its safe.
Majority of tuners more of less agree 450-500whp is about where you want in stock block.

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[itsme4g63]

people make over 600whp on stock 4g63 but that doesn't mean its safe.
Majority of tuners more of less agree 450-500whp is about where you want in stock block.

Yeah, I know, I was just saying, the motor can do it, funny cause they are using a fully stock motor, not even cams or anything, they left the internals stock.

 

[bkprodigy]

^ we'll know for sure once we look at internals of the GC 2.0Lt. But I highly doubt it'll safely make 500whp like evo.

 

[bluetwo]

Even if the "theta" falls short of the Evo's 4B11T in terms of the boost it can hold or the revs it can sustain, isn't it still something so many have been dreaming of? A very similar turbo engine in a rear drive car that actually has a lot of potential.

I mean I can already see Genesis coupes tearing it up at Road Atlanta or the Street of Long Beach in whatever crazy drift car configuration whatever race team decides to go with. Lots of speculation here... I know. The point is people have gone to crazy lengths to make Evo's into drift cars and now, here we go! A RWD car that can seriously compete at a really reasonable price.

I love the Track editions and you'll probably see me posting about them for the forseeable future.

 

[bkprodigy]

We're just saying that in STOCK configuration, gen-coupe won't be coming close to EvoX. But you start building the block, iron sleeving etc, this will be a VERY potent machine.

 

[kortERHorse_281]

i never said the EVO wasn't faster.

i said the EVO has a weaker tranny, and that'ds a fact. you're "may be fine" but if you compare trannies the STi will always be on top.

i got 61K miles on my 05 Sti and it shifts like butter. been making 150hp over stock for 18 months now and have ran it hard ever weekend for a good month.

i can provide countless youtube videos if you want me to prove anything to you.



carlos nice

 

[bkprodigy]

i never said the EVO wasn't faster.

i said the EVO has a weaker tranny, and that'ds a fact. you're "may be fine" but if you compare trannies the STi will always be on top.

i got 61K miles on my 05 Sti and it shifts like butter. been making 150hp over stock for 18 months now and have ran it hard ever weekend for a good month.

i can provide countless youtube videos if you want me to prove anything to you.



carlos nice

Toilet paper and tree bark when these 5-speed trannies hold 600whp doing consistent 9sec, 10sec runs at 135+mph huh.

I will say this one more time. I will take the motor that makes power anyday than a car with weak motor and strong tranny.

Tranny replacement(if its even needed) is by FAR cheaper than motor rebuild.

most youtube videos are made by idiots. It is PROVEN over time and time again that mod for mod Evo is on top of Sti.

Let me put it this way,

People buy supra because of 2jz
People buy R3x because of rb26dett
People buy evo because of 4g63
So I guess people buy Sti because of strong tranny? lol

 

[basic]

wow turned into an evo vs sti thread lol the gc isnt even awd lol.

usually just read but had to chime in. the gc 2.0t from pics i saw had forged internals and they had them compared to 4b11t and (looked) beefier only time will tell. it has smaller turbo an probably less aggressive cams it says it runs on regular gas 87? and gets better mileage so i would guess its just detuned.

EVO vs STI
had 02 wrx (my baby) first car really modded sold and got an 04 sti cause loved my wrx funny thing was completely stock 4th gear syncro went up 2 weeks old silver sti silver wheels matt slapp Subaru in de if you want to call and check. they took the car back and i went across the street and got an 03 evo viii and no trouble to this day.
maybe so many sti trannys hold up because they are just making less power on average so its easier on the trans. on the other side i have seen a few evo blow diffs redline launching at the strip.

looking at getting an evox 2010 if they come out soon enough or a good deal on 08 and get my wife a gc 2.0t. she gets the cars i like but dont want to admit lol why she has nsrt-4 lol may be a neon but its a damn fun car.

 

[bluetwo]

Not your main point... BUT! Both cars are able to run on either regular or high octane, depending on your needs at the time. I know I'd love to be able to just run on 87 whenever I need to go X number of miles and don't need maximum performance but if I wanted to run it at the track or for a mountain "cruise" 93 octane would be the weapon of choice. From everything I've seen horsepower is affected but the torque stays the same?..... interesting tidbit there.

My quest is to find out how they pulled this off. Does the engine just sense a potential for trouble when you go from high octane to low, then adjust timing and fuel accordingly? Or is it something else? Would the fuel maps be different? Maybe I'm making it more complicated than it really is.....

 

[bkprodigy]

Does the engine just sense a potential for trouble when you go from high octane to low, then adjust timing and fuel accordingly? .

That's it.
that's how bmw turbo motors are programmed.

 

[mkaresh]

From everything I've seen horsepower is affected but the torque stays the same?..... interesting tidbit there.

HP=TQ*RPM/5252

So HP can't be affected unless torque is affected.

However, it is possible (though unlikely in my mind) that torque is only affected at higher rpm. In this case, both torque and horsepower would be unaffected around the torque peak.